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So the answer to your question, “Newbee, so it’s okay for a shul/yeshiva to profit from ill-gotten funds?” is yes, unless it was earned specifically to be donated?
Not that I’m c’v advocating any lessening of Kovod Shabbos
No, not intentionally, ch”v, but that would be the result if what was a public act doesn’t get at least some type of public questioning (as I’ve said, I’m open to hear an explanation; I am more questioning (and stating that it seems wrobg to me) than attacking). I certainly think it should be pointed out that pashtus, what the public saw, a Jew having a goy do an issur for him and making money for a race run on Shabbos, is assur.
Do you want to take responsibility for someone thinking amira l’akum and s’char Shabbos are okay?
I appreciate your sensitivity, but I disagree, and think this should be discussed.
No, Oomis has got it right. Your mistake is that you are using the term “relative” in two very different ways.
ZD, what does the family say about the Shabbos issue?
Kapusta, do you think such a public chillul Shabbos l”a should pass without comment?
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Anyhow, we aren’t ???? ??? nowadays to heat water for a ?? ?????.
You still haven’t answered my questions.
It’s true that the bigger the person is, the bigger the chillul Hashem when he does somete wrong, but that wasn’t my question.
It’s a concept found in Rishonim and even Geonim whereby one undergoes physical suffering equivalent to the hana’ah one received from a chet, in order to get a kaparah. I’m not recommending it l’maaseh; in fact, the Ramchal was against it. It is a real concept in Yiddishkeit, though.
IMO it was a chilul Hashem, not that they owned a race horse or that it was run on Shabbos, but there was an idea that a Race horse can get a bracha for a donation
Why is it not a chillul Hashem to race a horse on Shabbos?
As silly as you make it sound, is it so terrible to ask for a brachah to succeed in one’s livelihood?
I think you define chillul Hashem not by what is actually a chillul shem shomayim, but rather, what makes you personally embarrassed in front of non Jews or non frum Jews.
They rented an RV and camped out by Belmont Park so they could see the race.
In my opinion, simultaneously making a kiddush Hashem and a chillul Hashem.
It seems pashut to me that his winnings are ill-gotten. The gambling part, which you also alluded to in your previous post, doesn’t bother me (maybe it should?).
The races were all run on Shabbos, which means the prize money is assur, and it’s assur to ride a horse in Shabbos, so also amira l”akum. Also, a race track is definitely not the most Shabbosdik’e place to be on Shabbos.
I can be dan l’kaf z’chus that he had some type of shtar mechirah worked out, but regardless, it’s at least maris ayin.
I think we should vote on who’s considered ignorant and foolish.
Sam, never heard of ????? ??????
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Technically correct, as I stated. Your original question was about landline replacement, though.
I think I was paying fees right away.
It’s okay for the adults?
Google Voice and Skype can be used to make voice calls, but they’re not router based providers, so not VoIP in the normal way the term is used, AFAIK.
I like Google Voice for its forwarding and messaging features, but use Ooma as a second line.
I know. 😉
Source? No problem, ???? ????? ?????.
Histakel b’Oraisa uvara alma.
HKB”H created morality, and gave people the ability to tune into it. Avraham Avinu did the ultimate in this regard; he kept kol haTorah kulah without a direct tzivui because he reached such a high level that his ratzon was in sync with Hashem’s.
Asking what the world would look like without Hashem (or what morality would be) is an exercise in futility. It’s like asking what would the ocean be without water. It’s definitionally impossible.
What is a little more reasonable to ask is how much morality can one have without knowing any Torah. I doubt we’re held responsible for not achieving what Avraham Avinu did, but I think a certain level of morality is expected, such as not killing, not stealing, and arayos. It comes from an inherent sense of right and wrong which Hashem granted to human beings, which on its most basic level manifests itself in what we refer to as “morality”.
Talking about morality without Hashem, or talking about anything without Hashem, is futile, because nothing exists or can exist without Him, not even “in theory”.
Sam, suicide has no place, even in theory. Sigufim do; there were very big people who did it. It’s certainly not for us.
My point is not to advocate for sigufim, but that if self inflicted suffering is mechaper, suffering through negligence might be as well.
Those aren’t all VoIP providers.
