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To those who are grasping to a fantasy that one or more of the “cases” filed by the Trumpkopf will quickly end up at the Supreme Court, which will grant their request (however defined) to exclude millions of votes and award the election to Trumpkopf, get over it. He MIGHT get two votes (Alito and Thomas) and possibly a third but Roberts and Barrett actually do care about their reputations and legacy. Thats five votes. I also hopeful either Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (more likely the former) will also reject the Trump arguments.
Health: There is something called Rule 11 under the Federal Rules of Procedure. An attorney has an obligation to affirm the accuracy/veracity of any reps he makes in a filing. Rudy can play word games at a press conference held outside an adult book store in suburban Philly…..not in a federal district courtroom. If you really think SCOTUS would take an appeal of this case, you need to take a refresher course in Con law and appellate procedure. I doubt that the 3d Cir would take it seriously much less SCOTUS.
I took a mental health break for a day or two hoping that even the few stubborn Trumkopf voices would finally realize the absolute insanity of what they were saying in the face of what are now roughly 20-25 adverse court decisions from both Republican and Democratic-appointed judges. The coup de grace’ was yesterday’s circus presented in Federal District Court in Pennsylvania by Rudy the Clown.
The Judge wisely allowed Rudy to rant for nearly 40 minutes on conspiracy theories at a national and global level without once ever presenting specific evidence of “fraud”. Finally, the judge begin asking some pointed legal questions about which standard of evidence should apply. The “normal one” responded Rudy, seemingly unable to understand the Judge’s question. Then he claimed that the Trump election observers were denied the “opacity” they were constituionally entitled to. When the Judge inquired whether he really meant “opacity” Rudy affirmed only to be call it “a big word” when the Judge explained it meant exactly the opposite of what he meant. Finally, when an exasperated Judge pushed Rudy to provide evidence to support his “fraud” allegations under statute, Rudy chastised the jduge for focusing on the documents filed by the Trump team rather than his verbal exposition in the courtroom. Once Rudy acknowledged there was no evidence of fraud, he cancelled tomorrow’s evidentiary hearing and seems prepared to rule by the end of the week.Health: I’ve seen all the movies about yidden and the X’tian moishiach. Trust me, it doesn’t end well for us. I’ll continue to take my signals from the guys running up and down Eastern Parkway waving yellow flags.
Yes. Yes. and Yes.
Trump voters reluctant to acknowledge their support and traditional polling metrics and procedures are obsolete. They don’t accurately select “likely voters” from both sides and their sampling universe misses “cord-cutters” who no longer have a landline phone. Finally, questions are unlikely to yield accurate responses.
Other than the foregoing problems, they are great sources of useless informationLibbi; Chanukah comes before Purim. Be patient. There will be a time soon for ad’shelo’yada.
SE2015: Agree with respect to the “disappearing middle” of the electorate and in Congress. We are more polarized than ever in recent times (even here in the CR). Not sure is there is a clear path to bridge the gap, or at least not clear for now.
Its over in Pennsylvania. Apparently, Rudy “secret” strategy is to have the team restrict their pleadings to those that pass the laugh test. Earlier this evening, their Pennsylvania counsel amended their filing in federal district court removing the primary allegations that election officials violated the Trump campaign’s constitutional rights by limiting the ability of their observers to watch votes being counted and demanding that 600,000 Biden votes be invalidated. That leaves only the allegation that some Democratic-leaning counties may have allowed some voters to fix errors on their mail ballots. Republicans acknowledge that even if that could be proven (which it has not) it would only affect from several hundred to 3,000 votes statewide…not even close to having a material affect on outcomes.
I suspect their “secret” legal strategy will be a פארבלאנדזשעט allegation of a NATIONWIDE conspiracy involving the election officials of 28 states (more than half controlled by Republicans) and the DNC to have their election software ” change” millions of Trump votes to Biden. This coming days after Trump’s own Director of Computer Security at HHS declares that there were NO significant hacking or software issues that affected the election.
