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    This genocidal schene is known as Play For Slay.
    ר”ל.

    in reply to: Hours before attack: venomous headline in Haaretz #2077282
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    Copy pasting about debated Kastner does not exempt the poster from being required to ask Mechile from 500,000 yiden….

    in reply to: Hours before attack: venomous headline in Haaretz #2077211
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    To UJM, please do not rewrite history.
    The murders of the Hews were ONLY Gernan Nazis and their Euroean active helpers. Period.

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    Sure there were individuals that tried to bring over from Europe and did rescue some 80,000 German Jews. It was controversial even among the Zionists and even these, paid the Brits to ban Eichmann from staying in Palestine in his secret 1937 tour – all before it was known the Final Solution that was declared in Wannsee Conference in 1941 and most of the world did not know of the ongoing wholesale slaughter till 1942

    “Collaboration” isn’t an accurate term on Zionists as a whole. And there was Kastner’s case, still debated till today.
    But it was not about admiring the Axis’ ideology such as on the opposite side of the Zionists, the Arabs.

    I’m not here to defend the Zionists and their record, but it’s still, all not related to:

    * Active help by Arab Palestine LEADERSHIP al-Husseini, the Mufti ym”s and his entire entourage of hundreds including Jamal Husseini and Ahmad Shukeiri who later on (1964) established the PLO.

    * 1935, the Mufti ym”s with Jamal Husseini established the Futuwwa HitlerJugend type.

    * At least since 1936, he, the leadership collaborated, got arms from Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy to attack Jews and Brits.

    * The Mufti ym”s active intervention against rescue thousands of European children from reaching Mandatory Palestine, instead, they were sent to death r”l.

    * There were several Arabs from Syria/Palestine serving at concentration camps.

    * Shukeiri wrote in his book, he and all around him rejoiced, prayed for, at every victory step by A.H. ym”s against the allies, ever since 1941.

    * His incitement, push, Fascists Futuwwah FARHOUD pogrom on Iraqi Jews, on Shavuot 5701 (June/41), in which some estimate, upto 1,000 Jews could have perished.

    * Mufti ym”s meeting A H. Ym”s Nov/28/41 who told him: “The Jews are yours. ”

    * Mufti ym”s Radio broadcasts to the entire Arab, Muslim world to: “kill the J…s wherever they are, this please Allah.” (Radio, at the time was THE most powerful media that reached all. Entire families used to gather around it, and if didn’t have, had visited those that had).

    * 80% of (mandatory) Palestine Arabs supported the Fascists Axis per 1941 poll.

    * Historian H. Erlich: all major newspapers in Palestine supported the Fascists, full of admiration of A.H. ym”s.

    * Upon hearing plight of Jews in Europe, most Arabs in (Mandatory) Palestine cheered it, reported Mr Cohen (1942).

    * Mufti ym”s led Moslem SS units, committing atrocities.

    * Asides from his joint Arab-Nazi Atlas Operation – according to some, to poison some 250,000 Tel Aviv residents.

    * And of course the Mufti Ym”s plan to erect crematoria in the Dotan Valley “as soon” as he expected the Nazis to reach Israel Palestine, which they failed in Al Alamein battle, B”H.

    * 1946, Ahmad Shukeiri [Shukairy] and Jamal al-Husseini justified the slaughter of 6,000,000 Jews Kdoshim hy”d.

    * Ever since the 1950s, A.H. book in Arabic has been most popular – rather in the Arab world, and a best seller in Ramallah since 1999.

    * 2014 and 2020, per ADL, 93% of Arabs in West Bank and Gaza are anti-Semitic.

    * Last year, an activist fluent in Arabic (E.C.) asked on social media to his close to half a million of followers on their feeling of A H., most justified him.

    in reply to: Chazon Ish havtocho #2077072
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    What are you saying Commonsaychel?

