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PBA – I enjoyed your back & forth, but you’re still wrong.
Just maybe the OP is crazy and will listen to you!
I hope noone goes by these comments.
You should ask your Rav.
I always thought it was permitted to put s/o on hospice, but when I was in the nursing home, a friend told me, who owns a hospice company, that it is almost Never permitted in NJ. (According to Halacha.)
Other states – it depends what it says in the Law!
Syag – Not only did Yershayim not prepare for natural disasters, neither does NYC. IHMO, Gov. will spend $ on art, but not on
saving lives!
OOmis – While you make some points, you left out some.
A lot of times, it’s not the man’s or the woman’s
fault, but of other’s who mix in!
Getzel – I don’t know about Twitter, but listening to Scanners Is not the same thing as transmitting on two-way radios.
eclipse – Thank you.
The Goq & Syag – Thank you.
SaysMe – I don’t know for what. But Mochel Loch etc.
HaLeiVi & miritchka – Thanks.
Thanks – Nechomah.
Sharp – I not better yet. I in a nursing home.
Well I guess you’re the only one who missed me. I’ve been sick.
Did anyone miss me?
JF02 -“Before everyone jumps on me for commenting on this thread, I grew up in Baltimore”
Now I know why you’re vegan. Kosher Byte and Royale don’t have the best meals around – so you went Vegan. You don’t remember the old Liebes, just like the East Side delis.
Naftush -“There’s no need to set up a victimization contest between those countries and Europe.”
It’s Not a contest -whether you admit it or Not, Jews were much worse in Xitian countries then they were in Muslim countries.
Stop with the Zionist propaganda that all Muslims are bad. No Jews ever thought all Xitians are bad because most Jews from Europe ran to America before and after WWII.
“And Jews were not treated “fine” in EI under the Turks.”
More Zionist propaganda/lies. Do you have any proof to your statement? I had relatives living during that time and it was pretty good. Let me ask you something -how many Jews were killed in Palestine during the Ottoman empire? Now, how many Jews were killed in Israel because of Zionism imperialism?
JF02 -“Now what do you think is going to happen?”
Why don’t you read the post I just wrote to RF? Why do you expect me to answer the same arguments that I’ve answered time & again? Go read ALL my previous posts. I posted many times that you can’t give the land to the so-called “Palestinians”. I also posted there has to be guarantees Not just from Turkey, but also from other Countries and monitors that will provide for the Jews’ safety.
rationalfrummie -“the grand mufti of jerushalayim yimach shmo was a big supporter of hitler yimach shmo.”
Ya’see the problem with the Zionists who post here and probably all Zionists is that you don’t even pay attention to what the other side is saying because you are so attached to the Zionist propaganda. All the points about Zionism has been brought up in the CR time & time again, but you Zionists keep arguing the same points over and over again. I previously posted historical facts about the Mufti – that his hatred to Jews started because he found out about the Zionist ambitions to take over Palestine.
rationalfrummie -“He realized that the Jews needed a safe place.”
Umm – Question of the day – So why didn’t they go to Uganda?
Why pick on EY to promote their Kefira? And don’t tell me many Gedolim held Zionism was a Mitzva. I guarantee you Not one Godol held this brand of Zionism was anything but Kefira.
periwinkle -“And that, Health, is the problem with blogs. The casual informality, the use of first names when you don’t know someone at all, no rules, not knowing what is the proper behavior and what is a chumrah. On a blog, everything goes! Including respect.”
You missed my point. My point was there is no Inyan to talk in third person regarding Rosh Hayeshivos in any other venue than directly towards him. And even this is a Chumra, not Halacha.
So instead of grasping my point -you belittled blogs. Whether it’s a blog, newspaper, magazine or whatever, there is no reason to use the third person. Taking a respectful Chumra and applying wherever you feel like and then putting down those who see no reason to apply the Chumra everywhere is why some people should stay away from Chumras. It leads to Gaiva and Sinas Chinum.
periwinkle -“(You wrote “like a relative of his”. FYI, one does not refer to a Rosh Yeshiva with a pronoun – he, his. It is “the Rosh Yeshiva.” This is true for all Roshei Yeshiva. It is a matter of respect.)”
Speaking in third person to a Rosh Hayeshiva is respectful. Definitely don’t have to do it refering to him on a blog. And even directly if one doesn’t do it -it’s Not Chutzpa. This is in the Geder of L’fney Meshuras Hadin. What tends to happen in our generation (and I see this all the time) is when we confuse Chumras with Dinim -we equate the two and sometimes become lax in the actual Dinim.
MCP -“Perhaps instead of complaining that the army will force frum teens off the derech, time should be spent preparing them for the trials they will face instead of hiding them from the real world.
Just a thought.”
