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Thank you LAB. Now I’m ROTFL. Did I just disprove Messrs. White and Froggie?
(I’m still wondering how a “how” question got answered by a “because”.
Of course, selfishness and narcissism is not new. What’s new is the ubiquity of technology which helps foster it.
Even those who embrace the use of technology have noted the negative social effect.
Whether we deal with this by disengaging from use of technology or by limiting its use, we should at least acknowledge the problem so that we can deal with it.
I’m lost.
I don’t know which gemara you’re referring to.
What you seem to be suggesting is that a person can entirely abandon Torah and mitzvos, and that would be based on the idea of Al Ta’amin, but couldn’t do one aveira. That doesn’t make sense to me.
Other languages – mostly Loshon Hakodesh, some Aramaic.
The classic answer to this question is that Hashem is “l’maalah min hazman”.
WIY, did you hear the Kotzker say it?
HaLeiVi, I think Al Ta’amin is quite relevant. It assumes that even if a person worked on himself his entire life, he might falter at the end. If so, then a sole aveira isn’t an indication that he was only sinless because of the yetzer hora’s deviousness; maybe he was a tzaddik, but nevertheless fell prey.
SaysMe, ”eating a recipe made by a spiritually negative person”
Like a kosher dish prepared by a non-Jew vs a Jew?
No, I think he meant the recipe, not the actual food.
Sam, glad to see you coming around to my way of thinking. 🙂
Torahlishma, you write that if you wanted to make a Tehillim asifa tomorrow, you’d do it.
Well, it’s clear that you want to, so I guess the only question is when and where.
Takahmamash, Who do you think put moisture in the clouds and caused it to be cold?
147, is that how you chose your screen name?
The second half of this post is very important.
It’s tough to discuss something when you really don’t know what you’re discussing.
And tomorrow’s not even a ?????!
What would be the point?
Sam, you wrote earlier, “Spiritually uplifting” is entirely subjective. This, and the implication that spiritually harmful would also be entirely subjective, is what I am disagreeing with you about. These qualities can be inherent in the music.
I also suspect that WIY meant that although we are not sensitive enough to feel the negativity in music when it’s more subtle, we should be choshesh for it when the source is impure.
What don’t I know here?
The emotional effect that different specific types of music can have on a person. And that it’s a somewhat objective chochmah.
It’s poshut that a talented artist can compose or even play music that can make one feel happy, sad, hefker, inspired to teshuvah, rebellious, lewd, and many more.
All without any lyrics.
You’re right that an immoral composer can write uplifting music, it’s just that they often simply express themselves, including and especially regarding their points of spiritual weakness.
Sam, did you ever take a course in music appreciation?
Sam, 2 differences.
1) He was talking about a case that the Ashkenazi wanted to change, not paskening that we all should.
2) He was talking about going according to the Mechaber in Halacha, not in following Sefardi pronunciation.
Also, my point still stands that it’s less than likely that anyone ever followed such a psak.
T613, I was thinking the same thing, but trying to figure out a way for the two ideas not to be a contradiction.
Maybe midos are different than other nisyonos?
I don’t think Yiddish is inherently holy, but part of kedusha, which means separation, is our being distinct from the nations. Yiddish, as a language unique to Jews, keeps us unique. English obviously doesn’t.
Sam, I think you for inadvertently supporting my contention. If that alleged psak is based on the notion that all Ashkenazim should switch to Sefardi minhag, it’s not very likely that any Ashkenazim ever followed it. So forget metzius; in sevara, what I said makes more sense.
Sam, one heter for listening to music is that it’s spiritually uplifting, and that would apply to Jewish music more than to secular music (although not to much of what today passes for “Jewish” music).
What was edited out (in general terms, so that it doesn’t get edited again)?
I wasn’t talking about corn flakes, I was talking about oomis’ joke.
I mostly agree with WIY. Any large scale gathering, even if called an asifa for Tehillim, draws attention, and often comes across as a protest. The pros and cons of making such a public statement must be weighed carefully.
How many baalei bayis learn with an Artscroll gemara or other English-translated work, some of whom would be unable to do so without these English-language works?
That’s not a credit to the English language, that’s a credit to how Rabbis Sherman and Zlotowitz responded to the fact that many people understand English.
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Nice, LAB. Here in the CR, we discuss everything, including the kitchen synch.
RS613, I would think that someone would sooner delete than label “nisayon”.
Oomis, there’s a major difference. Yiddish, as the name implies, is a Jewish language (for those who will insist that it’s German, it’s still a uniquely Jewish dialect).
Why do you think the English language has made Torah more accessible than Yiddish did?
Text it to 612BROCHOS, let’s see what they say (probably hoadomo because the ikkar is the corn).
Oomis, we were talking about hilchos brachos. Please don’t change the subject.
🙂
HaLeiVi, which posek oversees this?
I don’t eat raspberries or blueberries (tolaim).
I certainly hope papaya is Hoadama; otherwise (i.e. if it’s considered a fruit) there’s an orla issue.
I used to have sushi on occasion, but for some reason, the thought of it has recently nauseated me.
I like your second pshat better than your first pshat.
I would think that the Chozeh would be able to see who was the real tzaddik.
Yeah, but when R’ Aharon Kotler tells a crying wife that her husband must not have been on the flight because shluchei mitzvah einom nizokin and he was going purely l’sheim shomayim, and it turns out that he did indeed miss the flight, it’s a great story.
HaLeiVi, if I’m not mistaken, the reason why the din of a moser is moridin v’lo ma’alin is because he’s a rodef, and the halacha doesn’t require us to wait until he’s actively being moser.
Streekgeek, that’s a great story.
T613, that’s generally true, but OTOH the negative influences from within (as relatively minor as they may be) are probably more likely to be absorbed.
I’m not sure if I addressed your original (pre-edited) comment properly.
I completely agree with “The little I know”.
I’ll take it a step further; because Emuna can only be taught by example, it should not be taught directly in classrooms. There’s a lot more to be lost than gained.
Of course, on an individual basis, if a student has questions, there should be someone to whom they can be addressed, and that person must be well prepared to answer.
But giving classes in Emuna is just asking for trouble.
There are 76 free songs available for download on Mostly Music. Some are really nice.
I thought you deleted it.
Torah613, I don’t know exactly what you mean by that, or whether you mean that tongue in cheek.
Sam, that alleged psak makes no sense to me. There has been an Ashkenazi yishuv in E.Y. since at least the times of the Gr”a’s talmidim, and it doesn’t seem as if they switched to Sefardi havarah.
My observation has been as I posted earlier.
HaLeiVi, I’m usually sensitive to when humor is used for leitzanus, but in this case I felt that DaMoshe was attacked unfairly.
WIY, what did they edit?
Also, are they the same mods on the main site as here? (Even if they are, there’s going to be some inconsistency between different mods.)
I didn’t see Charlie’s comment.
About being called a midwesterner, or about bumping a one day old thread?
WIY, do you still think we should stop horsing around?
Why do you assume the line has been crossed? The jokes are about the similarity of the stories, not about the ability of tzaddikim to be the conduit for mofsim.