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    Even though I’m not for going up to Temple Mount, the double standard is horrific. And it i’s a pattern.

    in reply to: Arab targeting Haredim conscientious objectors, avoid Temple Mount #2074213
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    Huju. I guess, the OP reminded that every body knows that most Bnei Brak residents do not serve in the army, yet the Arab targeted them. And out of Halachic reasons do not visit the Temple Mount either.

    in reply to: Arab targeting Haredim conscientious objectors, avoid Temple Mount #2074167
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    Avira, I’m surprised that someone would even suggest that ahead of the Passover massacre anniversary…among so many r”l.

    in reply to: Arab targeting Haredim conscientious objectors, avoid Temple Mount #2074075
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    Avira. Hadera, and Beer Sheva were not “settlers”.

    in reply to: Segula for parnassah #2073970
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    Just a note. I presume, the real full sgulah of Parshas HaMann is when one recites with Kavonoh.

    in reply to: Arab targeting Haredim conscientious objectors, avoid Temple Mount #2073969
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    Their leadership in Gaza/W.Bank never rejected their Hitlerist Mufti either. The worst thing is that inside Israel the Arab leadership is on the wrong side of morality. Which US not disconnected to the last two ISIS murderous attacks, Beer Sheva, Hadera.

    in reply to: Segula for parnassah #2072796
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    R. Eliezer. Yes, Hishtadlus.

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    A few months back another racist Islamist Palestinian burned Tehillim. The wider troubling part is that they upoad it on their social media and thousands like minded like it. But font expect THAT duo bigots in Congress to condemn it, while they pretend to be “against” racism.

    in reply to: Segula for parnassah #2072572
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    Melave malke
    ..

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    Shocking. Thanks Shalom. And this is an Arab living inside Israel.

    in reply to: Is It A Coincidence? #2067056
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    Science too, and midterm elections has also its necessities…

    in reply to: Clarity: Ukraine, bloody Nazi past and the current innocent #2067055
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    OP is right.
    I’m sure there were good guys there too. But facts are facts.

    ‘Ivan the terrible’ in Treblinka, anybody?

    Haaretz which is never accused of bashing enemies if the Jewish people..

    Ofer Aderet, Haaretz correspondent: “The Ukrainians did not help the Jews in the Holocaust, really, really, really not. They were the so-called ‘Nazis and their aides’. They helped locate, inform and lead the Jews to the killing pits. John Demjanjuk was Ukrainian. They were eager to commit murder of Jews even without an order, in order to express their hatred. ”
    Still.
    Given all that, we should all help now all Ukrainians of course.

    in reply to: Ukraine Fundraisers #2067054
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    Thank You Reb Eliezer for that tip, link.

    in reply to: Israel South Africa? #2059102
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    @aviradeha….. security measures are not “apartheid”.

    Re “Palestinian” areas…

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    Here is a random news of today. While Arabs move about everywhere without fear from Jews. This is what happened when someone tried to enter at a “Palestinian ” town, after the racist Arab masses realized he is a Jew…

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    “Scary . Watch the lynching attempt on the taxi driver in Nablus by bloodthirsty Arabs.”

    0404 News, Feb.8.22.

    A taxi driver who entered Nablus after the elimination of the terrorists was almost killed by an angry mob | View documentation from the lynching attempt.

    A Jewish taxi driver, a resident of the center of the country, entered Nablus today (Tuesday) with his vehicle, shortly after the three terrorists were eliminated, and was attacked by an angry mob who tried to murder him with stones, other objects, beatings and knives. Among the attackers are adult terrorists, youths…
    Miraculously, the Jew emerged alive from the scene of the incident. The driver managed to reach a military blockade and there received medical treatment. The condition of was defined as mild.

    After the incident, the Jew was detained for questioning at the police station, where he said that he entered Nablus to repair his taxi. At one point he was identified as a Jew by the Arabs and they began to try to lynch him.

    in reply to: Israel South Africa? #2058828
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    @er.

    Not only are Arabs equal citizens in all aspects but are often treated BETTER than Israel treats Jews, including in:
    Most court issues.
    Exemptuon of Draft.
    Land issues.
    Access to holy sites.
    Evacuation of illegal posts..
    Police enforcement.
    Asides from affirmative action in employment and on campus.

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    As mentioned above, the buzzword was invented in 1961.
    In any case. It’s not about “fact” but about demonization.

    in reply to: Six-Day-War Major-general “There was a Siyata diShmaya” #2058697
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    The fact of some of the religious Jews serving in the overwhelming secular IDF, the Chazon Ish did assume, most are Tinokos sheNishbu, there by innocent… Kal vaChomer today, even further from that generation…
    הנה לא ינום ולא יישן שומר ישראל.

    in reply to: Israel South Africa? #2058497
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    The A slur was invented in Oct 1961 by Shukeiri who helped Hilter since 1941 and rationalized the Holocaust in 1946.

