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Do I detect a kinder and gentler Joseph? It almost sounds like you’re agreeing b’dieved. Is that correct?
areivimzehlazeh- I think the gartel m’huder minhag was started by the dealers who couldn’t get anyone to buy them.
Speak up Joseph, I can’t hear you with your head in the sand.
I have heard that the esrog growers send their better esrogim to America because that’s where the money is. And the wholesalers send their Brooklyn rejects to out-of town shuls and Judaica stores because the money is in New York and out-of town don’t have the discriminating mind set.
bein_hasdorim – You can find Yanover with a pitim.
feivel – How do you get a glatt esrog and very bumpy at the same time; it’s a s’tira?
However, my beautiful esrog is grown in Eretz Yisroel and is: pale green; thick sturdy pitim; with ridges running from top to bottom and not bumpy like cellulite, totally clean- not even the tiniest dots anywhere of any color; with perfect gidul – pitim pointing straight up and aligned with stem which is pointing straight down; with stem area indented; not elongated or roundish; without a “gartel”; without bletflekin; with a top hechsher.
This type of esrog would sell for quite a lot more from the esrog dealers since you have to take into account rent and vastly higher profit expectations.
modernorthodox- with all due respect to you, we may have some overlapping views on some issues, but don’t assume anything about my beliefs.
Joseph, there are minhagim that certain g’dolim have abandoned because its original intention had become compromised. That is what Feif Un is advocating, as you well know.
What happens if you don’t have all the proper kavanos you mentioned; does it still count?
With money, the poor person can go out and buy his own chicken (with a CRC hechsher) for his starving family; that’s the only kavana needed when doing kaparos with cash.
bein_hasdorim – can u name a few inyanim al pi kabalah why kaparos with a chicken is an ancient holy minhag?
By the way, in all my years in yeshiva (Rosh Yeshiva, one of the gadolei hador, from Slabodka), chickens were never used for kaparos.
Joseph: How many poskim and g’dolim can you list that did not hold of the custom?
It is my pleasure to tell everyone that you are wrong.
Joseph- “cherrybim: Is there any reason not to?”
No Joseph, from his photo, Benzion Miller looks like a trustworthy frum individual and has that innocent appearance about him. And he wasn’t caught doing anything wrong, that I’m aware of. So I say, at least for now, give him the benefit. Maybe, at worst, he was duped.
Artchill: As we know, an arrest warrant is not a conviction; but at least he’s in Israel where he will be given a fair trial.
What about the bochur Benzion Miller who bought the airline tickets for the three bochurim; shouldn’t we give him the benefit of doubt? Today’s YWNews indicates that as yet, no evidence against Miller has been presented to the court.
Poshite Yid 613- Did you read Jothar’s post on this page?
Also, there’s no one checking the chalaf that it’s smooth every few minutes; no one checking the chickens for kashrus (soaking,salting,rinsing,etc.), and no one checking to see if there’s something wrong with the chicken that would render it a treifa.
You would not buy this chicken for yourself under these conditions.
If you insist on using a chicken; use a frozen one with a good hechsher.
Since $millions have been spent already and all the aitzos and interventions from the experts have not worked; in addition to t’filos, how about a massive letter writing campaign to the government of Japan showing heartfelt contrition and pleading for mercy for the three fellows who were apprehended with drugs in Japan. Rather than teirutzim, this is probably what the Japanese want.
Poshite Yid 613- “who said they’re treif or more treif than any other chickens? And please explain what you mean by tzaar baalei chaim, more than any other shechting event.”
It’s all been explained in the posts.
You can’t expect people not to react to the blaring sirens and flashing lights tumult on their block.
Bemused- ” …”boys” has condescending connotations…”
What about cops for police; is that ok?
YW Moderator-72: It just occurred to me; are you a Hatzola guy?
no. Just a beneficiary of their services
Nice try. And this is not to put Hatzola down but there’s a little bit of bravado in the click; it goes with the territory: Cops have it; firefighters have it; and the boys of Hatzola have it too. And as for the Hatzola guys, the more lights the better.
Question: Could not Hashem have created a universe that was billions of years old?
