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Latke sandwiches? Not with latkes as the filling, but in place of the bread. Tonight we served both pastrami and corned beef sandwiches with the meat between thin potato latkes. A side of both cole slaw and applesauce was on the plate and sour pickles
@laskern
Understand is from the Old English ‘understandan’
Old English understandan “comprehend, grasp the idea of,” probably literally “stand in the midst of,” from under + standan “to stand” (see stand (v.)). If this is the meaning, the under is not the usual word meaning “beneath,” but from Old English under, from PIE *nter- “between, among” (source also of Sanskrit antar “among, between,” Latin inter “between, among,” Greek entera “intestines;” see inter-). Related: Understood; understanding.
It is one of the 60% of English words not having Germanic origin, thus the lack of a match with the German verstehenSO, if sitting under or standing over or amongst the latkes I prefer them with applesauce
@laskern
I have heard that story
I was exempt from taking a foreign language in college because of my scores on both the Hebrew and Latin Achievement tests.
My father Z”L was a linguist by hobby. He read, wrote and spoke 18 languages. My mother A”L was a Classics major who only had fluency in 12 languages (very unusual for 4th generation Americans.
The children in my family were not permitted to take modern languages in school, we had to take classics: Hebrew, Latin, Ancient Greek. Parents felt with that background we could pick up modern languages by ear. I’m quite good at most Romance languages and Germanic tongues. Right now I’m struggling to learn Mandarin Chinese@laksern
Thanks, I did not need a translation. Although my maternal side arrived in NY from Bavaria in 1868, each generation has been taught to read, write and speak German, albeit High German.My post was to show that Jews in different countries had different names for the same food. Yiddish was not an universal language
My OMA said: Kartoffelpfannkuchen
My Bubbe said: Latkes
I said….more please@NevilleChaimBerlin
#1 The fireworks drive our dogs crazy
#2 Many fires are started by these illegal fireworks
#3 I have no problem with legal fireworks and permitted displays
#4 Joe Lieberman continually moved to the right and is far from a liberal at this time. I personally have known him for more than 50 years and worked in his first campaign in 1970 (a Democratic primary for State Senate in my hometown of New Haven) 4 young Yale Law student worked on that campaign and I got to know them well: Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham.#5 the left wing fringe should not be called Liberals, in most cases they are either socialists or radicals and that is quite a different philosophy
@NevilleChaimBerlin
Actually there are many laws I’d like made more strict and/or enforced.
I’d like strong noise ordinances in my town.
I’d like the police to stop those setting off illegal fireworks in the summer.
Until legalized, I’d like drug laws enforced. I don’t approve of decriminalization of marijuana. Either make it legal or enforce the laws that are on the books.
I don’t want 16-20 year olds tried as juveniles
DUI should mean fines, loss of license and jail time.
The list goes on……………..
My Liberalism has to do with free choice, equal rights applied to all groups, not just some.I want strict gun control with compulsory education before granting a license, not banning ownership of all guns.
@AviK
You will find that most suburbs or rural towns with minimum acreage zoning that precludes building ‘affordable housing’ have these requirement because they have septic systems, or cesspools and wells…not city water and sanitary sewers. Thus the limitation on density of housing.
I live in a neighborhood with 1/2 acre minimum lots (mine is about 4+ acres). We have sewers and city water. I paid off a 40K assessment for those sewers over 19 years. On my block (quite long) you can buy a 4BR 2 BA house built a in 1954 for $289K (listed yesterday), a 3, BR3BA w/pool remodeled this fall for $505K or a 7BR, 6BA McMansion for $975K.
1/4 mile up the street there are no sewers or city water. Minimum acreage for a legal lot is 2.5 acres and houses start at $625K.
The south end of town is about to get sewers this coming spring and acreage requirements will drop to 1/2 acre. Lots of houses built in the 60s and 70s (raised ranches) available for approx $300K) on 1 acre lots.