    Ever since, it became a buzzword.

    That was almost 6 years before the ’67 war which some call certain parts an “occupation”

    in reply to: Re forced draft on Haredim passed by Seculars (& Arabs) #2058496
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    To @maxist, Secular workforce which limits Haredi employment because of anti-Haredi attitudes among others (due to bigoted vicious Haaretz incitement, for example) among other issues, is a separate matter..
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    in reply to: Silencing anti-Jewish racist crimes (Israel) #2058098
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    If “Human rights groups” had ever been fair to Israel and not hijacked by propagandists, only then it would be a point in sending these usual examples of Arabs getting preferential treatment…

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    Regarding the source of the conflict, aka bigotry, among the big mistakes the Brits did in 1920 was to reinstate the Falastin newspaper which the Turks banned for its racism in Apr-1914. (See Elie Kedourie, ‘Zionism & Arabism in Palestine and Israel’, reprinted 2015, p. 8)

    in reply to: the most delicious food ever #2058099
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    What is so great about tasty food is that it is being used for OnegShabbos..Thus spirit-ualizing the material…

    in reply to: Khaled the Shabbos goy and the terrible bloodlibel lie #2047622
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    א-מן.
    Not all… And there are levels…and then there are also Chadidei Umos haOlam.

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    Meanwhile, in other news, the latest of preferential treatment for Arabs…

    Arie Yoeli at Srugim news:
    An Arab vehicle passes; A Jewish vehicle was stopped at the checkpoint again by the army’s forces stopping the vehicles that make their way to settling a Homesh settlement for Melave Malka. Residents testified that at the military checkpoint enables Arab vehicles to pass and stop only the Jews.

    in reply to: Get Over Ended Shidduch #2047318
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    Diversions?

    in reply to: “Palestinian” Abbas’ Advisor: Allah punishing world w/ COVID… #2043609
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    So lunatics of “palestine” he an explanation why no.1 supportes of violent Palestinians – the Islamic Republic of Iran – lost 131 thousands to COVID…

    in reply to: Non jewish isreilis #2040786
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    Number relates to half of Russian latest immigrants maybe?

    in reply to: Near lynching attempt proves again the pure racism of “conflict” #2037757
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    Very dear akuperma. We have a problem only with racists. We love all human beings. And according to holy Talmud (Brachot 10a) we hate only the sin not the sinner. Ahavath haBrioth אהבת הבריות means all creatures.

    in reply to: Near lynching attempt proves again the pure racism of “conflict” #2037702
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    Not much has changed at the root of “confict” – over 90 years…

    “Jews Urge Arabs To Shun Bigotry…”

    Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES. July 18, 1930, Page 7:


    ‘JERUSALEM, July 17.–Deep emotional feeling marked the Jewish representatives’ final addresses before the League of Nations Wailing Wall commission today. In stirring terms the Jews appealed to the Moslems not to be influenced by religious bigotry but to seek a settlement of the present dispute as generously as possible.’

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    Examplary cases that stand out in weird prosecutor’s routine:

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    * GARBOU BROTHERS ON R’ MALI (Apr/21)

    Sara Ha’etzni-Cohen, “Israel’s iron fist is anything but”, ILH, Oct 7, 2021

    [https://www.israelhayom. com/opinions/israels-iron-fist-is-anything-but/] Israel’s iron fist is anything but]

    The Arab Israelis that attacked Rabbi Mali in Jaffa were known antisemitic nationalists, yet the police prosecutor failed to note the racial motive behind the attack.

    R. Eliyahu Mali is a resident of Jaffa and the head of Shirat Moshe Hesder Yeshiv in the city. Around six months ago, he and a colleague were violently assaulted when two Arabs began to kick, curse, and threaten them in broad daylight. In their resourcefulness, Mali’s colleague documented the incident, something that resulted in his hospitalization. These were the days leading up to the riots of May 2021, and the images were widely distributed and resulted in a public outcry.

