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June 23, 2021 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm in reply to: 1939: First already known use of human shields in Palestine – Mufti’s terrorist #1985740
The full name of the one used human shields in 1939 was:
Yusuf Sa’id Abu Durra (1900 – 1940 – nom de guerre: Abu Abed). He was one of the chief Arab rebel commanders during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine.
Time and time again the slur promoters prove they do not want real change. On the contrary, their goal is making Israel look bad.
This explains, as soon as Arab countries made officially peaceful recognition with Israel and the lie of “racism” was exposed even further, desperate Hagai of betselem had to use the slur, which Omar did after him.
Interesting though, now two rather very, very liberals, Daniel Kurtzer and Aaron David Miller just wrote in Newsweek against this HRW-Shakir thing, and against use of this term and that it really is counter productive.
First they denounce the language of so called “crimes” compared to real crimes against humanity. They add that Shakir makes it sound as if conditions are in a vacuum. Of course the constant anti Israel violence and real threats are real.
If I am not mistaken, the very first push of anti Haredi incitement in NY in context of Cobid, was an Israeli-American “progressive” journalist. it was before the Levaya where Deblasio reacted the way he did.April 12, 2021 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm in reply to: 50 years sgo, diabolical Hitler’s שר”י agent was attacked [Nazis in Arabia] #1964237
5TResident, true, but didn’t emply them in anti Jewish hare propaganda.. Whereas Egypt did! In a combination of using them as a tool against Jews.April 9, 2021 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm in reply to: When the Jews of Constantinople saved hundreds of Armenians fom certain death #1963801
From: James Larry Taulbee: International Crime and Punishment: A Guide to the Issues: A Guide to the Issues: A Guide to the Issues (ABC-CLIO, 2009), p.112
A Crime without a Name
Henry Morgenthau, the American ambassador to Turkey (1913–1916) during the first Wilson administration, watched the unfolding policy of the systematic slaughter of Armenians with great concern. He termed it “race murder” because no existing English word captured the full horror of the events he observed.
Others referred to the policy as the “crime without a name.” Even though the United States would not officially take a position, Morgenthau felt morally compelled to express his personal feeling about what he saw as unacceptable.
The answer he received from Mehmet Talaat, the Turkish head of state, reveals much about the following discussion of these crimes: “Why are you so interested in the Armenians anyway? . . . You are a Jew, these people are Christians. . . . What have you to complain of? Why can’t you let us do with these Christians as we please?
His response, quoted in WSJ on May 3, 2015. In an article by L. Gordon Crovitz, titled, ‘The Diplomat Who Called Out Mass Murder’
Morgenthau replied: “I am not here as a Jew, but as American ambassador. My country contains something like 97 million Christians and something less than three million Jews. So, at least in my ambassadorial capacity, I am 97% Christian. But after all, that is not the point. I do not appeal to you in the name of any race or religion, but merely as a human being.”
He added: “Our people will never forget these massacres. They will always resent the wholesale destruction of Christians in Turkey.”
WSJ article adds:
Morgenthau recruited American missionaries and philanthropists in 1915 to form the American Committee for Armenian and Syrian Relief, which solicited donations from across the U.S. The group distributed vivid posters with the tagline “Give or We Perish.” After leaving his post, Morgenthau often spoke on behalf of the relief effort. Americans contributed $100 million, equivalent to almost $2.5 billion today.April 9, 2021 5:24 am at 5:24 am in reply to: When the Jews of Constantinople saved hundreds of Armenians fom certain death #1963613
I think ujm was referring to violent attacks from (aggressive) Armenians upon Jews prior to the genocide. But saying lives is a must.
It shoumd also be noted that Jews, jut another minority, feared they would get the same treatment as Armenians from the Turks uf they protested to much…
In the words of writers, even by unfair critic Mr. Kieser, p.302:
That Jews would face fate of Armenians as many feared …
The Jewish World, (Messrs. Philip Johns & Company, 1898), p. 156:
The Zionist Movement
West End Meeting …
Mr. O. J. Simon… regarded the Ottonan Government as a dangerous power. For notwithstanding that he had treated the Jews comparatively well, it had but few Jews and they would be massacred like the Armenians and the Greeks…
Debate At North London
… he differentiated between Zionism and the religious idea…
But if the Sultan did sell Palestine to the Jews, those who went there would suffer the same fate as the Armenians.