Cheaper to buy a 300K 3BR Raised Ranch then rent a 2 BR apt in town ($2400 average).
There are proposals before Planning and Zoning for three apartment developments of 200 units each. Town ordinance requires 15% minimum be ‘affordable housing’
BTW, this is a traditional Republican town and they control P&Z and BOE. The Town Council has a one vote Dem majority after 8 years of Republican dominance@NevilleChaimBerlin
“People on any religious-right are going to like rules and discipline. People on the political left don’t.”I am on the political left and I love Rules and Discipline, after all I’m an Attorney at Law.
I just spent 4 months chairing the revision of my Democratic Town Committee’s Rules.
I believe in the rule of law and adherence to the law, I believe that bad laws should be changed by working through the system, not by overthrowing the system. I know many members of the political left who have those same attitudes.There are extreme fringes on the left and right who advocate force and anarchy for social change. The key word is extreme. Please don’t paint the left with such a broad brush.
BTW>>>>I live in Fairfield County, CT where 150K is an ordinary income and loads of people earning many times that supported Sanders. Many wealthy people believe in sharing wealth and paying a fair share of the burden to care for the old, ill and impoverished in this country.
@Lightbrite
Remember, potatoes were introduced to Europe after exploration and colonization of the ‘New World’ in the 1500s. Prior to that they would have been made from other ingredients.Mrs. CTL makes cottage cheese latkes, but they are served breakfast time….with applesauce
The US Flag will fly at half-staff at my home and office.
My interaction with the Federal Government may be curtailed this week. Traditionally there has been a three day shutdown of non-essential Federal services upon the death of a former President. Will Trump order this? Your guess is as good as mine,We are an applesauce family……………………………
Potato Latkes are served at suppertime in the CTL household, which mean they accompany a meat meal. Tonight they will accompany brisket…………tomorrow spicy chicken wings
I don’t remember ever serving a dairy supper during Chanukah in 45 years of marriage
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Mrs. CTL is the only family member who eats sour cream at any time, and is far more likely to eat it with berries than potatoes.@Curiosity
#1 I was not and am not debating anyone. I posted an opinion
#2 I don’t take kindly to being misquoted. Your use of the quotation marks falsely attributed a statement to me that I never made. That is not harping on a technicality, you posted a lie.
#3 I don’t rely on luck in the courtroom (and I don’t practice criminal law where defense attorneys look look to exclude evidence not legally obtained), and in Appellate Court there are no juries, just a multi-judge panel.
I won the case in appellate court (upholding my win in Superior Court). The children of the deceased first wife could not be removed from their late father’s estate and trust by the second wife who is both executrix and trustee. I wrote the original Prenuptial agreement 35 years ago which protected any issue of the first marriage. The second wife was trying to gain more than $5 million for her children with the husband at the expense of his two children from wife number one.
At my insistence, the late husband had provided an equal amount of life insurance for his second set of children which passed outside the estate and trusts. Wife two was being greedy and had made some decisions and transactions in the trusts without the consent of the other Trustee (an attorney in my firm).
Not only was my win in Superior Court upheld, but an order was issued for the Judge in Probate Court to remove Wife #2 as both Executrix and Trustee for malfeasance and appoint an institutional trustee i her place.
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BTW, my pointing out that the Republican Party was not a family values party, did not state that the Democrat Party was. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy in claims made.
I am not enamored of most candidates who run on the national level. I voted against Trump,. not for Clinton ( a person I have known personally since 1970 when her last name was still Rodham.@AviK
Who cares about Minnesota law? Trump’s adultery was based in NY and Clinton in Arkansas and Washington DC.
Noe of the other things you post have anything to do with US law. We no longer operate under English Common Law. The Noahide Laws don’t apply in the US legal system.All you post is merely obfuscation………………………..
I’ve had a Family law practice for many decades and have great knowledge of what adultery is in the USA. For a long time it was the main way to get a divorce decree in the civil courts.