Here is another thought: I was thinking about trials (“trials” as in court cases for draft evading) ever since this new Gov. got into power with Lapid in and the Charedim out. I thought how will the Charedim get out of being drafted and not going to jail? But now I’m begining to see the probable light at the end of the tunnel. With the new ongoing peace talks -the present Gov. will collapse. There probably will be elections and whomever the next Gov. is – the Charedim will be part of it. They will join either the right or the left, with the stipulation of No Frum draft and reinstatement of money to Yeshivos. If they join the right then Israel won’t have to go back to the ’67 borders. If they join the left then Israel will go back to the ’67 borders.
Simple answer. The two of them want to be identified as minorities. Why? Because ever since the US embarked on Affirmative Action – it’s much better to be a minority as far as having rights in this country goes. But you see from this story that African Americans are considered a more important class than Hispanics. No cases of self-defense are prosecuted by State Attorneys and looked into by the Feds for civil rights violations.
periwinkle -“Yeshiva Bais Medrash and Mesivta in Baltimore is commonly known as Reb Slanger’s yeshiva. You do not choose between Ner Yisroel and Reb Slanger’s yeshiva.”
And why not? You sound like a relative of his. He was running the Mechina (as Mashchiach) for many years so I highly doubt it changed that much since he left.
jbaldy22 -“@Health
have you ever learned any history?
If you want a more Jewish perspective read R’ Berel Wein. You would not be making comments like this if you had. There are other wonderful frum Jewish historians who can enlighten you – you seem to have fallen in to the trap of believing things because you want them to be true.”
Actually, I don’t want to be enlightened like you. The reason so many American Jews are Zionists, because esp. in the MO schools, they pushed the Zionist propaganda.
“Your knowledge (or lack there of) of Turkish politics is similarly amusing.”
Your lack of Zionist history and their utter failure to Torah Jews is simply very sad!
“Also how is the fogel story (hy”d) zionist propoganda? They do have a different culture which places a very different valuation on human life. Learn a bit about the history of Islam and how it developed and you might be singing a very different tune.”
I actually know the history of Islam. And where did I mention anything about the Fogels? You are a classic Zionist – only pointing to the evils of the arabs. Did you ever think what caused this hatred to Jews? Inspite of the lies that they always were like this -they weren’t. The Zionists caused this hate by creating the State of Israel.
jewishfeminist02 -“You are being simplistic. Calling something “propaganda” just because you don’t like it does not make it untrue.”
I’m calling it propaganda, not because I don’t like it, but because they are lies!
“The Palestinian leadership IS evil and our deciding not to “start up with them”, whatever that means, has not, does not, and will not make a difference. Lots of Jews made aliyah to Palestine before it was Israel and this angered the Arabs. Even if you say we should not have a political state, are you really also saying we should give up our right to live in our own land?”
You could live there under moderate Muslim rule. Also, when Jews made Aliya during the Ottoman empire this didn’t anger any arabs. By repeating the Zionist lies doesn’t make it any more true than the first time around.
“Furthermore, imagine the carnage, both political and physical, that would result if we tried to “give Israel to Turkey”. Utter nonsense.”
Because you and other Zionists decided this -doesn’t make it True! I know my posts undermine any legitimacy to the Zionist State and this is a hard truth to swallow, esp. when so many Jews like yourself, have swallowed the Zionist propaganda (Lies) your whole life.
ROB -More Zionist hypocrisy. #1 There wouldn’t be any war if they just gave up the whole state. #2 You claim it’s a Mitzva to defend yourself, but then you state if going to conquer then it’s a Reshus. Let me enlighten you -the Zionists started this war, not the arabs. This isn’t even a Milchemes Reshus because G-d didn’t give anyone the right to conquer EY in our day and age. Get your facts straight, not just spout the Zionist propaganda!
Naftush -“Toi, Jewish life under Arab rule varied from violent abuse to institutional abuse with brief interludes of light, depending on the country and the century. Putrid mellahs, high percentages of blindness at early age, general illiteracy, routine denial of basic services, dhimmi taxes, religious maltreatment … that was the norm.”
Thank you Joan Peters. But in Europe during this time it was much worse for Jews – ever hear of the crusades, progroms, etc.
Jews were treated fine, in Palestine, during the Ottoman empire, whether you admit it or not.
SpiderJerusalem -“You want a shmad? Ask a Palestinian or any other hardline Muslim (if you have a heter to speak to a non-Haredi) if they’d still want to kill the Jews if we all converted to Islam, and you’ll have your answer. That’s a shmad.”
Oh they Shmad Jews in Turkey? More Zionist propaganda. They Shmad more Jews in Israel then they ever did in Turkey. Moderate muslim countries actually respect Religion, like being Frum, not like the Zionists who have no respect for Frum Jews!
jewishfeminist02 -“Look to their leadership! Read the things their nutcase leaders have to say about us! Are you not scared for your life when you see these things?”