Kasher: Rema 115:2, IG”M Y.D. 3:16.
What doesn’t it?
Machlokes. Haga atzmicha – do you think those of us who are makpid on CY like to waste money for no reason? Yes, there’s room to be more meikil on cheese (and in the past, butter) than on milk. Yet, the majority of those makpid on milk also follow the sticter opinion on cheese.
Even many of those who were meikil on butter are no longer meikil, because they changed the way they produce butter.
Do some more research.
What about them?
They are probably holding like R’ Moshe meikar hadin, and b’tziruf R’ Frank, being mattir powdered milk.
Bear in mind, though, that powdered milk doesn’t help for the treifah shailah.
Hundreds of years ago, people tortured themselves as part of their teshuvah. Obviously, we don’t do this, and it would be counterproductive for us and an aveirah, but I don’t think it’s so pashut to dismiss the idea that yissurim can be mechaper simply because they’re self inflicted.
What I’m saying is that his being impressed that he apologized (sort of) to you will pale in comparison to his feeling that the apology is owed more to him, so that it’s not worth it.
The kids smoking regular or e-cigarettes aren’t asking a shaila. They know it’s wrong (although they may rationalize that it’s muttar).
JT, that’s kind of off topic, as e-cigarettes are often used to help stop smoking.
Once you mention it, though, nobody really thinks smoking is a good idea, there’s just a technical question of whether it’s assur or just a bad idea. No one who starts smoking asks a shailah first.
It’s not your cheshbon; I agree. I just think that it’s reasonable to assume that you friend will not feel less negativity, which would mean that you would be better off not telling him, and that is your cheshbon.
Doesn’t the rav owe your friend a direct apology? Unless he apologizes to him (in which case your involvement becomes unnecessary), I don’t see how relaying his apology to you would help.
(Did I understand the scenario correctly?)
You just had to bump a thread which mentions my being blocked, and in which Sam insults me?
What did I ever do to you?
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Regarding the first quote. I was quoting those much greater than I
Out of context. The Gemara is not equating abortion with amputation.
If ????? ?? ???? ??, why is the fetus Nogaiah to the din of Rodef at all?
Many have asked this kashya. See end of ???? ?????? ?”? ????? ?”?. It doesn’t change what the Gemara and Rambam say.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1447&st=&pgnum=439&hilite=
Sam2:
That story is false. R’ Ovadiah knew what she looked like and still listened. He obviously considered it Muttar anyway.
To reiterate Avi K’s question:
How do you know that, and it contradicts his psak in Yabia Omer 1:6(13)?
Because he was there when it didn’t happen.
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Sam, I don’t know the precise hagdarah either, but at least you’re not throwing out the concept for lack of knowing one.
I think on demand abortion and some of what goes on with end if life issues is unambiguously immoral. The fact that there may be some fuzzy, in between cases, doesn’t change that.
And honestly, if the best answers to my question about murder being immoral are wishy-washy, I don’t know that I’m not too distant in worldview to even continue this discussion.
OR put another way it is not fully alive.
That is much too simplistic. Is someone on life support not fully alive?
“an we agree that the secular pro-choice “Abortion on Demand!” position is immoral?”
This feeds back to the discussion regarding does halacha equal morality. Of which i am not sure yet.
Are you also unsure that murder is immoral?
both/neither considered to have a din of Rodef
Neither.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/rambam.aspx?mfid=89097&rid=12271
Lesschumras, you are conflating the act of theft with a third party benefiting from it, and thereby accusing newbee of saying something he never said.
Yeshivadan, see ??? ?????, that if it’s ????? ???????, it’s okay.
That’s true for a lot, but not all, Jewish music. A huge difference, though, is the lyrics, and the issue of kol isha.
I can handle having Shwekey playing while I shop during the three weeks or sefirah, but I would be put off by Rosenberg’s* Supermarket playing music off of the radio.
You can want good middos and personality and still be a gold digger.
Refuah sheleimah.
Yes, Sam; although it did seem odd, I thought it was a valid reason.
I was once in a kosher supermarket, and they were playing music during sefirah (or three weeks, I forget).
I asked a manager about it, and he told me that the cashiers and baggers work faster when the music is on.