The Fourth Reich of “Israel”

you forgot the terrible gezeira of preventing chassidim flying to see their rebbe z’tl.

SQUARE_ROOT:
Over the past 50 years, the wicked Zionists have kept pushing to violate their agreement that David Green SR”Y himself made with Agudah that the wicked Zionists would not draft the Torah Jews there. No compromise is possible, of course, when dealing with a shmad army run by the shmad Zionists.

Those facts don’t fit into your Zionist narrative.

What Agudah should do, if their lay leadership weren’t mentally drugged by Zionism, is to announce that since the Zionists have now broken their agreement, it is now time to inform the world leaders of the truth that the Zionists do not (and never did) represent the Jews and that Zionism is the polar opposite of Judaism and that the Zionist “State” is of course not Jewish but in fact the opposite, and that Agudah’s only care regarding the Zionist paradise is the safety and well-being of Jews there and everywhere. And Agudah was originally created specifically to fight Zionism.

More facts that don’t fit the popular narrative.

Over the past 50 years, the leftist self-appointed SC and the evil AG have completely rejected
every compromise solution to the Israeli Draft Crisis.

Somehow that fact is NEVER MENTIONED
by radical Zionist fanatics like Square.

That fact does not fit into his narrative,
so he conveniently forgets about it.
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We should thank ujm for all his quotes proving that we are not in any atchalta degeoula , rather

in a galut as a despised minority within a big and powerful majority of secularists.

as the gra z’l stated that after the galuyot under the 4 malhuyot , there will be

another a fifth galut under the erev rav within the jewish people.

which has come to pass in our days

the redifot that yeshiva bachurim and kolel men have to endure are no joking matter .

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@square

I cannot see why ujm is any more of a rasha than

someone who is clearly motsi shem ra – or even says lashon hara- about

hundreds of thousands of innocent and sincere individuals ….
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for the benefit of the readers –

I will correctly rephrase somejews previous post …

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a person like @ujm who quotes the many many quotes from chazal that mention that there will be a time that Jews will suffer under a kingdom of the “erev rav”.

Many many quotes from chazal that express this “erev rav” as being direct partners with the S”M and Amulek.

And now, with the rise of this non antisemitic stated called “Israel”,

a state that has tried to defend itself from so much death ,
a state based on the same ideology that has not brought us the Holocaust ,
a state that continues to send Jewish boys off to die in order to preserve the lives of its civilians ,

you can find many many many rabunim and gedolim who say explicitly that the power the evil secularists within the state called “Israel” are wielding , is exactly that malchis of “erev rav” that chazal mentioned.

Why do you call a person who reiterates those Torah teachings as a “Rasha Gamur”(sic)?
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Arrested at 230am sleeping “without counsel”.

This reminds of a Polishe Ruv whose congregation came to him at night with a shailah and found him sleeping. They fired him next day, saying that they were expecting him to be learning at night. He moved to Amerika and made sure he learns every night. Once, congregants came to him for an emergency at night and saw him in learning. They fired him the next day – they expected him to know everything but turns out he was still learning.

So, this bochur claims he is a ben Torah and they found him sleeping at Bas Yam?!

I also like scary quotes about “disciplinary hearing” and “crime”, as if they are not real enough.

@AAQ

its a mitsva for a ben torah to be asleep at 3 am

he needs to concentrate the next day

cf. turei zahav EH 23.

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@AAQ

thanks for the correction about the mareh makom of the turei zahav

my memory is not exact enough

there is no difference between a ben torah and talmid chacham , however ,

the principle of turei zahav stands regardless
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Fascists! Even the russian czar never took away any subsidies from Jews who learned Torah! I don’t think he even knew the word “subsidy”.

The government take subsidies away from people who do not recognize the power of this government and who are ready for mesiros nefesh – but maybe not loss of subsidies.

yankel> there is no difference between a ben torah and talmid chacham , however ,

by a typical gemora, it seems that: ben Torah is someone who reliably knows regular daily halachos. In osme cases, he may NOT need additional chumros that will keep amei haaretz from mixing up permitted from forbidden. Talmid Chacham is someone who can reliably answer shailos on the maseches he is studying. Chacham is someone can answer sheilos on any topic. So, T’Ch is a step over ben Torah.

But to the topic: did I understand the reference correctly? It seems to be saying that this is what some do, not a strict requirement? And there is a maase that seem to contradict: young Tsfas Emes was learning late at night and not fresh in the morning. His grandfather, Chidushei Harim, gave him some mussar. Hevrusah wondered why Tsfas Emes did not explain that he was learning. He answered: and what – miss an opportunity to get mussar from my grandfather!? The implication here is that learning at night is a good excuse.

NP, right, the point here seems to be that these obligations contradict each other sometimes

NP, you seem to presume that the way of Ben Torah is different from obligation of eery Yid rather than adds to that.

I just a hint of this debate at the end of Tannis. Discussing Tu b’Av, gemorah mentions that one should increase night learning hours after Tu b’Av, otherwise his mother will bury him. This seems to hint that night hours are special and different from day, but it should be increased only when the night is long! So, it seems gemorah is saying you can be smart and adapt to the calendar and get enough of night learning (that is very important) without ruining your health. I wonder whether commentaries connect this gemorah to rambam.