@AviK
The definition of Adulerty in halacha has nothing to do with the definition in US laws, and as this is a discussion about non-Jewish politicians in the US it dos not apply.@AviK
I am conducting a trial in appellate court this week which is why I’m not responding to individual posters.
I don’t owe an apology, I did not put words in quotation marks and claim someone else wrote them.while
Curiosity wrote an out and out lie and besmirched me, which is why I did comment. (My son saw it and brought it to my attention, I didn’t have time for the CR while fine tuning my opening remarks. Court recessed at 3:30 and I am a passenger on the way back to my office so I am able to respond to you.@RebbYidd23…………..
Because they don’t have the capacitors to tell the difference.@1
A $65,000 job for a married couple may not be self supporting for a couple in the urban northeastern US, but it is in many areas of the country.I stated I’d not be responding to individual posts, BUT How DARE YOU misquote me and claim I lost you at “victim of serial adulterer.”
I NEVER wrote that Trump’s opponent was the victim of a serial adulterer. I wrote that Trump was a serial adulterer.
Save your false accusations for someone else, you are producing ‘alternate facts’ or ‘fake news’
It is reprehensible that you use a set of quotation marks to surround words that I NEVER wrote and attribute them to me.Your apology and retraction of the false quote is due.
MODERATORS: please take note of this falsehood posted by Curiosity
All politics is local.
People affiliate with a party based on how it affects their daily life where they live, they don’t affiliate based on national platforms.
The national Republican Party is the antipathy of Family Values. It ran a thrice married serial adulterer for President in opposition to a woman who was the victim of a husband who committed adultery.
Thrice married adulterous white males are common in the Republican leadership, need I mention Mayor Juliani, now personal lawyer for Trump, or Speaker Gingrich?The Democrats brought us Social Security, Medicare and the Affordable Care Act and booming economies under the Roosevelt, Clinton and Obama administrations.
The Republicans brought us the Great Depression of Herbert Hoover, the runaway inflation and 20% interest rates of George HW Bush, the banking crisis and economic collapse of 2008 of George W Bush and have made us the laughing stock of the world and sold out to the Russians, Saudis and Germans by Trump.
Not all frum Yidden are blind and deaf, we refuse to belong or support the party that brought us Trump, Ryan and McConnell.
I’ll not be answering individual posters in this thread, but could not let it go on the way Joseph, the troll, framed it. Enjoy your conversation.
@Golfer
From past posts I am aware that DY does not live in my area of small town Connecticut.
I know all of the frum people in my town, and most of the non-frum Jews as well (I’ve been active in local politics for decades).
The supermarket isn’t even in my town, but an adjoining smaller town with no shul and few Jews (but it is part of a major New England chain and stocks the Empire line to cover the Thanksgiving advertisements). I clean out the turkeys each year after Thanksgiving and the frozen roasting chickens after the Yomin Noraim. 99 cents is a great price to pay for kosher poultry. I also stock up on the canned fruits, etc when they mark them 50 cents a can/jar/bottle after Pesach because they have no corn syrup.@DaasYochid
I sincerely doubt you were looking for these in my local general supermarket. Every year they order in a load to cover the chainwide advt. BUT, there is next to no kosher clientele and they mark it down and clear it out.@Rand0m3x
I believe you mother is mistaken
American Gentiles do NOT celebrate all the holidays by eating turkey.
Dec 24th at night Italo-Americans eat a meal consisting of 7 fish/seafood courses
Dec 25th most American Goyim eat Roast Beef or ham
Easter is usually feasted with ham or lambIt is the British who are likely to serve Turkey for xmas dinner, it has replaced the traditional goose.
I live in small town America and see what is promoted in the general supermarkets for each of these holidays.
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In the CTL home turkey is roasted almost every Sunday, it has been an important part of our fleishige diet since the anti-cholesterol warnings of the late 1970s.