Whose leadership? The Palestinians’? Noone said give it to them.
Give it to Turkey. Upto Israeli attacking their boat to Gaza they liked Jews.
“If we want to live in E”Y and not have to be in constant fear– regardless of who “controls the state”– we must fight them.”
It is seriously naive and unrealistic to think that if we just give in to their demands, they will leave us alone. They don’t even care about their own children; why should they care about ours? They have no compunctions about slitting a Jewish baby’s throat. They are capable of so much evil, it is sickening.”
More Zionist propaganda. You keep screaming the evil on their part, but who started this fight? The Zionists. I don’t condone their violence, but stop pretending it is just lke the Nazis. In Germany no Jew started up with the Goyim. If you don’t want any more violence from them – then give up the State!
JCCSG
Your post is misleading.
“Lyme disease needs to be diagnosed clinically, using your medical history in conjunction with one or more of the available tests.”
This is Not the consensus of most med practitioners. Your line is only correct if there is no ECM (rash). If there is a rash then you give (preferably) Doxy for 14-21 days.
“Treatment of an early diagnosis is at least six to eight weeks of antibiotics or until the symptoms completely subside (which can be up to a year).”
Again this is Not the consensus, as I just posted above.
JF -“We can give them everything and they won’t be satisfied because all they really want is to see us obliterated. Living peacefully under their rule is a joke.”
Thank you for more Zionist propaganda. And your proof of this IS?
There is No proof, but I brought proof that you can live under their rule peacefully!
PBA -“He says that the Torah is contradictory”
I’m not going to comment on whether this guy is an Api or Not because I’m not going to waste my time looking at his Teretz. All I know is this statement is nothing new! Rebbe Yishmael Omer -“Vechein Sney Kesuvim Hamacheshim Zeh Lozeh Ad Sheyovo Hashilishi Veyachreah Beyneyhem”. “And the same with two Pesukim that contradict one another, until a third comes along and explains what the Din is.”
jewishfeminist02 -“Health, how many times in recent years have we tried to give away our land in exchange for peace, and when has it EVER worked? The Arabs will not be satisfied until they ch”v push us into the sea. The only way to defeat them is through war.”
You totally didn’t understand my post. Let me explain. I agree -land for peace -doesn’t work. They want to drive us into the sea. So what do I believe? I believe you should give them the whole land -the Goyim should rule the whole land. At this point they will stop their animosity towards Jews. They will let the Jews live peacefully under their rule. Of course, the Zionists scream this is Not possible, but yet it did happen in EY during Ottoman rule. Of course there will have to be international monitors like the UN, US and others to make sure no revenge is taken and they treat us without discrimination. So everything you posted is true except for the last line, which is a Zionist lie.
ROB -“Then look in the rambam hilchos melochim where he EXPLICITLY says that a war to save jews from their enemies is a milchemes mitzvah LEKULEI ALMA.”
But if there is a different way to save Jewish lives instead of killing and war -one must do that. If you give the State of Israel to the Goyim then there is no excuse to Defend yourself because they are only attacking because you took the land away from them. There were No attacks during the Ottoman Empire ruling of Palestine!
adams -“They should sue because GZ was abusing drugs and this is likely what caused him to start the whole episode.”
Repeating the same lies from previous doesn’t make it true. Taking prescribed meds is Not Abuse.
“I am surprised the prosecution didn’t make much of this,”
They had enough things that they made fools of themselves -you want to add more stuff -so they could look more foolish?
“THe medications can induce paranoia and agitation. This is pharmaceutical drugs, heavy with side effects. prescription for 1 of them says to sleep 7 hours upon taking. this is drug abuse.”
Thanks for the PDR on the drugs. Please look up the words “drug abuse” in the dictionary – you obviously don’t know the meaning.
Are you now a PC liberal? Am I going to have to defend every post I make after Zim’s acquittal – that I’m not a racist – to the PC lib Storm-troopers?
Since this is the first time you ever accused me of anything -I’ll respond.
First of all, Sharpton has been to the White House at least twice.
Second of all, e/o in the News says it and here is an example:
“(CNN) — U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to speak at an annual convention of the Rev. Al Sharpton’s group, in which Trayvon Martin was a key issue, has been widely panned as a political ploy.
But maybe, just maybe, it’s also evidence that the tamer version of the civil rights leader that we’ve seen in recent years — the syndicated radio host, the MSNBC personality, the White House adviser — is enjoying broader legitimacy these days.
rd -“Freud met with the Lubavitcher Rebbe of his time, and many of his ideas have parallels in Mussar.”