Does anyone recall the day the circus came to town and they paraded the elephants and clowns from the train station to the fairgrounds and there were those guys in the back of the parade with brooms and shovels. I feel sorry for the poor young lawyers who are wondering why they went to law school only to have to be marching at the end of this parade to nowhere.CommonSaychel: I think it does….spending $$$ with NO MESSAGE other than fear of the other guys was not going flip senate seats in historically red states or even hold moderate House seats in purple districts. The DEMS fortunately pulled back enough suburban votes to flip a few states where people voted AGAINST Trump rather than FOR Biden. That strategy didn’t work when the target was a lackluster Republican congressional candidate who didn’t benefit from Biden’s coattails since there were no coattails.
So the Trumpkopf just tweeted that most of the dozen or so losing lawsuits that had been filed thusfar seeking to invalidate the results, block certification of Biden wins etc. (and thrown out or rejected by federal and state courts) “WERE NOT OURS”. Instead, he now says that the world’s greatest litigator, Crazy Rudy (aka Guiliani) will “soon” begin filing their cases and the Courts will then reverse the Biden win as unconstitutional and declare the Trumpkopf as the winner. In his interview today on Fox News, Crazy Rudy insisted he could not disclose his secret evidence that will be filed this week and reverse the outcome in all the key states. Stay tuned!!
Neither side offered a “positive” outlook for America. Red warned of the “darkening of America” with demographic changes translated into BLM/Antifah/Hispanic gang violence and massive wealth transfers from Whites to minorities. Blue warned of government takeover by Fascism, white supremacists etc. with loss of basic freedoms, denial of access to basic health care, housing etc. for tens of millions of Americans who aren’t part of the Stock Market winners Trump uses to measure “success”.
FEAR has always been weaponized by BOTH sides in our electoral processes but never to the extent and with the success we have seen in the past year.My kids were asking me whether the Trumpkopf actually believes any of the craziness he is tweeting and assuming its all part of his marketing schtick to keep the MAGA and Trump brands energized with his followers, when will he realize it may go too far and push the country over the edge into the abyss.
Sad part is that I don’t know the answer to either question. Perhaps others here know ending to this horror movie.The next Tweetlach from our fearless leader:
“OUR great vaccines should go first to those who can PROVE they voted for ME (at least once). Only if there are any doses left over or beyond the expiration date, should those CROOKED, ANTIFA LOVING, AMERICA HATING Dems, be offered an opportunity to be vaccinated with my magic cure vaccine that will make the China Virus disappear” .Both parties have several young members of Congress and governors who have not found it necessary to indulge the fringe elements of their party but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of support these days for moderation or centrist positions. The Trumpkopfs will be fortunate if they have not been jailed by 2024 but here are guys like Tom Cotton and Matt Hawley who are sufficiently intelligent and far-right socially to be possible candidates. There are also some serious Dems but they will have a hard time fighting off demands that Kamela is somehow “entitled” to the nomination.
Yeshivos won’t be treated any differently from any other “private” school under a Biden administration. They are likely to limit funding for “vouchers” that directly divert funds from public school systems but unlikely to limit funding progarms for religious school security, special-ed etc. where the courts have held do NOT raise Church-State/establishment clause issues. The biggest concern for yeshivas and all private schools will be the occasional efforts of local mayors and state governors such as DeBlasio/Cuomo who come up with some really stupid and dysfunctional programs.
Breaking News: Techiyas Hamaysim NOT. Two of the four “deceased” voters who Trump’s lawyers claimed in sworn affidavits had “returned” and voted in the Georgia elections came forward in the past 48 hours and filed court papers claiming that they were NOT niftar. One, in fact, was an elderly woman cited by Tucker Carlson on Fox but had to “correct” himself (I give him credit for that) after it was revealed she voted as “Mrs. Yankel Gavornlik” (which is how she is registered). Poor yankel was niftar but she wasn’t . Another great example of intensive legal due diligence by Trumps legal geniuses led by Crazy Rudy. (Note: Names were changed here for effect).
Its OVER.
Sheldon Adelson’s newspaper in Nevada (Las Vegas Review), one of the most pro-Trump in the country, just published an editorial telling Trump to stop making baseless assertions about election fraud and acknowledge that Biden won.
“Trump’s continued claims of pervasive voter fraud “does a disservice to his more rabid supporters” because the idea is “simply false.”