Yet, here is more on:
<emp>Jews helping Armenian victims</emp>
Palestine Daily Mail (Doar Hayom). January 3, 1922. Page 1. [Free translation]:
Mr. Klorisky, the wise and sharp one in our local politicians, did well to raise a great voice for the benefit of our brethren who are beyond the Euphrates; And beautiful was his proposal to the High Commissioner to open the gates of our charitable country to some of the refugees …
But there remain other great friends of the Armenians in England itself, and in America in particular, and among these friends we are glad to name, in particular, Dr. Weitzmann in London, and H. Stephen Wise and Morgenthau in Washington.
From clear sources we know that these three Jews, not only did help the Armenians with advice and money, but thanks to them the governments continued to be interested in the future of Armenia and since – Dr. Weizmann is involved, he will cerainly do much for the Armenian question.
דאר היום 3 ינואר 1922. גיליון ס”ח No.68
ארמניה לא מתה
ויפה עשה ה’ קלוריסקי, זה הנבון והחריף שבמדינאינו המקומיים, להרים קול גדול לטובתם של אחינו אשר מעבר לפרת ; ויפה היתה הצעתו לנציב העליון לפתוח בפני קצת מהפליטים את שערי ארצנו הנדבנית…
אך נשארו עוד ידידים גדולים לארמנים באנגליה עצמה, ובאמריקה ביחוד, ובין הידידים האלה שמחים אנו למנות, ביחוד, את ד”ר וייצמן בלונדון, ואת ה”ה סטיפן וייז ומורגנטוי בושינגתון.
ממקורות ברורים יודעים אנחנו, כי שלשת יהודים אלה, לא בלבד שעזר עזרו לארמנים בעצות ובכסף, אלא שהודות להם התמידו הממשלות להתענין בעתידה של ארמניה ובהיות – ד”ר ויצמן בקן, עשה יעשה בטח הרבה גם לשאלה הארמנית.
True, ujm. The JewishVirtualLibrary has an interesting chart in a page titled:
‘Demographics of Israel: Population of Jerusalem
(1844 – Present)’November 5, 2020 9:42 am at 9:42 am in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1917031
Shukairy has had a remarkable history . As has been revealed in the pages of Prevent World War III, he worked with the Nazis in the Middle East and was a henchman of the notorious Mufti of Jerusalem who advised Hitler…
Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the … Congress, Volume 110, Part 22. United States. Congress. U.S. Government Printing Office, 1964, p.525November 4, 2020 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1916887
From July 12, 1946 article:
Out in Jerusalem, in an office situated ironically on Bethlehem Road, where, according to Jewish legend Mother Rachel weeps at midnight over the plight of her children, the people of Israel, I met Achmed Shukeiri, chief of the Arab Office, who reiterated in his conversation the words of Goebbels justified the murder of six million Jews of Europe “because Hitler could not have been all wrong,” and warned that his side was ready to “play along with Moscow.” They always play along, the Husseini-Shukeiri mob. Outside the Young Men’s Chr. Association building in Jerusalem, where the hearings of the Anglo-American Inquiry Committee were being held at the time, I met Jamal el Husseini; he issued the same warning as Shukeiri (he being Shukeiri’s chief) of playing along with Moscow, and reiterated his justification of the mass murder of six million Jews “for Hitler couldn’t be all wrong… you have got to see both sides of a question, my man, both sides of a question…” Jamal Husseini saw both sides so well that he joined in igniting, at a time most critical for the Allies, the Iraq coup d’etat to gauleiter the Middle East for Hitler…
“Behind Britain’s Zion Conspiracy”
By Bernard Lerner.