    This week, the sense of shock grew following reports of the plea deal reached with the attackers, Ahmed and Mahmoud Garbua. In return for their confession, a ridiculous plea deal was signed that will see them sentenced to between five and nine months of community service. It is absolutely insane that the Israeli Police Prosecution and Tel Aviv Magistrate Court Judge Roy Perry both signed off on this agreement.

    The police prosecutor did not even bother to assign a racial motive to the attack, something that would have resulted in more severe punishment. They failed to do this despite the fact that, as they were hitting and kicking and explicitly threatening the victims’ lives, they shouted that “Jaffa will not have Jews.” One of the attackers has a rich history of posting nationalist and antisemitic content on social media, including praise for Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, videos on “J. dogs and America,” and “the truth about the sons of monkeys and pigs.” He has also expressed a desire for the liberation of “occupied Jaffa.” And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Racial motive? What racial motive?

    Yishai Friedman, “The ‘non-racist’ attacker from Jaffa works for liberation ‘from occupation’ and admires Hitler,” Makor Rishon, April 22, 2021.

    [https://www.makorrishon. co .il/opinion/339719/]

    *JAFFA LYNCH (May/21)

    Omri Maniv, Jaffa resident who was lynched: “There was a racist motive – they knew I was Jewish.” [https://13news. co. il/item/news/domestic/crime-law/lynch-in-jaffa-1254621/] NEWS 13, May 23, 2021.

    * A. KRINAWI VS OTHERS B/C HE ATTACKED A… POLICEMAN

    Yoni Rotenberg (@Yoni_Roten) Tweeted

    June 10, 2021:

    [https://twitter. com/Yoni_Roten/status/1402911653734277123?s=20]

    The two indictments filed: one against a minor who threw at a community center in the city (there is no racist motive), the other against Akram Krinawi who threw stones in several places in the city, and attacked a police officer (there, there is a racist motive clause).

    Asaf Mishnayot (@AMishnayot) Tweeted

    June 10, 2021:

    [https://twitter. com/AMishnayot/status/1402912033901891584?s=20]

    Only I notice the fact that the police only mentioned the racist motive when one of their own was attacked?

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    Shalom, on charging with ‘racial motives,’ here are the results.

    The following is a very small number of indictments on racial grounds, 18 out of so many, given the were hundreds upon hundreds racist Arab attacks on Jews. Source received by email include translations.

    In Lod alone there were over 650 violent attacks on Jews reported by May 27, 2021. (See: Sara Ha’etzni-Cohen, “The prosecution’s indifference is shocking,” ILH, 05-28-2021).
    Add to Lod, the acts in: Jerusalem, Jaffa, Ramle, Acre, etc.

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    Attack on yeshiva students: Police arrested three suspicious Arabs Baruch Shapira, 4 Ader 5781, 16.02.21, JDN.

    Three suspects have so far been arrested on suspicion of involvement in a lynching committed on yeshiva students last week at a gas station near Migdal. “Expect attackers to be charged with serious violent offenses and attempted murder for attempting to run over victims of racist motives.

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    Live: The presenter wore a kippah and wore a yellow badge Yair Kalpa, BHOL. 13 Sivan 5781 24/05/2021.

    Sharon Gal decided to convey a message – and wore Jewish symbols. During the monologue he said: “Maybe it will remove doubt, and the indictments will be worded here according to reality.” Gal continued: “It is quite clear that violence is violence and racism is racism, and it is equally despicable, no matter who is behind it. We all know that there is no symmetry, and there have been countless attacks on nationalist backgrounds upon Jews by Arabs in recent weeks.
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    Yori Yalon and Shahar Klaiman, “Israel arrests 17 more rioters as Arab-Jewish clashes in Jerusalem continue”, JNS, Apr 25, 2021.

    …began on April 13, the start of the Muslim holiday of Ramadan, and have been escalating over the past week.

    According to Jerusalem District Police Chief Doron Turgeman, the suspects arrested on Saturday night—for “assaulting police officers, throwing rocks, setting off fireworks and hurling firebombs”—join 140 others taken into custody since the beginning of the “unrest,” bringing the total number to 157. Most of those arrested so far have been Muslims, Turgeman told Kan Radio on Sunday morning.
    Turgeman also said that 54 of the detainees are being held under suspicion of attacks with a “racist motive.”