I think it may take another few days for other Republican heavyweights to realize this circus has gone on for too long and is going to hurt the country. Biden is smart to not push the issue for now and simply move on as best he can with transition planning.Whatever this guy may have originally said, “recanted” or “recanted his recant”, is irrelevant since the postal investigators interviewed both the manager who was alleged to have order the backdating of postmark dates and other postal workers in that Erie PA post office have no clue what this guy is talking about and deny any such directive. Nor has anyone else come forward with ANY corroborating evidence of fraud at that location. (or any other postal location) other than “late” ballots (most probably for Biden) delayed by post office ineptness.
Jackk: The impeachment will have to wait until after your guys retake the House in 2022 since thats where any impeachment inquiry has to originate. Fortunately, you will have a good script to follow, should you decide to go down that rabbit hole. Just substitute “Hunter” for “Don Jr.” and “Ukraine” for “Russia” and perhaps find a more credible guy than a former Ohio wrestling coach who has denied allegations of ignoring abuse allegations against his athletes as your lead spokesperson.
Instead of those silly red “MAGA” baseball hats perhaps something a bit more fashionable such as a beige or mauve Borselino with the inscription “See U in ’22” or if you want to be really in your face, big shtreimelach with a “XXX PETA” logo.Have we seen this movie before???
“Most autocrats defy voters before they even vote, excluding real rivals from the ballot and swamping the airwaves with one-sided coverage. But when they do hold genuinely competitive votes and the result goes against them, they often ignore the result, denouncing it as the work of traitors, criminals and foreign saboteurs, and therefore invalid….”
U.S. State Department Report on Human Rights Violations
RebE: Do you mean the Vilmington Gaon??
A “lockdown” by definition will result in subjective determinations of open/close for various facilities similarly situated and is 100 percent certain to yield some seemingly arbitrary outcomes (aka liquor stores open while seforim stores closed). The bottom line is that no one has come with a simple, administratively workable set of lockdown rules that is universally perceived as fair and effective. They are very crude short-term tools to substantially reduce the total number of potential social interactions and viral transmissions versus the number that would result absent such rules, while still allowing vital commerce to occur. Our society will never accept a China-style lockdown enforced by the military or Singapore style lockdown where everyone is tracked via cellphone. With 50 states setting different rules, and much intrastate variation, the enforcement of U.S. lockdowns will be “messy” and inconsistent.
What happened to the author of the OP? Is he now posting under a new name (e.g. “JoseephBismoishiach”) or is he being held captive by dark forces in some basement in suburban Delaware?
Get used to it. The spending will grow exponentially although much of it will be reallocated from traditional print and broadcast media to micro-targeted electronic=/social media. I don’t see any of the six Republican SCOTUS appointees reversing Citizens United which opened the floodgates to unlimited political spending.
“Why did Trump lose”??
Search the YWN archives for the past 3.5 years for every thread with Trump’s name on it. If still in doubt, we can arrange a private therapy session with some of the CR naviim who predicted this outcome for the past several months.Witheld: We have a long-tradition in this country of civilian leadership of the military. However, in multiple interviews with military leaders after retirement and in some cases prior to their confirmation, leaders from all branches including former members of the JCS have added the caveat of obeying LAWFUL orders from the commander in chief. Gen. Mattis made clear he would never allow the use of torture, even if ordered by Trump who advocated its use during the campaign. A retired branch chief who served on the JCS indicated he would disregard any order to use chemical weapons outlawed under treaties to which the U.S. was a signatory. I have no doubt the current leaders of our armed forces would obey a stupid directive to continue allowing Confederate names on military installations even as Congress appears likely to require the names be changed. However, an order to nuke downtown Tehran (which presumably has no strategic military value and result in millions of civilian casualties) would be summarily ignored by the generals with the nuclear codes and any attempt to pressure subordinates would trigger even Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment.
No, but I did notice TrumPP appointing some groupies who’ve appeared on Fox News to leadership posts. Several of the resignations had been announced PRIOR to the election by those who simply couldn’t stand the politicization of national security decisions. Fortunately, the uniformed senior leadership of the military have “contingency plans” should they try to do something really stupid.
