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You consider chareidi to have a higher standard, so if we’re not perfect, you think someone who notices that should leave and join a community with a lower standard?
Well I expect more from MO than secular, so I guess according to your logic, we should all become secular.
Your thought process is cloudy.
As far as the hatikva incident, it’s not your fault for not understanding the context because I didn’t provide it, but saying he shouldn’t have taken the position is wrong.
Which music you listen to is a conscious decision. Even according to R’ Dessler, it’s within your abilities to control that.
As an aside, my R”Y disagrees with R’ Dessler’s idea that a person is locked in to a specific nekudas habechirah.
42,
I have absolutely no idea; I use a dumbphone. I just copied and pasted.
Challenge of the Times
Over the past two centuries, particularly in America in the past 50 years, Jews were faced with a new challenge: assimilation. Gone are Pharaoh, Haman and Hitler. In their place is emancipation and freedom. Rather than cowering from the stick, now we are enticed by the carrot.
Our rise from the ashes has indeed been astounding, unprecedented in the history of the world. A small core of dedicated and sincere Jews became the seed of a new beginning.
Gedolim and leading layman fought valiantly to create a comprehensive infrastructure of Torah institutions to educate the next generation. They oversaw the implementation of guidelines for behavior in our newest home in America. They strove to rebuild the sense of a Jewish community, an identity that would protect our distinction as the nation of G-d.
Instead of beguiling the Jews to leave the safety of their homes and blend in to their surroundings, the surroundings are being brought right into our homes! Remain in your own home, in a separate Jewish community. No need to change your clothes to fit in, no need to give up your Shabbos cholent. Keep lighting your menorah.
Keep going about every aspect of your life as a fine Jew. No need to go out and buy a television, only to have to hide it from your neighbors. No video screen, not even a computer!
We have it down to a palm-sized device, right there masquerading as your innocent cell phone. No one will ever know. Just keep it safely in your pocket until everyone is out of sight.
Bam!
Got you!
Of all the many traps facing the Jewish people in its long trek through history, none has come close to this latest ruse. The best has been saved for last. Just as Mashiach finally seems to be perched on the doorstep, the most potent poison of all is released. And the devastation it is leaving in its wake is absolutely horrifying.
Daas Yochid- i guess thats just a matter of opinion. I cant see myself burning for listening to all different types of music
We all (myself included) have a tendency to disregard the smaller aveiros because there are more important things to work on.
But after 120, nothing is ignored.
Oomis,
Beautifully said.
I dont remember what the Netziv answered him, anyone?
Betzalel’s chochma was in knowing how to assign contributors’ donations to items of higher kedusha according to purity of intent. So too, if the donor to the yeshiva has a pure intent, the money will go directly to support Torah. Someone who donated with less commendable intent will have the z’chus of paying for the horse and wagon.
Emotionally charged is not one of the criteria mentioned in the S’A.
I think pcoz was arguing, very reasonably, that it is.
If donating for a formerly wealthy man to have servants run before a chariot is valid tzeddakah, it’s reasonable to assume that the reason is because of the emotion of shame that he would otherwise feel. It’s obviously not a physical need; it would be a waste of tzibur gelt to pay for the same thing for someone without that emotional need.
It’s clear to me that the emotional needs of a childless couple are very much a factor in determining priority for tzeddakah money to help them bear a child.
May Hashem bring simchah, speedily, to all, especially those who are suffering so terribly.
is fine except for the fowl language-
My dinner tonight was fine except for the treife chicken.
GAW,
I think you missed my point, as did ZD in his response.
Of course there will be people who are guilty of L”H in every community. And, of course, people will tend to say L”H about things which bother them. If someone, for example (based on the discussion in this thread) wears jeans, it won’t be a topic of L”H in a M.O. community, although it might in a right wing community (wrongly so).
Something else might make waves and cause L”H in a M.O. community (I remember, for example when a right wing rov in a M.O. community refused to allow hatikvah to be sung at his shul’s dinner, there was a lot of L”H said about him).
What ZD was saying, in essence, was that since he doesn’t agree with the hashkafos upon which the L”H being said in a RW community is based, the RW community is by definition not a Torah community.
That is the biased, hateful statement to which I objected.
Far east,
As I posted earlier, it’s difficult to precisely define and qualify.
iPhone
The problem with both of these filters is that they are designed to protect children, not adults. As such, whoever downloads the
browser also knows the password and can bypass the filters. In addition, these filters are not foolproof. In short, at this point in time there is no satisfactory filtering solution to protect iPhones from accessing unsuitable websites.
To further protect your iPhone, you should download an app lock and lock the app store,Safari browser and YouTube to guarantee that unsuitable content will not be accessible.
There is one additional solution for the iPhone: mymobilewatchdog.com provides a good monitoring service, but this service has issues and may be difficult to use.
From the Kinus brochure which AZ posted a link for:
Blackberry
The only company that provides a filter for Blackberries is J-net. This filter costs just a few dollars per month, but to use it you have to add a service called Enterprise to your plan.
