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Boruch Shem Kivod Malchuso Lolom Vaed (Kol Nidre)
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I’m with TMB here (for a change!)
I wana work till I expire…..
It makes for good debate
Yes, I did!
If thats the case, I applaud you.
However washing the rest of us down because we are not so opposed
to the idea doesnt make the teshuva better.
EDITED
Aries,
Good point!!
TMB, you seem to know quite a bit about what commercials have to offer…
Ther is a expression i yiddish ‘oif der ganiv brent dus hittel’
Well, allow me to simplify this with another story that happened to a close friend of mine.
Her son was ready for a shidduch and they red her something very suitable. The problem was, that the girl’s father had the same name as her son.
They wanted to ask their regular Rav who happend to have been in the hospital at the time and was not avaialble due to an illness. So they asked soemone else who said its ok, but they must ask 2 other Rabbonim (yochid bzerabim, halacha kirabim). The other 2 approved it as well. The shidduch was made.
After their regumar Rav was released from the hospital,they found out that HE is VERY MAKPID NOT TO TAKE THE SAME NAME.
Had he not been ill as the time, they would have asked him and not gone through with the shidduch because he would have opposed it.
One might ask, had they waited for him to be released from the hospital (it wasnt a serious illnes) they might have found something more suitable.
THIS WAS HIS ZIVUG. Hakodosh B’ Hu rules the world!!
Well if you believe in bashert, then obviously the one she married was her zivug,
Popa,
The point was that she indeed liked the boy her parents wanted her to marry, otherwise she wouldnt have. So the parents and the daughter were both pleased. She is happily married until today.
The storyy comes across as you say, domineering. But obviously the results were postive.
Sometimes in life, you gotta go through difficulties to get there….
I know a case where a girl was going out with a boy who her parents were against. The girl INSISTED that she wanted to marry him, so the father made a deal with her.
He told her to give it a year. If he is still available in a years time, she could marry him with her father’s blessing. BUT, in that year, she has to go out with any other shidduch that comes up which her parents agree to. She did, and got engaged to another boy!!
‘I wouldn’t want his problems.’
Wolf,
along with his problems, come all his zechusim.
Shticky,
HAD SHE NOT KNOCKED ON THE DOOR…….she would have still come i contact with him some other way. He was obviously her zivug;)))
Refuah Shelaimo Aries:))
I thought I would combine the two:)))
I know a case of a boy who went out with a girl, it didnt work out so he suggested her to a friend. They went out, got engaged, had a stunning wedding……..unfortunatley, 3 monthes later, the marriage took a nose dive. They divorced. OUCH!!!!!!
I dream for an abundance of Mazel for all of us!!
They say that TOO MUCH of anything is no good. With the exception of Mazel…too much Mazel should be great!!
‘We miss your thoughful posts’
Is she leaving the CR?
1.Hearing someone scratch a blackboard.
2.An insult
3.Going after a shidduch and not getting a response
4.slipping on ice and ALMOST falling
5.a bad dream
6.losing money
7.missing out on a metziah
8.the phone ringing on Shabbos
9.Regreting something I have said
10.My cleaning lady cancelling on me Erev Pesach
Well , my job involves telemarketing.
You’d be surprised how many people politley decline and even thank me for calling and thinking of them.
Be kind whatever you do. They are just doing their job.
sorry, I have a good laugh when TMB debates me!
A duaghter is a duaghter all your life. A son is a son till he finds a wife.
Pleaser refer to my previous post…
Feif Un,
YOur story reminds me so much of how typical it is when it comes to shidduchim and there is a problem with a boy
. The MIL refrains from giving that info, doesnt give it to the shadchan either.
If her daughter were to be privy to such info she would NEVER withhold it.The DIL’s happiness is apparantly not so important.
TMB,
I applaud YOU for remaining silent with regard to the last portion of my post.
‘Shtikoh Kehodoah’
TMB,
Well believe this- you have a very distorted notion of how I keep myself busy.
But I am a very good judge of charachter , and frankly……..
Btw, there was a poster here long ago who used the screen name Joseph. You two have a lot in common. I’m wondering if you ARE him!
Trying My best,
I am POSITIVE that you dont know whether or not I have a tv
Poster,
I have no problem admitting my dress size or my weight, lol!
That doesnt prompt anyone’s biases…..
Do I have at TV?