How will President Biden deal with a divided America?’
1. Tell the truth and provide clear and unambiguous support for your assertions.
2. Acknowledge the concerns of those who disagree with you rather than demonizing them
3. Scale back the unrealistic expectations of your own supporters in terms of both what can get done and how long it will take to achiveve those goals within the framework of a divided government.Slim…..and eating them without first saying a ‘mazonos’ or anything…clear violation of Pennsylvania statutes and the special set of sheva miztvos applicable to goiyehse election workers.
Sadly, in several of these states, it will be a few days before the first procedural hearings where the presiding judge or magistrate will grant motion for summary dismissal. While popular votes don’t count, someone needs to remind the Trumpkopf that he there is a 5 million vote losing margin, in addition to about 50 or 60 electoral votes.Health: At least Banana Republics have some minimum standards with respect to how stupid their claims can be. When you have Crazy Rudy running the circus, there are no standards. So you now claim based on uTube that this postal worker who first signed the weirdest affidavit in legal history (clearly drafted by a graduate of an elite online law school) claiming the manager of the Erie Pennsylvania post office ordered him and dozens of other postal workers to “backdate” ballots to make them appear they arrived on time. He was the only postal worker with the courage to come forward and tell the truth but then Jim Comey showed up with a bunch of FBI agents and ANTIFA hoods and made him recant his allegations. Sounds totally reasonable to me.
So the Pennsylvania postal worker in Erie who signed the affidavit that Crazy Rudy ranted about at his new conference claiming that the postal supervisor ordered backdating of Biden ballots recanted his allegations when questioned today by government investigators. Not clear if he has mental health problems or was simply trying to gain attention. Also, the head of the HHS Office responsible for monitoring computer hacking and security said the the rumors spread by some of the Trumkopfs about software used in many state elections automatically switching votes from Trump to Biden was a “hoax” and had no validity. ‘
I suspect we will have to wait for another week or so before the Repubicans simply run out of conspiracy theories. Tonight, a state legislator in Michigan is claiming that one vote counter was “eating” ballots when the poll watchers were taking a break so as to hide any evidence. Stay tuned!Charlie/Emes: Its sad to watch the Trumpkopfs flailing around feeling helpless about the outcome. No benefit in trying to engage in a rational argument with someone going through the sequential stages of grieving. I’m reasonably confident it will resolve itself within the next week or 10 days as the initial court decisions reject this novel theory of shoot first aim later. Trial courts generally assume that plaintiffs bring their cases AFTER having established material evidence of fraud or other violation of statute rather than throwing up a lot of heresay and anecdotal assertions and saying its the business of the courts, media, etc. to drill down on those vague allegations.
What you call “the frum crowd” should have been equally alarmed about a much longer list of how Trump has defiled the office of the President, engaged in virtually nonstop hateful and racist rhetoric and bullying from the moment he took the oath of office and jeopardized America’s relationship with our closest allies. If lining up a bunch of minivans on the Garden State Parkway and honking horns shows “support” by the “frum crowd” for this behavior, than perhaps thats not where the “frum” crowd should be. There were many other viable Republican political leaders who could have achieved most of Trump’s positive policy outcomes you cite without leaving an everlasting stench in the oval office. i
“A home owner is presumed to be out for the night if he is staying with his daughter [but not with his son, as an argument with the daughter-in-law may cause him to come back home to sleep.”
?? Could you explain. ThanksI think we should follow the lead of R’ Biden and give the Trumpies some “space” to gracefully rant and rave about the election being “stolen” and let the reality of their loss sink in without us (including moi’ ) rubbing it in . The traditional notion of multiple stages of grieving are applicable here so the denial, lashing out etc. are to be expected. Hopefully by Tu B’shvat we will all be one happy CR family virtually singing the Lipa Schmeltzer verson of Kumbayah.
Reb E: Agree that the data on tipping is anecdotal and subjective. I’m basing it on just one study published by researchers for a major credit card processing company which presumably used randomized data and guesstimates of the gender of the cardholder based on first names. Also, I’m not sure the inyanim that some bring down regarding feminine generosity really make a definitive point one way or the other.