A much cheaper solution is to use the everylock app to shut off the browser completely. Again, though, the bearer of the password has the power to unlock the browser.
Sam2,
I wasn’t referring to this particular situation. Maybe if someone feels that they’re uncomfortable in a particular community, they should move.
The implication, though, as you picked up, wass that somehow the further to the right you lean, the less nizhar you are in hilchos loshon hora. That’s patently ridiculous.
maybe
Finally I might suggest moving from your community. A “torah” community that tells Lashon Horah about its residents because they dont follow their exact Hashkafa is no torah community. You can debate about Hashkafa, but Lashon Horah is an AVERIRAH M’Doraisa.
By making the accusation that a certain community is more guilty of loshon horah than another, you’ve just been motzi shen ra on that community.
I took my jacket to the tailor for sleeve surgery.
I was able to avoid sleeve surgery by buying cufflinks.
Happiest,
The one you’re referring to, I believe, is the last track on Avraham Fried’s first album, “No Jew Will Be Left Behind”. It’s also the final track on Mona Rosenblum’s “Di Groissa Chasunah”. MBD sang it as part of the “Emunah and Bitochon” medley in “Once Upon a Nigun”, and for a simple but stunningly beautiful instrumental version, the final track on Andy Statman and David Grisman’s “New Shabbos Waltz” is a must listen.
Moshe Laufer also performed it instrumentally on “Mitoch Haneshamah” (track 7) as part of an Ani Ma’min medley, and that’s also very nice.
Daas Yachid- you do realize the only reason you dont view contemporary jewish music as “jungle music” is because the community simply accepts that style.
Who says I don’t?
Sam2,
How do you respond to my last point (jungle music)?
Don’t you agree that there is music which is objectively offensive?
I posit that there is, and that unfortunately much of it has made its way into “Jewish” music.
And I don’t want to completely capitulate just because it’s difficult to precisely define and qualify.
One Sunday, with her parents away, the girl invited a classmate and friend to join her in her activities on the internet. This went on for a year and a half, with the girl spending every second she could on the internet, and her friend joining her whenever possible. The friend also began bringing along CDs she had picked up somewhere.
Then, the father took the computer out of the home, not because he suspected anything but because he had switched jobs and needed the computer at work.
Sam2,
Despite the negative tone, which I am in no way defending, musicaldignity does have a valid point. We have all been exposed, to one degree or another, to music which, for lack of a better term, has no dignity. That desensitizes us, or in the words of a great Jewish musician, “kills our ears”. Music which is refined and has kedushah sounds old fashioned and boring, when it should be beautiful and uplifting. Music at which we all should cringe has no effect on us, or worse, we dance to it (literally or figuratively).
Of course, if you don’t accept the premise that there is some objective measure for “musical dignity”, you won’t accept my argument. I’ve been informed by people have studied music, though, that there is a objective “formula” for determining which types of beats and sound will arouse certain emotions and feelings.
I don’t accept that the same type of beat which is used in the jungles to whip people into a frenzy of passion for avodah zarah, arayos, and retzichah, can really have a positive effect on people towards avodas Hashem.
By definition, only one girl can have the “best” boy, right?
Well, as soon as the best boy gets married, someone else becomes the best boy. 🙂
In a situation where dollars are finite, what worthy cause has priority is a question for your Rav, not your emotions.
Yes, but the depth of emotions involved is certainly something a rov will consider.
And, the depth of emotion involved is a good reason not to post some of the insensitive comments which were made here.
1. Can he assume kashrus and continue using them with a bracha or
Go with hello99’s answer.
2. Is there a tefillin gemach that could lend him a pair. He has little money and is saving to go study in Yeshivah in Israel.
There are. Post where you live and maybe some helpful cr readers can help make a connection.
Web Chaver
I agree with you on problem #1.
Maybe the guy on the phone did too.
Popa,
Did you see that on your bag?
write or wrong and mom12,
Before you do, ask a rov whose opinion you value. My rebbeim reject his hashkafos, as does a good portion of the Torah world.
Sam2,
I heard that R’ Shachter isn’t too thrilled with Slifkin either. Is that true?
I will not be destroying or discarding any Mattisyahu CDs, no matter what he does.
As implied in my earlier post, neither will I.
Who am I to dictate what someone else can find inspiring?
My rebbeim cringed at music which was much milder than this. I’ve discussed this with people who truly understand music. There’s a chachmah to music, it’s not purely subjective.
I dont know that it is DY i was just posing what i felt is the essential question of this thread.
I think we can dismiss that possibility, and maybe discuss whether a Yid appearing on a TV show which presumably has content which is not to the Torah’s standard (I’ve never seen it, but it’s probably the case) is definitely the opposite of a kiddush Hashem.
A man tells us that his friend, a ben Torah in his fifties with a large family of older children, once asked if he could come up to his office to download Shas from the computer onto a CD. The man readily agreed.