I wish to assert my 5th ammendment privelege, lol! ( you dont have to take that as a ‘yes’or a ‘no’)
Truthfully speaking, I dont think it should make a difference to anyone . Especailly if they have internet;))..
‘It is a simple Yes or No, so that we get a feel when we have other discussions of who we are talking to.’
Can you please elaborate on that? What do you mean ‘we know who we are talking to’???
Sounds pretty condescending to me, not to mention quite disingenuous coming from somoen who has internet,!!
Feif Un,
Powerful stuff!
‘A daughter is a daughter all your life. A son is a son till he finds a wife’
I also recall hearing that a sister in law is also Posil Eidus,
Smartcookie,
Your right it is brought down.
In fact, I stand to be corrected but I once heard that if a MIL tells her DIL that her husband was killed in battle, she shoudnt believe her. Written somewhere.
Can someone either confirm or deny? Think thats what I once heard someone say…
‘To be honest, I hesitated responding to your posts since it’s clear no matter what is said you will believe in the couple’s guilt’
The question isnt if they are innocent or guilty. Was it suitable for them to take this out?
Flowers,
You didnt respond to my last post about how G ridiculed the people at the laundromant in public. Eh, I suppose since she doesnt know them personally, its ok to do that, correct?????
Why should you be frustrated?
Well obviously because most people believe this story stinks.
You say;
‘At least the video by Georgie gives most intelligent people reason to doubt the guilt of the couple. And in a great many peoples mind, it exonerates the couple ‘
It gives many people the reason to think its a smokescreen. Thats the problem!
Flowers, there are so many stories of how people made Kiddushei Hashem you can be proud of! Take the recent incident in Williamsburg with Shomrim for example.
Why don’t you highlight those, insread of chewing over something that hurts.
It’s very possible that Heide is an eidel woman. She made a major faux pas, along with her husband for bringing this out in public instead of trying to settle it in a private court.
Trying my best,
Is there not a diffenrece between a Jewish man’s interaction with a married Jewish woman thant with a Non Jewish woman?
I mean in the times of the Sanhedrin, a man who took a Jewish married woman was dealt with more harshly (death) than if he took a non Jewish woman.
What about with an opposite gender Jew, ? Less wrong, more wrong, equal, what?
Are these halochos equally applicable to non Jewish collegues as to Jewish?
If you live in occupied territory, then by all means.
If you live in Chuts La aretz and you need one for business, I sure hope your a police officer. Otherwise, please seek out another profession, lol!
Eclipse,
I once heard it at a shiur given by Atara Malach, years ago!
That famous saying that if e were all to put our ‘pecklech’ on the streeet, everyone woud take back their own.
Its like when you arrive at an airport and you get to the carousel.
You want your OWN suitcase and no one elses. EVENTOUGH there is a chance that somoene elses may have more valuables than yours.
Oh, and Flowers?
I suppose when G alluded to those who work at the laundromat in jest as ‘very clever people’, was a major KIDDUSH HASHEM AS WELL!!!
I mean here you have a poor hardworking family who I DO believe are responsible to compensate for whatever the wig is worth (3 k apparantly was excessive), and she has to get fecicious in front of the camera, making us look a lot more arrogant and elite than the general public.
‘And if it was me speaking even about just the weather, knowing I was on camera, I would have fumbled. ‘
Then fumble all you want in front of the camera if you want to TALK ABOUT THE WEATHER! Stay away from it though ,when someone elses reputation is at stake!!!
‘So what? Who says she wasn’t still in France whenever this court case happened? and how do you know when the case happened?’
The case was taped in November according to the original article, and aired in early December.
‘So what? One can go to Gerogies also to have the wig washed and set. She’s wearing a wig for ten years. How do you know she hasn’t been going to her for 10 years?’
G claimed that she saw the ruined wig. Why didnt Heidie mention that fact in her testimony when she was aksed if she brought the sheitel to a professional? She would have strengthened her claim had she brought G into the picture as someone who saw it after the damage was done.
This interview made it ten times worst,<<
‘I dont think so. I think it makes it ten times better. At least puts a doubt in a persons mind, that perhaps Heidi isn’t guilty at all.’
Unfortunatley though, THE INTERVIEW was not consistent with Heid’s testimony. Heid’s testimony also clashed with her response to youtube.