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    Itzik Saban, Minister Ohana: “Attacking Jews in Jerusalem – an act on racist ground, the justice system must be deterred”, ILH, Apr 23, 2021.

    The Minister of Internal Security referred to the events of recent days in Jerusalem, and called on the judicial system to severely punish young Arabs who attacked Jews with an ultra-Orthodox appearance in the capital in recent weeks – “This is not a prank”.

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    Yehuda Weiss, “Indictment Filed Against Arab Who Slapped Jew on Light Rail Train”, Hamodia, May 4, 2021.

    A screen shot of the Arab slapping the boy on the train, April 14.

    The Yerushalayim District Prosecutor’s Office has submitted to the city’s Magistrates Court for Youth an indictment against a 17-year-old Arab, who attacked chareidi teenagers on the Light Rain Train in Yerushalayim last month.

    The indictment charged the Arab with an attack due to racist motives, and harm to privacy.

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    Tik Tok terrorism: An Arab from Jerusalem is accused of attacking an ultra-Orthodox Jew for racist motives, 0404, May 3, 2021.

    An indictment was filed today (Monday) in the Jerusalem Magistrate’s Court against Ramzi Radaida (Radaideh), an 18-year-old Arab resident of the city, for assault that causes actual damage out of motive of racism or hostility towards the public and assault simply out of motive of racism.

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    Haim Goldich, “Charge: Attacked two undercover police officers for racist motive, YNet, June 21, 2021.

    A 24-year-old man from the a-Tour neighborhood in Jerusalem was charged following an attack by Border Police officers disguised as ultra-Orthodox. The police arrested two people after one of them sprayed tear gas into their car.

    The attack on two Border Police undercover operatives about ten days ago in the a-Tor neighborhood of Jerusalem ended today (Monday) with the filing of an indictment against 24-year-old Lui Stlyah (Loui Stliah), a resident of the area

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    Lilach Shovaldniel Seriotti, “Lynch cases and a shooting incident carried out by Arabs on Jews during the ‘Guardian of the Walls’ were solved.” ILH, June 10, 2021.

    Two residents of Wadi Ara are accused of carrying out a shooting attack, from which a civilian escaped unharmed. Two residents of Kafr Qara were charged with aggravated assault. A resident of Acre participated in riots in the city and caused much destruction… it was determined that the three offenses were committed on racial grounds.

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    Yonatan Yifrach, “An Arab terrorist attacked a father and son: ‘You are Jews, your place is not here.’ ” Ch 20, June 6, 2021.

    An Arab terrorist riding a motorcycle attacked a father and son on the Jaffa promenade, hit the father with a helmet and his friends sprayed them with pepper spray. Among other things, the assailant called out to his son, “You are Jews, your place is not here.” Although the details of the attack are in the possession of the police, an indictment has not yet been filed against him, “demanding that the terrorist and his accomplices be prosecuted for a serious assault of a racist motive.

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    Aviad Glickman, Maor Tzur, “7 Arabs accused of murdering Yigal Yehoshua: “Act for racist motives’ “, News 13, June 24, 2021.

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    Ilana Curiel, “Charge against a person involved in a lynching attempt in the Negev, which attacked during house arrest: ‘Slaughter, d_g Jew’,” YNet, June 14, 2021.

    ‘Abd al-‘Aziz’ Amrani, a resident of the Bedouin diaspora, violated the conditions of his house arrest for a robbery – and participated in the riots in the Negev. The indictment against him attributes to him offenses of terrorist act and causing racist damage.

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    Ilana Curiel, “Six residents of the Negev are accused of participating in riots in the south”, YNet, June 10, 2021.

    Indictments have been filed against four young men and two boys from Malkia for throwing stones at vehicles in the south during riots last month. “Act for a nationalist-racist motive,” it read. So far, no one has been accused of lynching attempts to set vehicles on fire on the roads.

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    Haim Goldich, “Accusation: A teacher at a school in Jerusalem attacks a racist motive in the Old City”, YNet, May 26, 2021.

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    Hagit Hornstein, “Indictment: A severe resident of Haifa was attacked and injured by a racist nationalist motive”, Kolbo News, July 20, 2021.

