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Rav Moshe could not have assured College, His own son-in-law Rav tendler has a doctorate (and Taught at YU) and Rav Nissim Alpert also taught at YU and would never have gone against his rebbe
Except that he did.
Feivel,
Indeed, I was addressing those who do see and understand.
You’re a moron, because you should have asked about stabbing girls at parades.
Where we know of exactly one person who said it’s okay.
Of course not. R’ Moshe assered college – would anyone say he was Modern Orthodox?
Regarding mechitzah, yes, he held of a lower shiur (shoulder height which is 18, not 10 tefachim) meikar hadin, but he didn’t think it was optimal.
You will not find Halacha-observant self-identifying Modern Orthodox people who violate Halachos
Sure, no true Scotsman…
Will you find more halacha violating among those who identify as Modern Orthodox than those who identify as what the OP calls “regular Orthodox”? That question, at least, is not self answered.
Did you like giving your kid a bris?
Yes, in fact, I made a party!
hey, if we cant trust khaled for his honest and unbiased opinion, who can we trust?
Rav Elyashiv?
there was a stabbing in Tel-Aviv today, Do you really belive the Stabbing in Tel-Aviv really had anything to do with Har Habyis
1) Nobody has claimed that every single terrorist attack is related to HH”B.
2) Read the Post prior to yours.
Why do you assume they enjoy it?
1) They tell me they do
2) More women come to shul (where I am) than in any other day of the year.
“Hence concludes Rav Aviner, visiting Har Habayis is an affront to both the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and Gedolei Yisrael.”
Im sorry, i missed it. Mind repeating or directing me please?
I don’t know why I bother, because this seems to happen on every thread, but here goes:
“The fact that they murder without this provocation, as others have pointed out, simply has no bearing in the fact that this does incite them even more, and causes even more bloodshed, R”l.”.
For 90%+ of the Jews who go up, it’s either for inspiration or an expression of Hoda’ah to HKBH at the ability to be able to go up
Oh, was there a scientific study done? 😉
Seriously, though, I’ve got a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea of people violating the accepted, majority psak that it’s assur for two reasons, with pure motives.
Gedolei Yisroel, including Rav Eliashev, have explicitly and repeatedly cited antagonization resulting in anti-Jewish violence as one of the reasons it is forbidden to go up to the HH”B.
That is correct. This is a second halachic reason, and this is not something we’ve made up.
Do you have any data to back that up?
is that a scientific answer?
Is there data, a scientific study, to demonstrate that playing in traffic is dangerous?
You also neglected to address this :
“There was no har habayis excuse in the 50’s yet fedayeen attacks became a routine occurance.”
I directly addresses that.
Hi! I b”H had a wonderful Yom Tov; I hope you did as well.
That’s chazzanus, no?
Sam, if not for the fact that it is so problematic, I could agree with you.
L’maaseh, it’s a political statement (as has basically been admitted by the proponents on this thread) and not a spiritual undertaking.
Is that true?
Of course it is. The fact that they murder without this provocation, as others have pointed out, simply has no bearing in the fact that this does incite them even more, and causes even more bloodshed, R”l.
The answer to this thread is:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/har-habayis-revisited
what do you mean by “Free” shadchunas?
I mean when you find her a shidduch, you don’t charge her for it.
It’s really worth more than $500, but it doesn’t cost you anything, so it’s a win-win.
Why do innocent babies have to die for your farkrumte principles? Why do children have to become orphans for your false ideology?
Do they also make you sing hatikvah?
What would be the point?
What if she gets married within a year and a half of coming back?
Free shadchanus.
Such a difference as to declare that, “it is infinitely worse”?
There might be a difference, but I think it’s more subtle than that.
Yekke2, doesn’t anything someone who looks like a religious Jew do draw attention to the religion?
Why? ????????? ?? ????
give them their space!
I don’t understand how ?????????? ?? ???? relates to giving them their space, or how either relate to the difference between being too aggressive regarding religion or mundane matters. ?????????? ?? ???? relates to giving them their space, or how either relate to the difference between being too aggressive regarding religion or mundane matters.
when he is trying to force something related to religion it is infinitely worse.
Why?
And now you also want him to give you a $500 present??!!
Okay, I’m sure you meant for… but are we to assume it’s for (and from) a man? Can we have some ideas of what he might appreciate, like seforim or electronics?
Also, I recognized the other car as one which once blocked my driveway, so the guy had it coming.
What about the story about the guy who dropped his iPad and wanted them to stop the ride for him to retrieve it – would that have made the same point?
it was head in… parking
To borrow an idea from Syag (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bending-to-our-will#post-582892):
Avi, ROB, Sam, ZD, is it okay for frum Jews to act like jerks (putting aside midos) in a bowling alley, gym, etc., since they hate us anyways?
For whom and from whom?
555, I thank you for the compliment. I do think that’s a valid point, and that we do have to remember that we are in golus. I just don’t think we can make a blanket statement that things are getting worse in this regard based on two stories about which we don’t really know all of the facts.
ROB, for the umpteenth time, yes, they hate us, yes, sometimes they kill us. With more provocation, though, they do it more.
Syag, as much as I don’t think we should be unnecessarily provoking negative feelings anywhere, that comparison is over the top.
Sam, the bottom line is that it leads to more Jewish blood being spilled.
Go tell the families of terror victims that their relative’s murder is the result of “minor immediate violence”. Go tell them that the murderers would have eventually attacked anyways.
ROB, ZD, AviK, perhaps you missed where I repeatedly pointed out that yes, they hate us, but they most certainly carry out more violence when provoked.
Mobico, Joseph, correct.
To the same degree?
Next thing you know, we’re going to force them to let us keep Shabbos.
Seriously, though, you have to take these stories with a grain of salt. If these were reported in the secular media, you know that they invariably embellish these stories and leave out facts.
Avi, yes, as I said, they already hate us, but inciting them causes more bloodshed and innocent Jewish lives to be lost, no matter how you want to spin it.
You have an ideological objection to abstaining from ascending to the Har Habayis because our enemies don’t want us to. Must more Jewish children die for your ideology?
This site has been flooded with that joke.
Not wanting to see Jews murdered is extreme? What religion do you belong to?
Aside from the issue of tumah, it’s pashut that going to the Har Habayis provokes terror. Yes, they already hate us – if you were alone in an alley with someone stronger than you who hated you, would you spit in his face?
Those who go up to Har Habayis have blood on their hands.
The Beis Din of the Eida Decries Jewish Violence in Response to Terror
There are no hard rules. Everyone’s different.
For example, I used to have both of us bring our therapists on the dates. They talked about weather, seminary, summers, money, etc., while we would drink beer and shoot pool.
You probably blocked my driveway to get to shul. Jerks.
A very important part of G-d’s “ideas” of what is spiritual and moral are the halachos found in His Torah, including muttar/assur. Of course He wants you to take it seriously. If you find that some aspects of your life seem to be more pleasant without taking halacha seriously, then that is your challenge and your nisayon to overcome that. I wish you much hatzlocha in that.
Just don’t rationalize that He doesn’t want you to take His laws very seriously. That doesn’t make sense.
What is the difference between people getting offended and people being offended?