”No, it is NOT. And what do you think you’re doing, Ms High and Mighty? Do you think your posts on a web site about how guilty she definately is is a kiddush Hashem? In fact, YOU are making this chillul Hashem a whole lot worse.’
You sound very frustrated! YOu should be. But I always thought that if the story died down, rather than allowing for more scrutiny, we would all be better off!
‘And your questions are not logical. You are looking for holes to make heidi look guilty. And I’m sure you can find a 100 more questions to “prove” her guilt. ‘
I dont have an axe to grind here! I dont even know these two people. Actually I found it very eidel how they just walked out of the courtroom , quietly, without expressing any remorse even to the moderator about their feeling s.
Finally, LEV SORIM UMALOCHIM BEYAD HASHEM.
If there is justice to be served, you can rely on the Almighty to see to it.
Until then, use your energy to help them clear the air so that they can convince ALL of us that they were innocent.
‘Sidestep shmidestep, either the wig was a $3,000 Georgie custom or it wasnt’
Actually, when G was asked how much the sheitel costed, she started to make cheshbonos, ‘with highlighting, cutting etc, aoubt 3 k’
If there was a receipt, the answer should have been an undisputed, qualified, 3000 dollars.
What about Shloime Daskal?
J,
If G already took the decision to talk , she had no choice but to make the best of it. As she continued to say during the interview, ‘We have to stand by eachother and help one another ‘(gosh, I hope not too many people read between the lines there)
One MUST DAN LECAFF ZECHUS AT ALL TIMES. However, we cannot be naive either.
They said they wanted to sue.. When that happens, and they succeed, my opinion might change.
Until then my friend, don’t fault my attitude for making logical observations which most people in the frum community seem to agree with.
If I were you, I would use that vigor and stamina to perhaps befriend H and M. You might be able to give them some guidance and encourage them to get back on track, so that they can reabilitate their reputation.
jose,
I challenge to identify yourself as well!
You dont know me, so you have no knowledge on whether or not I have a Ch’Kashrus.
One thing is sure,if you think its a mitzvah to turn a bad situation into something worst, instead of letting the story die down, your sadly mistaken.
There is no way G is going to go public and condemn these people, and I applaud her for that. However, to give the impression that we yidden always have to cover up anything sisnister that emerges from one of our own, is a bigger Chillul Hashem than the actual crime.
I suggest you watch the interview again. If you still feel comfortable about it, I suggest its something you should seriously think about!
OOMIS,
I saw that same interview and sad to say, it seemd like a sloppy cover up. She fumbled so many times, I’m surpirsed she was courageous enough to speak out.
1.
She was in France according to her on Succos. This happened in November.
2.H had nothin g to wear so she had to make a rush sheitel. what happened to the fall??
3. ‘H eide is my favorite customer’ ugh, pleassssse. She only bought one sheitel there!!!
This interview made it ten times worst, and YES it is OUR business if our fellow Jews create such a ruckus on national televesion which can seriously harm our relationship with the outside wordld!!
Greatttttttttttt place!!!!
lovely warm heimish community with sooo much hachnosas orchim.
Great bakeries, pizzas, restaraunts, site seeing.
Just bring warm clothing!
The fraud is how much sheitel machers are chargin!
There was a wig maker from Israel who once came to a town and said she will PROVE that sheitels shouldnt cost so much. She was selling
them for about 1200 dollars inlcuding the cut.
For those of you who think that woman have to look less attractive after they are married, please please please rid yourselves of that pathetic thought.
One can argue that maybe long and attention seeking hair pieces might be less tzniusdik, but then that goes for clothes as well.
Al Pi Din her hair is covered the way it shoudl be.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe was very makpid that his women should look good. He had nothing against red nail polish and custom made sheitels( in fact he knew about that contreversy a few years ago with the Indian hair and didnt accept it as a problem, neither did the Satmar dayan from Antwerp)
The halacha states that a woman has to cover her hair because it is considered ervah. We see that when the Kohen had to pull off the covering of a woman who was a proven to be unfaithful to her husba,nd.
‘Of course Sheitlech that look like hair are Assur. It’s not what I feel. It’s HALACHA. “
Totally false. Please bring a mekor for that.
Eclipse
‘The point is no other nation is as willing to go all out for each other as ‘
Why do you say that?????
Look many Non Jewish organizations are there out there which are devoted to help others, including JEWS as well?
How many Goyim risked their lives during the war to hide Jews and feed them. Come on, lets not overlook that…