While they say his idea of ego, superego, id came from the two Yetzers and the Neshoma -so you’re probably correct that stuff he wrote was based on the Torah. But the Rabbonim were against psychology because of him because I’m pretty sure they held he was close, but not close enough, and his stuff was Apikorsis.
Thank goodness most psychology is Not based on him anymore, otherwise Frum people couldn’t study psychology, or become Shrinks and Frum people wouldn’t be able to go to Shrinks.
GAW -“Wrong community. If Gimmel wants Tzioni moeny, they have to show that they support the soldiers against the Baryonim. If not, then the state is correct in not giving money to those who do not support it.”
For this community -you are correct. I didn’t realize you were talking about them. I personally am more to the Right.
rd -“I’d be interested in Freudian modalities”
A lot of Rabbonim used to say it was Ossur to become a Shrink or to go to one. And this was because they learnt and practiced Freud. Nowadays, in general, very few only focus on psychoanalysis, most do CBT to get good results.
jewishfeminist02 -“Oh, come on, Health. Threads go on tangents ALL THE TIME.”
You and the others missed my point -it was Teefth (Deep).
“Yes, I was affected by the blackout.”
Questions or statements about blackouts don’t belong in this topic.
rationalfrummie -“To those who oppose the forcible drafting of bnei yeshivos, how would you respond to the argument that soldiers are able to be mekayem the mitzvah dioraisa of pikuach nefesh by saving Jewish lives from the surrounding Arabs?”
If there is another way to save Jewish lives besides killing Arabs then one must do that! Give the country/State of Israel to the Goyim. eg. to Turkey. You can’t put yourself in the situation and then scream Pikuach Nefesh!
akuperma -“though he can still be sued for wrongful death”
Al Sharptongue already stated they will sue and he probably will get his friend the Pres to bring Federal civil rights charges.
adams -“Health – when you label any view or opinion which is not yours as ‘PC’ some sort of code, not sure what it means, its’ always thrown around. like PC is bad and then the other side of the coin is good.”
Now you’re finally seeing the Light!
“This case especially is not black and white.”
You’re right Zim is Hispanic and it was still PC to trump up all these charges.
“THe problem as I see it, each perspective has a narrative. If you think Z should get no punishment or that he even should have been arrested, this is because you buy into his exact version, that he was for no reason attacked with a severity which made him decide that he must kill or be killed.”
So you don’t know which version is right -so is it Innocent until Proven Guilty or is It Guilty until Proven Innocent?
“However, my main problem with that scenario, is the kid was not wrong in where he was at the time, the fundamental foundation of the story.”
So therefore he couldn’t intiate an attack on Zim?!? Ridiculous!
Is this “PC”? I am troubled by the fact that he was abusing these drugs. One of them, it tells you – must sleep for 7 hours upon taking this. So he abused the drugs.
But heavy drugs like this at play, is not a good defense.”
These are normal drugs given to normal people -so you are defaming him by saying abusing. Yes, sometimes they have side effects, but given that they are prescribed -the PCP will address those issues. So the asumption is these drugs are helping the pt., not hindering. If “Pot” is legal in the State of Fl. did Martin have a prescription for it? I really don’t think so. Your whole post is based on what is PC, not based on this country’s Constitution and laws. How about reading the Bill of Rights before condenming people based on what is popular in our Society?
GAW -“they have to show they are part of the community, or the “community” will not be interested in funding them.”
Most people in Mea Shearim don’t want to be part of the Israeli/Zionist community and don’t take their money.
“Here in the US, the Agudah regularly puts out statements. Let the Moetzes or the even the Gimmel party put out a “statement”.”
You can want all you want, but if they don’t – it doesn’t make it wrong.
Zdad -“In the Charedi communities the lay people very rarely come out without rabbinic approval. I think most people understand this. Thats why people expect the Rabbinic leadership to come out against it. And more so in Israel when the Rabbanic leadership does make statements on more general issues.”
You can expect all you want, but who says you are right and they are wrong? I posted case after case from all over -where leaders don’t condemn bad things in their community, but when it comes to Charedim there is a double standard.
jbaldy22 -“The only one with any hate here is you.”
Actually this topic was started by s/o to put down Charedi Manhigim. I just defended them, but the constant attacking of them must be motivated by something and this I believe is “Hate”.
JF02 – “As for you, nobody knows who you are, so you can’t be sued.”
Sorry to inform you -I can definitely be sued. I unfortunately been in and out of court a lot and I know law. I’m just anon. when I post, but for every SN there is an email address & for every email address there is a real person. Courts have already ruled when it comes to law there is no anon. by posting on the Net. By posting negative things about s/o, even though I believe them to be true, would open me up to be sued. Hopefully one of these guys who were victims will one day have the courage to go to the authorities about him.