Where do tomato bugs come from? Where are the tomato bug eggs before the tomato seeds are planted and the plant is grown?
Where do maggots that come out of dead bodies come from? One theory is that flies lay their eggs on the body and produce the maggots. Or, do they produce on their own in a dead body?
She’s been missing for a week and no reports out of the Toronto Jewish community, so A600KiloBear is correct; still sad story.
Without real t’shuva, tashlich and kaparos are meaningless.
I do it at about 8AM, when I come back from shul no one notices an odar.
WolfishMusings- “I am so happy that I daven in a shul where people don’t talk during davening.”
Sorry, I didn’t notice this post of yours before.
But, in my shul, a “regular” would not talk during davening and a “guest” would be tolerated for as long as possible.
Are fish to the “Yaish Oimrim”, l’chadchila or b’dieved?
Also, why were chickens used; because they were readily available and relatively inexpensive?
In Europe, where most people were poor, the kapara chicken was usually eaten by the family that shlugged it. Maybe this was a way of insuring that everyone ate wholesome food at the erev Yom Kippur seuda.
WolfishMusings – Why just at K’rias Hatorah? There should be no talking during davening, period.
Feif Un – I couldn’t agree more; Chillel Hashem and scandal (especially for a minhag that can be done in other ways) overrides any other consideration.
I spray Raid on the sukkah walls where the schach ends rest and around any openings before going to shul in the morning; seems to work.
Why not ask feivel; he’s an ophthalmologist.
I can tell you what not to do.
Don’t ask this most complicated and important question on the internet and expect a one opinion answer.
Rather, go to your Rav or to a respected Rav that you trust and ask him for advice on what to do.
There are opinions that you can pour boiling water on the formica after it’s scrubbed with cleanser and waited 24 hours and there are opinions that you need to keep it covered since you can’t kasher it.
Indeed Mod, “Save Soviet Jewry” was also Mary’s motto while fighting for oppressed Yidden in Russia and elsewhere.
Joseph, you didn’t disappoint me.
Modernorthodox- Thank you, but you’re new at this; wait for the displeasure to spring forth.
Mary Travers passed away yesterday at age 72. Mary succumbed to the side effects of chemotherapy treatments.
Mary Travers, was the female vocal with the folk trio of Peter, Paul and Mary (Puff the Magic Dragon). While Mary Travers was not Jewish and politically liberal, she fought hard for years throughout the 1980’s for Soviet refusniks, meeting with them in Russia and advocating the cause of Soviet Jewry via concerts and other means.
In addition, it’s interesting to note, and while the young frum ones of today will find it hard to believe, I know personally of at least one Gadol in the 1960’s that permitted his family to listen to Peter, Paul and Mary records.
squeak: great story…still laughing…
Sorry, I got the wrong impression about the money aspect from your post.
You are a wonderful daughter but if you haven’t been able to change your mother’s mind set by now, you probably never will.
So play the game and make the best of it; and continue to make her happy.
Cest la vie: What is so terrible about wearing designer cloths when you see your mother, if that is what’s going to make her happy? It’s not about you.
Kibud Av V’eim is one of the most important and difficult mitzvos to attain. Be thrilled that you are able to be m’kayem it in a relatively simple way.
Take advantage while you can and make your mother happy.
PM, it’s ok for someone to say they were mistaken.
A torch is not the ideal method in anyone’s book.
If you want to drei, go ahead and drei.
Make havdalla on a torch; just be careful that you don’t burn the building down. Oh, and remember to l’chadchila put two torches together (please do it outside and on lag b’omer).
gavra_at_work: Had I seen your post; I would have saved myself some research time.
$50,000 in 1992 is $76,225.53 in 2009 and would have been in the $5,000-$6,000 range in the 1920’s-1930’s.
$500 in 1920’s-1930’s would have translated to about $3,500-$5,000 in 1992.
Still a great story with a lot to learn; but needs updating.
Joseph, when Rav Dov Eliach heard the story of Reb Yeruchem from HaRav Kreiser ZT’L in the botei medrash of the Lakewood Yeshiva, 17 years ago; how much was the dowry up to? Was it $50,000 in today’s dollars or in 1992 dollars?