Last night I went into one of the local general supermarkets as is my Motzei Shabbos post Thanksgiving custom and bought every single frozen Empire turkey which were marked down to 99 cents per pound and stocked our freezers in the garage. I was able to purchase 12 of the 14-16 pound birds and 8 of the 20-24 pounders. By next week they’ll again be about $3.79 per pound in the market.@Winnie
Why is food from the Far East so popular with Jews?Let’s rephrase this as from China (and the it extended to Thailand and Viet Nam in recent years).
When Jewish immigrants from eastern Europe settled on the Lower East Side of NYC it was in proximity to Italians (Little Italy) and Chinese (Chinatown).
Those Jews first venturing to try forbidden foods in neighborhood restaurants were offput by the pictures of Jesus, Mary and Crosses adorning the walls of Italian restaurants. Jews were taunted as Christ Killers and not made welcome.
The Chinese on the other hand, were considered by American society as inferior to all whites. They respected all white customers in their establishments. Their cuisine had no mixing of milk and meat, as milk/dairy was not part of the Chinese diet. The protein (mea)t was diced so fine and mixed into dishes that were predominantly vegetable (Chop Suey, Chow Mein), noodles (Lo Mein) and rice (fried rice), Many Euro-Traditional Jews felt what they couldn’t see and identify as pork didn’t matter. The little red dyed bits of meat in Fried Rice didn’t look like pork chops, bacon rashers or slices of ham.
Next, Chinese food was extremely cheap, all that immigrants and low paid workers could afford. Into the 1940s a meal in a NYC Chinese restaurant could be had for 65 cents. As Jews left the Lower east side for the outer boroughs, Chinese followed their customers opening laundries and restaurants.
By the 1950s Jewish entrepeneurs realized they could hire Chinese cooks and produce kosher Chinese, thus the birth of restaurants suck as Bernsteins on Essex.
In the 1970s I was in the kosher deli/restaurant/catering business in CT. Our head chef Hom Keung had spent 10 years as a chef at Grossinger’s in the Catskills. By his 2nd week we had added a Chinese food section to our menu. It far outsold traditional Euro-American fare that mothers and grandmothers cooked at home.Since the mid 1980s other East Asian food has grown in popularity. As trade with Thailand and Viet Nam expanded so too did demand for their food. Many Jews first experienced this in Israel and wanted it in the USA.
BTW>>>the Chinese influence on the Jews of NYC continues to this day in other ways. The Mah Jongg craze that swept the nation in the 1920s became a Jewish tenement game for women that eventually became a mainstay of country clubs in the suburbs. Jewish women played Mah Jongg, WASPs played bridge
The quick answer as to why NYC and most northern industrial cities were twofold>>>>
#1 White Flight in the decade after school busing and integration, the white middle class fled to the suburbs taking their tax dollars and small businesses with them.#2 The 1971 Arab Oil Embargo and OPEC price hikes made to expensive to manufacture in the hundred year old northern factories. These buildings were fine when oil was 5 cents per gallon, not $1.00 or more
The rust belt was created and the south rode a new industrial wave to economic superiority. Others just oved their factories offshore.I was involved in a major sewing manufacturer’s business in Waterbury, CT. We could not afford to heat our 1880s buildings. We moved all production to South Carolina. The buildings were let go for taxes. They remained vacant for more than 30 years
@Meno
Lots of typos today….allergies are bothering my eyes@NevilleChaimBerlin
Free tuition at CUNY ended in the 1970s because NYC was broike and the Financial Review Board insisted that CUNY chagre the same tuition as SUNY
@ZionGate
College is expensive, for many reasons. There are ways to lower the cost.
#1 Go to public institutions, not private (save 1/3)
#2 Start with Community College for the first 2 years (save 2/3)
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Now state specific ways to save:
Here in CT
#3 Take ECE courses in High School, NOT AP
ECE-early college experience are UCONN courses taught in the high schools by qualified teachers. Students receive UCONN college credits for these and they are transferable to most colleges. My kids took ECE Statistics, English Comp, Biology, Chemistry and US History. When they graduated High School they had 15 college credits without having paid college tuition, just for books.