The Detroit Jewish News July 12, 1946 Page 2
“British Actions in Palestine.” By Bernard Lerner, July 12, 1946, The Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Page 7
1961 testimony in US Congress:
Shukairy got his start in “politics” in the early 1930s when he belonged to a group of fanatical extremists led by the ex-Mufti. This gang cooperated with the Communists and prior to the HitlerStalin Pact sought in every possible way to sabotage the Allied war effort against the Nazis in the Middle East. However, when Soviet Russia joined the Allies, Shukairy’s group split with the Communists and went all out for Hitler.</blockquote
Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the … Congress – United States. Congress – 1961, p.5735 (p.35).
From a report in “Ahora!” magazine, volume 186, 1967:
Shukairy worked with the Russian communists in the past, long before Nasser out of some consequence. But Shukairy is now openly linked with the Chinese communists, although the Chinese and Russian goals of revolutionary uprising seem now to coincide in the Middle East, it differs only as who will emerge on top. Shukairy cooperated with the communist party of Palestine, directed by Moscow before the Second World War. However, after Hitler attacked Russia and the communists around the world changed positions, the fierce and unpredictable Shukairy has aligned himself with Hitler for his programs against the Jews.
Original text in Spanish:
Shukairy cooperó con el Partido Comunista de Palestina, dirigido por Moscú antes de la Segunda Guerra Mundial. Sin embargo, después que Hitler atacó a Rusia ya los comunistas en todo el mundo cambió posiciones, el feroz e impredecible Shukairy se alineó con Hitler por sus programas contra los judios.September 14, 2020 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1901640
Here’s more on his extremism, back in 1946:
SHUKAIRY IN 1946:
1. ONLY RUSSIA SHOULD DEAL WITH PALESTINE CASE.
2. WESTETN DEMOCRACY FAILED.
3. <b>WILL NOT SIT WITH THE JEWS FOR DISCUSSION</b>.
4. PARTITION, OUT OF THE QUESTION. THREATENS ACTIONS IF INSISTED
From: Menahem Mansoor, “Political and Diplomatic History of the Arab World, 1900-1967: 1942-52”. ,(NCR Microcard Editions, 1972) p.1
August, 1946 August 8
Ahmad Shukairy, Director of the Arab Office in Jerusalem, declared that ” the Arab World is looking eagerly for the stand Moscow will take” on the Palestine problem, and he saw no reason why “America should be a party to the Palestine case and not Russia.”
From: La Grande Observer, La Grande, Oregon. Thursday, August 8, 1946. Page 5
Arabs Seek Russian Aid in Preventing Holy Land Split Delegation May Be Sent to Moscow in Effort to Enlist Help Against British
JERUSALEM, Aug. 8 (UP) Ahmad Shukairy. head of the Arab office, discussed today that unofficial contacts have been made with Moscow with view to obtaining Soviet support for Palestine Arabs in opposing Britain’s proposed partition of the Holy Land.
Shukairy said that it was possible that an Arab delegation would be sent Moscow even before the Palestine issue is raised before the United Nations general assembly now scheduled to meet Sept. 23 in New York City. “We are already somewhat late in doing this,” he said, but added that unofficial, contacts with the Soviet had- been made and that official contacts, will follow.
British Plan Hit
Shukairy emphasized that Arabs oppose in strongest fashion the British-plan to split Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish provinces under British control. He predicted that the Arab states will not participate in the discussions Britain- has scheduled so long as partition is on the agenda.
He also reemphasized that <b>Arabs would hot participate in any round-table discussion with the Jews</b>. Arab States which already have accepted invitations to the London conference, he said, did so before they knew that Britain had the partition plan in mind…
He said that <b>western democracy and democratic principles had failed in Palestine</b>.
Russia Face Test
“Palestine now provides an acid test for the Soviet regime,” he said, “whether it will project its philosophy toward assisting the Arabs.” If Britain insists on proceeding with its partition plan, he said thaf Palestine “which is on the verge of struggle will fight.”</blockqote>September 13, 2020 8:50 am at 8:50 am in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1900891
Dear Charliehal. You mean economics, no ideological support… forced because of isolation stemming from the goliath sea of Arab Islamic neighbors boycotting the “other” in their midst. The non-Arab, non-Muslim entity. Now that is the GOLIATH APARTHEID.
Any wonder neo nazis and Iran/Hezbollsh/Hamas/Erduan can’t stand that the Arab Apartheid wall has been a bit weakened by the current UAE/Bahrain deals.