The next morning, at about 6 AM, when the owner came back to work, he noticed that the light in the window was on. He was sure that his friend had left it on by mistake. When he entered the office, his shock knew no bounds when he found his friend still sitting at the computer, glued to the screen. The ben Torah blushed and mumbled some excuse about having problems with the downloading and how everything took much longer than expected. He excused himself and left the office.
Sam2,
I’m not arguing how big a tzaddik Matisyahu is or isn’t. What I’m saying is that if you go by the theory that the music is a product of the person who composed or performed it, IF in fact a composer/performer leaves the fold, it’s likely that he was harboring such thoughts even before it was externally manifested.
There’s a book recently published, Through Music and Song-Music from a Torah Perspective by Rabbi Elysha Sandler which discusses the idea in a rational, sourced manner.
I personally have no idea at what level Matisyahu is, nor do I care to discuss it, but I will say that in my opinion, listening to that musical style is not good for the neshamah.
Sam2,
Maybe iglaei milsa…
I think the question we have to answer is, is it all right to make it appear that orthodox jews can be like “regular folk” in other words is it a kiddush hashem to make non jews or unafilliated jews say wow that kid is cool it just so happens he wears a yarmulke.
That may make some people feel good, but why is it a kiddush Hashem?
Oomis,
I emailed Manischewitz, and they responded that Mishpacha chocalate chips are nut free.
Neither. Since he is 12 years old he isn’t a bar-mitzva and by definition is patur from mizvos, although his parents have a chiyuv to be mechanech him in mitzvos.
You’re addressing whether or not he gets the blame or credit. The issue being discussed, however, is whether there is a kiddush Hashem, or chalilah the opposite, being created.
Hoe about saying, “excuse me”?
yitzyshalom,
Now we know why the mods didn’t allow your posts.
What you call “being extra chumradik on various specific halachot” include things which are by no means chumros “that the haredim decided are most important”, rather, basic halacha.
Your statement that “Being dati is accepting the 13 ani ma’amims; accepting the torah and the talmud” has a glaring omission. You didn’t mention that actually keeping the laws included in the Torah and the Talmud is necessary to be considered “dati”.
I just checked Mostly Music’s Facebook page and didn’t see that.
The page you saw (Mostly-Music) is a fan page and is not controlled by Mostly Music. The official page (MostlyMusicFB) was deactivated so you didn’t see it.
I expect that dash is correct, although I couldn’t check, because social networking is not allowed by my filter (as per my instructions to the company that administrates it).
The article which I posted was copied from a different website.
DY: Even access from a place of business is supposed to be limited to use for business purposes only.
As opposed to… (YWNCR?)
Now, if someone is wasting his employer’s time, that’s obviously wrong. But if someone already has internet access which allows MM, do you really think any rov is going to have an issue with him downloading some Yossel’e Rosenblatt albums during his break? I don’t.
But if you do, I would have expected you not to visit YWN either, and certainly not to post in the CR.
Voldemort,
Why do you assume that Mostly Music’s website can only be accessed from home, and not a place of business?
So which people are now going to use mostly music? the ones who have internet at home for business purposes? If so, mostly music falls under the category of “business use” in what sense.
I don’t understand your question.
Kudos to Mostly Music!
The following post appears on the Mostly Music Facebook page:
To our dear loyal mostlymusic costumers & followers:
Here at Mostly Music, we really appreciate you, & your loyalty to us! But we also respect you, and want to do well by you in every way.
A father relates:
A man told us:
I always wondered about my neighbor who had teenagers in the house and a computer with internet access. I actually liked the fact that when I needed internet access from time to time I could go to his house and use his computer. However, I often took the father to task, warning him about the dangers of the internet, and questioning his awareness of the perils it posed in a home. He always waved my concerns away, assuring me that he knew all about how to protect his children. He was himself computer-savvy and controlled the amount of time they spent on it. He would also explain that his children were good, ehrlich and obedient and were not even interested in the bad stuff. In short, they would not be hurt by the computer.
A young man relates:
rarely-used basement.
Now it was all mine. Over the next few years, I wasted countless hours sitting at that computer. I spent many hours with that old computer and tried to fix it myself on countless occasions, and with time I became a real expert in computers. Today, my skill has led me to become a computer technician. My father did not dream, at least not until after my wedding, that this is what his actions had brought me to. But for me, it was a real lesson about how one can never be too careful. Though he had decided to take the warnings to heart and throw the computer out, it was already too late. I had found a way to outsmart him.
A woman relates:
Years ago when I was in school, we had computers on which we learned to us various programs like Word, Excel, etc. Several students, 16- and 17-year-old girls, came up with a way to connect the computers to the internet. Incredibly this occurred in one of our heimishe schools.
The school administration is probably still unaware of this incident.
Wow! There are like 50 things on that list. Is their system so poorly run?
To make a fair determination, you’d have to know the total number of items they certify. If they certify hundreds of thousands of products (which the OU claims they do), 50 might not be too bad.
50 is also a gross exaggeration. Most of those are not OU, and some are that the certification is missing, not wrong.
This OU alert
The CRC alert was about an OK product (although this discussion started about the OU).