“So expect verbal onslaught of trash and sharp objects”
I was looking for some virtual tin foil hats with sharp points but I already exhausted my supply of party hats and groggers motzi shabbos in celebrating the geulah from Trump. Would a virtual spam of jpg files containing an autographed photo of the Donald with his buddy Kim Jong-un sharing a bowl of kimchee deter you from further promoting the votegate hoax? Here in the CR we are admonished not to use the types of “trash” more typically thrown by the Peleg demonstrators and their ilk.I also think “generosity” is more embedded in women’s DNA then men. The notion that “male” tazdikim are the only ones earning their money honestly is another bubba meisa.
Fake News Alert:
1. Talk to any or your kids who may have worked as servers in a restaurant or other job where tipping is prevalent. That women are by far the better tippers is supported by a study by a major credit card company (google”tipping” and “men versus women”). Specifically, women are better tippers than men and baby boomers are more generous tippers than millennials,
2. These days, even in segments of the frum tzibur, women are as likely to contribute to household income as men so the sexist notion that men are more reluctant to part with money because they work so hard to earn it is a bubba meisa.If some of the CR regulars would take time to review the election results at the state and local level, you will see that the Democratic vote was considerably stronger for moderate candidates and more conservative referendum positions than for far left candidates and policies. Major exception was in Washington D.C. where 92 percent voted for Biden but 86 percent also voted to legalize hallucinogenic mushrooms with a good hashgacha. (OK, maybe not with the hashgacha angle). In fairness, the D.C. mayor opposed the legalization.
Emes: I was obviously being somewhat irreverent with my “whats wrong with Nancy as “acting president” comment given the heartburn the though of Joe moving into the oval office seems to be causing our Repubican friends.
Another important question: WHERE IS MIKE?? Now that we’ve found Hunter (he was on stage motzi shabbos for the Biden celebration in Wilmington), the search team has gone looking for VP Pence. He hasn’t been seen in public since election night and hasn’t been part of the “Stop the counting (except where I’m winning) Circus being orchestrated by the Trumpkopf and Guiliani). Most recent report is that he is hiding out at some luxury resort at a private island off the Florida coast with no internet access). Perhaps he is trying to retain a sliver of credibility for a 2024 primary run against Tucker Carlson and Don Jr.
“this whole thing could get caught up in congress and there would not end up being a president certified, meaning that Pelosi would be acting president until it is figured out”
And whats wrong with that??
A large percentage of the MO tzibur outside of NYC metro area (and I suspect a modest percentage in NYC) are actually quite moderate in their politics although leaning Democratic. There are relatively few in the JStreet/AOC/Bernie wing of the party. This past election actually reinforced the moderate wing of the party since it is clear from election results around the country that there is little support for the most extreme progressive views and Republicans actually did much better then expected at the state level. Look at the results of several statewide referendums in California if you have any doubts.
JackK: There apparently were a lot of cancellations for the inauguration over the weekend at the Trump Hotel at 11th and Pennsylvania Avenue (don’t miss the irony of the street name). Some really good grandstand viewing areas for the parade are right in front of the lobby exit but the best location is a few blocks north on 15th Street (near Old Ebbitt Grill) where by tradition, Biden will get our of his Limo and walk the last 3 blocks to the reviewing stand in front of the WH. Sadly, there will be no Inaugural Balls this year because of Covid concerns. If you are coming down to D.C. for the Shabbos before the events, you can walk from the Trump Hotel up to the Chabad shul near Dupont Circle and daven with the Kushners (for their last Shabbos in D.C.)
Someone asked me a question that others in the CR may be better able to answer. Does the frum tzibur in EY vote in strict accordance with the directives of their rabbonim more so than here in the U.S.? It would seem to depend more what is meant by “frum tzibur”. I would guess there is more “block voting” among chassideshe voters following their rebbe rather than among Litvish voters but I have no way of confirming that.
Yes, we care at lot but not all of us share the same priorities. And no, we don’t think the goyim will be “throwing us out” of the U.S. anytime soon. As to Canada, they were planning to build their own version of the wall to keep out Americans seeking to escape another 4 years of the Trumpkopf.