Media bias: see
* CAMERA [dot org]
I hope you dont rely on biased wikipedia’s for “information” re Israel and “Palestinians”.
“The gathering storm, and beyond. Israel is the aboriginal homeland of the Jewish people across space & time.” By Irwin Cotler. The Jerusalem Post. May 14, 2008
Dear n0mesorah, topic was BLM vs HAMAS. so I replied on both.
1. There is a difference between the idea that lives matter with an emphasis of groups who have been treated unfairly.
2. BLM as a movement has been tainted by hatred. Though not all BLM activists are necessarily haters.
3. Fedayeen, PFLP,PLO,Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa brigade , Tanzim… or any other Arab “palestinian” violent group were/are about between ethnic cleansing and eliminating the Jews in Israel. No matter under what banner they have used.
Daily alert, 2010-11-01 , 10:07:27
The Open Racism of the Future State of Palestine
(Scholars for Peace in the Middle East) Shmuel Trigano –
When considering the possibility that an outside force could be given the responsibility of overseeing the implementation of a planned agreement with Israel in the West Bank, PA President Mahmoud Abbas told the Egyptian press in Cairo at the beginning of August: “I am ready to accept a third party which supervises the implementation of the agreement, NATO forces, for example, but I will not accept the presence of Jews in these forces or a [single] Israeli on the Land of Palestine.”
There is a perfect coherence between this demand and the refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The Palestinian Authority is building a racist regime based on the principle of establishing an apartheid between a Palestine untainted by Jewish blood and a mixed State of Israel.
According to the draft constitution of the planned state, Palestine proper would be Arab and Islamic:
“This constitution is based on the will of Palestinian-Arab people” (Article 1),
“the Palestinian people are a part of the Arab and Islamic nation” (Article 2),
“sovereignty belongs to the Palestinian Arab people” (Article 10),
“the legal character of the Arab-Palestinian people will be embodied by the state” (Article 13),
“Islam will be the official religion of the state” (Article 6).
The writer, a fellow of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, is professor of the sociology of politics at Paris University.
Fort Lauderdale News from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, June 13, 1967 p.9
What Is Future Of Palestine Liberation Forces?
The Arab defeat in the Middle East war leaves a big question mark over the future of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its firebrand leader leftist Ahemd Shukairy.
Shukairy narrowly escaped capture by Israeli forces in Jerusalem and many of his “Liberation Army” are now prisoners of the Israelis. “We will wipe Israel off the face of the map and no Jew will survive,” Shukairy declared two days before the war broke out June 5.
He vowed to lead the vanguard of his troops into the Israeli sector of Jerusalem and set up a “purely Arab government” there for all of Palestine.
The 60-year-old former lawyer was seen briefly in Amman and Damscus in the last stages of the fighting wearing a khaki battle uniform.
Persons who saw him said he looked fatigued and dejected. His army of 15,000 guerrillas had moved into some of the Sinai and Gaza Strip positions evacuated by the U.N. Emergency force before the fighting began. Several thousand of them are believed to be in Is raeli hands with most of their arms and equipment.
Most of the equipment for Shukairy’s force came from the Soviet bloc and Red China, and he boasted that he had the support of the Chinese leaders.
Egypt and Syria gave him strong support, but Jordan and other pro-Western Arab countries objected to his ultra-leftist leanings and his campaign to overthrow King Hussein of Jordan.
Jordan never allowed the Liberation Army to operate on its territory, which would have been the logical springboard for an attack on Israel. Last December, the Jordanian government ordered Shukairy to close his office in the Jordanian sector of Jerusalem. Shukairy and Hussein made up publicly when the king signed a defense alliance with Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, but the Israeli victory ended that..
There are also other issues to be discussed . Including Cuomo’s nursing home matter and Deblasio coming late as TheNewYorker reported. And maybe the prohibiting tablets inside. Isolation is devastating….
אין אדם נתפס בשעת צערו [ב”ב טז]
I know people who are niftar. And there needs to be an investigation. IMHO.
I use a message or a logo as a pic. No human photos.
Yuh I are right.
Well, it’s so sad that politics came into place, when we are dealing about saving lives.
