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Even the unsolicited shaimos (a pet peeve of mine)?

If I don’t open it…..

Al Pi Rov, there is no Shaimos.

Daniel Rosen: I suggest that you, who knows the Da’as of why people do things, should complain. Myself, who is trying to be Dan LKaf Zechus and doesn’t claim to be a “Yodeah Machashavos”, will leave it alone.

All Tzedaka mailings to our home get filed directly into the circular filing cabinet.

There are Halachos in SA as per whom you are supposed to give Tzedaka. A mailing does not change these Halachos.

I read Rav Lichtenstien’s article on the future of “Centrist Orthodoxy”, where he defines what he considers the 5 points that distinguish “centrist orthodoxy”. (He means MO.) I considered it a pretty good summation of the issue, and I’d say if you agree with those 5, then you are MO.

PBA: Would you mind please summarizing those points here? I’m curious to see how many (if any) of them I would agree with.

Thanks.

But I also feel, that if it does happen, the best case scenario would be that the child becomes educated and becomes a productive member of society, as opposed to just wasting away like I’m sure we have all witnessed.

I see your point from a completely different angle.

We have 613 Mitzvos in the Torah + 7 D’rabbanan. Each time a mitzva is done (whether Bain Adam L’Makom or Bain Adam L’Chavairo) it is a Zechus and a fulfillment of Hashem’s word. If someone is “OTD”, they may very possibly be doing more mitzvos and be “better” in Hashem’s book than someone who is “officially” On the Derech, but cheats others, hurts his wife, etc. Part of Hashem’s Torah is to be kind, not cheat, be honest, honor your parents, etc. It is not a Zero-sum equation. A non-Frum Jew who eats Kosher this one time instead of Traif, or deals honestly in business instead of cheating, or joins the family for the Seder & eats Matza (even if he will eat Chometz the next day) will get incredible Zechusim in Shomayim for those acts.

With that idea in mind, it is obvious that someone who made an honest life for themselves is doing more of what Hashem wants

than someone who is “on the streets”.

That’s very difficult to say when the pasuk explicitly states that the manner of death penalty for the Shabbos desecrator was not explicitly stated.

I’m not sure what you mean by “that”. Would you mind expounding a bit?

The Torah says ” ???????????? ?????, ????????????: ???? ??? ??????, ???-????????? ???.”

The Gemorah explains in BB 119A:

????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ????? (???? ??) ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????

Assuming Torah Chasumah Nitna, that means Moshe knew the Mikoshsh should get skilah, but was unsure if the din was “ready” to be applied, as Hashem did not yet “officially” tell him.

A similar question would have come up if a bird’s nest was found during the time the Beni Yisroel were in the Midbar. Since the Parsha of Shiluach Haken was not yet officially said, Moshe would not have been able to tell the BY to do the mitzva.

Which death penalty to give to the Sabbath desecrator

Inheritence when there are daughter(s) but no sons

The gemorah discusses each of these cases, IIRC (Megalgalin). From what I have learned, according to the Shittah of Torah Chasumah Nitna (that we are assuming), the question was one of applicability (meaning if the Halacha as will be tought should be applied at that point), not of knowledge.

Talmud: 2 points:

1: Not all Halacha was given at Sinai (wait before you call me a Kofer). New cases which did not exist come up, and being a Posek Halacha is working the process of how to pasken and where to place the question. A perfect example of this is the “Shabbos Mode” ovens which the Star-K allows to be adjusted on Yom Tov.

2: Already at the time of Yehoshua, many Halachos were forgotten. You have to remember that the TSBP was transmitted orally, which is ripe for breeding mistakes. Many times in the Gemorah we have two talmidim who say the exact opposite B’shem their Rebbe, while their Rebbe only held one opinion.

YW Moderator-73: Fair enough.

Thank you.

All it TAKES. Just helping w/ the editing 🙂

Thanks, or should I say thansk 🙂

GAW, look in the “Chafets Chaim” for the definition of a Talmud Chocham.

Circular logic. Who is “Raui L’Horos”?

Rabbi Avi Weiss? Rabbi Malkiel Kotler? Rabbi Norman Lamm? Rabbi Yitzchak Elchonon Spektor? Rabbi Abaye?

talmud: I did for editing.

I hear, but disagree. Eretz Yisroel could use all the support it can get.

While there is indeed some grey area about where the issur of being mevazeh tamlidai chachamim is said, I think we all agree that it does not include being mevazeh Saul Lieberman and does include being mevazeh the entire Moetzes.

“We” obviously don’t.

What if I don’t think he’s a talmid chacham? Why do I need to show respect for someone I don’t respect at all?

The difference is that I did not in any way disparage the D”L.

Sure you did. That you don’t realize it makes it worse.

“We are so much better than you. You rely on hetairim and we never would, because only we are Torah True (TM) Jews”.

I’m just judging the facts as I see them. IIRC (and I could be wrong), Rav Chaim said something similar about the Charaidi system not being set up to withstand questions to Emunah or the outside world. Rav Dessler certainly said the system is set up as such. So at least I have a backup in Rav Dessler.

Intersting that one side of the debate keeps bringing up money, and insisting that is what the other is all about, when the other doesn’t mention it at all.

Being that the entire change between the new and old law is financial, I would have thought that money would figure more prominently in the discussion. In fact, in the Ami article about the new law, the Charaidim (and I forget who it was specifically) said he expects the US Yidden to make up the financial difference, so there will be no loss of Torah learning (and if that happens (for example, Lakewood merges with the Mir and moves to Yerushalayim), I would be thrilled. As opposed to others, I am not interested in the Charaidim joining the army.).

Actually, the Charaidim just won’t rely on the vast majority of the heterim that the D”L will.

To quote:

Actually, they’re just paskening what they honestly believe to be the truth. Is it so hard to accept that somebody just honestly disagrees with you? Why do you have to assume the worst and sink to such disparagement?

🙂

And your answer will be:

I know. That is unfortunate 🙁

Joe: How many is that in the past week? You are going to run out of letter combinations!!

even though, if you believe in the Torah, this Israeli Gov. is committing Suicide.

There are a number of reasons why this is incorrect. The main reason (IMHO) is that the current Bizayon HaTorah will end once every single Charaidi is no longer assumed to be a learner for life. This will increase Kavod HaTorah, Kavod Shomayim and (together with the increased Achdus) will be a net gain in the Zechusim for Klal Yisroel.

Hamevazeh talmeidai chachomim, ein lahem chelek li’olam haba…

So when you are Mevaze “Rabbi” Saul Lieberman, you have no Chelek? It is nice to spout terms without knowing the consequences of your thoughts, in your haste to support “the Gedolim”.

What the Israeli Chareidim refuse to do is to go to the army, because they find it a spiritually dangerous environment.

I agree with this. The Charaidi education system is so poor that while the Rav Kook Chardal sector of Israel has no problem with the Army, the Charaidim would all go off the Derech if they joined. It says much about the shallowness of Charaidi emunah.

We actually see this in this sad story. The Charaidim (by that, I mean the askanim and those who run the society, not those like Rav Chaim who want nothing other than to sit and learn all day without distraction) “placed their trust” in politics instead of the Ribbono Shel Olam. This is the result.

I would have become Christian.

Strangely enough, you (at least on this site) are eccentric enough that it wouldn’t shock me if either:

1: You already are

2: You really mean that

3: You just want to see what reactions you will get

4: You are really bored today

So which one is it? 😉

ROB: Bobov says it 🙂