☕ DaasYochid ☕

No, but can you show me a precise citation in Shulchan Aruch, or is it just something you know through common sense?

Do you advocate driving while intoxicated? Have you seen studies on it? Do you have proof? Do you have precise numbers showing how dangerous it is? Or are certain things so blatantly obvious that they don’t need precise numbers?

Think about it.

Whether or not there are precise numbers doesn’t change the blatantly obvious fact that there are a lot more single girls then boys. This is a tragedy of huge proportions, which some gedolim are viewing as a massive agunah issue, yet you want to do nothing about it until we have precise numbers?

The solutions you think are “harmful” are not at all clearly so. There is an excellent case to be made that even if there were no shidduch catastrophe, these changes would still be very positive.

You agree that certain things which are obvious without precise scientific studies,cyet you keep in insisting on proof, something which you can’t provide for your side of the argument.

You know some things don’t require “proof”, but for some reason, on the topic of solutions to the shidduch crisis, you’ve mixed up what does and what doesn’t.

At the expense of agunos.

there is a sidduch crisis because in this part of the jewish world there are more girls graduating then boys.

Graduating what, high school? Half of the boys go to yeshivas in other cities?

Apushatayid, your math is off. There would not need to be 3% annual population growth to offset 3% disparity in males/females unless there was only a one year age gap, but the age gap is significantly more than one year.

Yeshiva guys usually like to use a rebbi as that mentor for no very good reason other than convenience.

Hopefully many rebbeim have maalos besides for convenience.

Even that is a strange message. Why did they print that, and not age 19? Why not age 12? If they are really just saying as early as you think is appropriate, why peg it?

Because they don’t think too many 12 year olds are ready to get married.

Also, in what world do rebbeim decide when a boy is ready to get married? I’ve never met any rebbi who would think that is his position.

Yeshiva world. I’ve seen it.

Sometimes we don’t know why we started doing something, but the fact that it’s widely accepted indicates there must have been a good reason it was started in the first place.

That argument is humorously weak.

Do you still wash your clothing in the river?

But maybe it does mean you shouldn’t make kol koreis about it every week in the yated, which aren’t quite as nuanced as you are being.

I’m not all that familiar with the ads, but 1) I probably see nuance where others don’t. 2) PR is PR. If the ad were worded the way you wanted, it would probably be humorously weak, and wouldn’t accomplish anything.

To which we bring a counter-rayah that there is obviously some reason we don’t.

That’s called a raya? That’s much closer to a concession.

The pro-younger-boys-in-shidduchim people say if American boys would know they’re getting married at 21, they would grow up faster, just like everyone else does.

The reason we don’t is because we don’t, but if we did, we would.

Your opinion.

Do you really disagree? Do you think more yeshivish girls leave mainstream yeshivish society than boys, and more boys than girls enter it?

With this I include going OTD, becoming a BT, becoming MO, or MO becoming yeshivish.

I think more boys leave and more girls enter. Do you disagree?

You think no boys are ready at 21?

But yes, there are choshuv’e roshei yeshiva who disagree with you and think many are ready at 21.

I personally think there are more boys than girls who are like that. I call it the creepy guy theory of the shidduch crisis.

Let me get this straight – you agree that more girls enter the typical dating age than boys, and think there are more unmarriageable boys, but need proof that there’s a disparity??

Interesting how you know that.

I wouldn’t know that I’m not AZ and/or getting it right?

Also, the style is pretty evident.

There are also people who are allergic to apples and people who dont like apples

Your analogy is flawed, because the factors taking singles out of the field are if anything going to take more boys out than girls. See popa’s point about “defective” boys.

It’s not a poor analogy, age gappers are advocating unknown medicine for a questionable condition. We have no proof that the situation is any worse than its been in the past.

They think you’re wrong on both counts.

You’re definitely wrong about it being a questionable condition, but we can discuss if the medicine could be dangerous if the wrong people take it.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/other-solutions-to-the-shidduch-crisis

Kapusta, poor analogy on both ends.