To ubiquitin# 1884191:
This is why I put a question mark by title after: j’accuse… and in my post I said if.
One of the most shocking aspects to me was, as he said “I can’t breathe” but cold Cauvin had his hands in his pocket , and the black cop couldn’t care either. I cried. Especially as a Yid, rachmonim bnei rachmonim
IMHO, if African American educators/influencers would talk more about Jews’ sacrifice for blacks, such as KKK’s murder of Schwerner and Goodman in 1964, it would help to reduce hate venom spread by racist supremacist N.O. Islam’s Farrakhan.July 9, 2020 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm in reply to: 17th of Taamuz – A Tough Nut to Crack Connecting 5 tragedies which occurred #1881020
Do Sfardim also refrain from hair cutting before 9 days?
We all wish you, you find your bashert and build a Bayis Neemon
At the beginning of the riots post Floyd’s killing, Tucker Carleson –unfairly and without proof — tried to blame Kushner for Trump’s lack of controlling the scenes.
What exactly “should” Trump say about the virus and how will help?
Without going into his kev ed l if anti Jewishness in his personal feelings… or with whom he associates with which influence these feelings, he seems to be plain childish. The vengeful post Apr-29 levaya next day attack exclusively on Jewish areas with his police issuing citations en-masse, or his infantile behavior vis-a-vis parks fighting with innocent kids…
June 21: 2 major tragic Jewish cases on this Gregorian calendar day. למספרם
June 21, 1962
י”ט סיון תשכ”ב
Graciela Sirota, 19 years old Jewish student brutally attacked, cigarettes burned on her, swastikas carved on her body by nazi gang TACUARA in Argentina with a message that it was revenge for eliminating Adolf Eichmann y.s. Many protested, Jews and non Jews. Shops closed posting: “closed as protest nazi aggressions”. Students mobilized.
Some 5 months later, this Nazi group was saluted and praised by United Arab Republic’s rep. in the U.N. Ahmad Shukairy (Shukeiri, Shuqairy – prayed during WW2 for Hitler’s victory and Britain’s loss and was former aide to Hitler’s ally the Mufti al-Hussein y.s.) And a bit over a year passed since he invented (Oct. 17, 1961) the apartheid slur on Israel without explanation, but using the condemnation momentum in UN against South Africa to tarnish Israel by comparing it to S.A. He later on, May-1964 became PLO’s first chairman.
For historical facts: That was about 6 years before the 1967 war and about 41 years before the anti-terror barrier erected.
On Graciela Sirota:
Richard S. Levy: ‘Antisemitism: A Historical Encyclopedia of Prejudice and Persecution,’ Volume 1. p.697
Beatrice D Gurwitz: ‘Argentine Jews in the age of Revolt…’, 2016, p.53
On first historic (apartheid slur) comparison, by Shukairy:
Y. Oron: ‘Middle East Record,’ volume 2, 1961, p.188
Shukairy aide to Hitler’s ally Mufti:
Congressional Record: proceeding and debates… Vol.107, part 24, US Congress
Shukayri admitting praying with his friends for Hitler’s victory.:
E. Kedurie: ‘Arabic Political Mmoires’, 1964, p.189
‘Encounter,’ vol. 39, p.76. S. Spencer, Irving Kristol, 1972
Shukairy’ salute to Tacuara:
“Recall of Arab Delegate from U.N. is Sought; ‘saluted’ Tacuara”, JTA, Dec.3.1962
“Chile Rebukes Arab Delegate at UN for ‘saluting’ Tacuara Group.” JTA, December 4, 1962
21 June, 1964
י”א תמוז תשכ”ד
The KKK y.s. murder of African American Chaney, with the two young Jews, Schwerner and Goodman, while they tried to help African-Americans in their civil rights.
D Prager and M Medved are very convincing. ..
Bob Grant…on the radio, can not forget him. Nostalgic.
Yet to see any voices from those activists re anti Semitic Henry Ford’s racism including against blacks through his east on jazz music.
Even if one thinks he doesn’t “need” to wear one. Out out of respect, one SHOULD wear. This is a classic MARIS AYIN case.