#4 Do 2 years in community college $200 per credit, THEN instead of transferring to UCONN or a State University @$28,000 per year. finish your degree at Charter Oak College. Charter Oak (a state college) charges $300 per credit, but if you have done your first 60 credits in community college, you can finish Junior and Senior years paying the same $200 rate. Total tuition for a Bachelor’s Degree would be only $24,000 and be covered by Pell and other grants.Yes, one can go to an Ivy League school for 70K per year (10 time what I paid almost 50 years ago) or you can spend less than 10K
@ZionGate
Free College Tuition is not a Socialist scheme and need not end up like VenezuelaMy father went to City College, My mother went to Hunter College in the late 1930s-early 40s. They were FREE, not just tuition, but books. The only cost was subway fare. notebooks, paper and pens.
The entrance was by examination, unless you graduated Townsend Harris HS (for City) or Hunter College High School. My parents graduated those high schools at the age of 14. City and Hunter were predominantly Jewish in those days.
They churned out businessmen, future lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc.
NYC didn’t become a socialist state because of free tuitionOne week after Election Day and results keep coming in:
Arizona Senate seat to a Democrat.
Florida and Georgia still not known…headed to the courts and/or runoff electionSo> Joseph as of now the GOP only has picked up one seat in the Senate………
Better than expected results? I don’t think so
@Ben L
ACA is different in each state, especially if there is a state run exchange. Connecticut has one, New Jersey doesn’t.
I buy my coverage through the exchange because I am self employed. I have the same level plan with the same insurance company. My premium is 60% less than before ACA and I am now 5 years older. I did not lose any doctors and had many more to choose from. Prior to ACA I was restricted to which hospitals I could use, now all CT hospitals must take the coverage.I have just signed up for Medicare to start this winter and will lose my primary care physician.
BTW…… I have posted about this before. Mrs. CTL was on life support in 2016 for 27 days and had 10 surgeries. The bill was 2.5 million dollars. Our policy had a one million dollar cap before ACA, caps were done away with by ACA and our out of pocket was $16.
@Joseph
Trump did NOT pick up the Senate, there was already a Republican majority (it just increased slightly)Jackk………………..
Medicare and Social Security are NOT entitlements…please stop repeating that lie.
They are self funded through workers’ and employers’ contributions.
The Congress has raided the Social Security of Trillions of dollars, now McConnell and company want to complete the theft instead of repaying the loan by reducing benefits not paid by the government.Here in CT
All Satewide offices went to Dems
The Dems took back the State Senate with a commanding majority and increased majority in the house. Many long time Republican legislators lost
All Congress Members and Senator…DEMHow is this worse than expected?
Happy to see Charamut was trounced by Lesser.
Exit polling showed this anti-Semitic advt was a major cause of former supporters voting against the incumbent
How am I and my children supposed to make a living if you all run to a Beis Din?
I recommend one when appropriate and seek to have its ruling entered to the civil action.Yes, we have different racks, but the sinks are in different counters
@Coffee Addict
The point is that I agree with Capital Punishment for those who commit Premeditated Murder (Murder in the First Degree),
I am against beating, floggings and even teachers hitting pupils>>>>>corporal punishment.BTW>>>>I am a Democrat
13 Amendment to the US Constitution made sale of humans illegal. It was called slavery
Coffee Addict……………..
You mean CAPITAL punishment, NOT CORPORAL Punishment……………………..Corporal..refers to the body…hitting, slapping, beating
Capital refers to the head…..they used to execute prisoners by chopping off their heads. Some societies mounted the heads on poles for the populace to see and be deterred from similar crimes.
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#1 My six years of Latin pays off
#2 Almost every modern study says capital punishment is not a deterrent. Most murders are crimes of passion or committed by the mentally derangedI want Republicans OUT and Democrats IN.
Here in CT, I’ll be content to KEEP Democrats in.@Mentsch1
“Did you ever hear of a mass shooting back when this country had religious values?”
Yes, St. Valentine’s Day Massacre Feb 14, 1929 in Chicago“Have you ever heard of a violent incident in a Jewish/catholic school?”
Yes, Gonzaga University 1971. 4 wounded before shooter killed by police
Yes, tons of child rape/sexual abuse in both Catholic and Jewish schools. Not all violence includes use of a gun@Joseph
When they learned in Brooklyn after high school in CT and before college/Law school their Yeshiva dorm was less than 3 blocks from my paternal grandparents’ home and those of Grandma’s three sisters. These were the only homes they ate in while in Brooklyn. Zaidy and his brothers in law were more apt to be giving the boys bottles of booze and cash and the women gave food goodies to take back to yeshiva. The boys would run errands for these elder family members, do chores in the homes and drive them to shopping, etc.
Both went to college and Law school at Penn and if going to a family for Shabbos they took a bottle for the adults and candy for the children. I don’t think any hosts were regular stops. They did not have Friday classes and came home most Thursday nights. If they had reason to stay in Philadelphia they generally ate in their own apartment. They were/are competent cooks and bakers.@Avi K
My mother went to Hunter and my father to City College in the 1930s before CUNY existed.Wesleyan may have been founded by the Methodist Church in 1831, but became an independent secular college in 1937.
I did NOT apply, I had an interview on campus. In my day (which seems concurrent with yours) it was common to visit colleges, tour the campus and have interviews before making application. This let you eliminate some and save application fees, etc.
I visited and had the interview, because the school was in commuting distance (35 minute drive) to my home. I also visited and had interviews at 3 or for other colleges that I did not apply to. I made application to only 3 universities and was accepted and attended University oF Pennsylvania (Wharton) my first choice.@lakern
Then I’m glad my 215 year old home is far from the largest and most fancy and most expensive in my town.@Syag…………
When our girls were away at school and invited Shabbos guests they ,would bring purchased gifts the first couple of times they went to a specific home. After that they were likely to send a thank you note with a card enclosed that said good for an evening’s babysitting….so the hosts could have some free time. They told Mrs CTL and Me that this was far more appreciated than another bottle of wine or a box of chocolates.@Takes2
Christians are NOT victioms of Anti Semitism, they may be victims of Hate crime
@JNN
Most anti-semites I’ve encountered in 60+ years in the USA do not base their anti-semitism on antic of Israel. It is about being jealous of how well Jews have done in America. They want our money, belongings and perceived power. Their evengelical churches are pro-Israel and teach hatred of Jews in America.The Pittsburgh Shooter was after Jews and the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society who settles and aids non Jewish immigrants in America. He didn’t go after JNF or organizations aiding Israel.
You place far too much importance on Israel in the hateful minds of American White Trash
@AviK
You are in Israel, I am in CONNECTICUT where this occurred and am active in Politics.State Senate District (Middletown, Cromwell, etc) has a long history of anti-semitism. Middletown is home to Wesleyan University, full of Jew Haters and anti-Israel activists.
Way back when I had an interview for admission and was told to my face the Jew Quota was filled. This long after the Civil Rights Act was the law of the land. I upturned the interviewer’s desk in his face and stormed out stating I wouldn’t attend this hellhole if it were free.Charamut’s past associations are not squeaky free. You do not know the local politics and your flippant comment is way off the mark.
Disclosure: I know the retiring Senator Doyle and contributed to Lesser’s campaign ($5) to he could reach the requirement for state funding of his run for office. CT election funding requires raising a few thousand dollars from XXX donors in amounts less than $100. Then the state funds the candidates for State Senate equally in the amount of $90,000. It keeps the campaigns on equal footing and this is how a 22 year old can afford to run.