    Five Arabs, three of them residents of Haifa, are accused of participating in the difficult events that took place during the violent riots in the city last May. Among the offenses attributed to them: an act of terrorism of aggravated intentional sabotage and intentional sabotage of a vehicle motivated by racism.

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    Kan News @kann_news Tweeted: (June 19, 2021):
    They asked him if he was Jewish or Arab, and beat him to the point of unconsciousness: Five Arab-Israelis are charged with a series of terrorist offenses and racist assaults, for attacking Beni Salman in Haifa in May.

    A lawsuit has been filed against Benny Salman’s attackers in Haifa. By Eden Kleiman, HAIPO, July 20, 2021.

    Today (20/07/21) The Haifa District Attorney’s Office filed an indictment in the city district court against Nur Waked (21), Joan Zabidat (21) and Adam Omer (19), residents of Haifa, and against Shadi Mahmoud (24) and Rani Abu Tarif ( 19), that a place is prohibited from publication, which attributes to them the offenses of terrorist act of aggravated sabotage, intentional sabotage of a vehicle motivated by racism, and recklessness and negligence motivated by racism – each according to his part, for their involvement in attacking Haifa resident Bnei Salman (48) and sabotage In a number of vehicles on a racist nationalist background.

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    Oded Bar-Meir, “Vehicles smashed and stones thrown at the head: Serious indictments against boys in the Negev at the ‘Guardian of the Walls.’ ”

    Beersheva.Mynet, July 12, 2021.

    The indictments were filed for committing acts of terrorism during the military operation. Among other things, the indictment reveals a harsh description of stone-throwing in a vehicle and the smashing of stones on the head of a passenger, who finally managed to escape with the help of a local sheikh. Oded Bar-Meir, Beersheva.Mynet, July 12, 2021. The Southern District Attorney’s Office (Criminal) has filed three indictments in the Be’er Sheva District Court against six defendants, including five minors: one is about 15 years old and the other is about 17 years old from Umm Batin. The indictments attribute to each, in turn, the commission of acts of terrorism, throwing or firing a stone or other object at a vehicle, intentional damage to a vehicle from a racist motive, rioting and other offenses..

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    kann News July 12, 2021:
    6 residents of Um Betin, (including 5 minors) are accused in carrying out terrorist practicality or contingent of a stone or another object towards transporting vehicles, interruption and other offenses from racist motivation during the operation of the Guardians of the walls.

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    “Maniac J…, this is our area”: ​​6 accused of assault on a racial basis in Haifa. Lior El-Hai, Ynet, Aug 9, 2021

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    This is “fresh” from today:

    Abraham Bloch, @avribloch Tweeted
    Oct 24, 2021:

    Students of the Chomesh Yeshiva complained to the police that Arabs were throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at them, and also placed an explosive device at the entrance to the yeshiva. In response, large police forces raided the Chumash yeshiva this morning and arrested students.

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    Related, here are two articles from YWN:

    ‘Arrested for Entering Chomesh but Acquitted After Claiming Discrimination’
    February 23, 2016

    Arrested for Entering Chomesh but Acquitted After Claiming Discrimination

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    ‘Arsonists Target Yeshivat Chomesh In The Shomron’
    May 25, 2017

    Arsonists Target Yeshivat Chomesh In The Shomron

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    The full name of the one used human shields in 1939 was:

    Yusuf Sa’id Abu Durra (1900 – 1940 – nom de guerre: Abu Abed). He was one of the chief Arab rebel commanders during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine.

    in reply to: Bigoted BDS Omar Shakir used “apartheid slur” #1971082
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    Time and time again the slur promoters prove they do not want real change. On the contrary, their goal is making Israel look bad.

    This explains, as soon as Arab countries made officially peaceful recognition with Israel and the lie of “racism” was exposed even further, desperate Hagai of betselem had to use the slur, which Omar did after him.

    Interesting though, now two rather very, very liberals, Daniel Kurtzer and Aaron David Miller just wrote in Newsweek against this HRW-Shakir thing, and against use of this term and that it really is counter productive.
    First they denounce the language of so called “crimes” compared to real crimes against humanity. They add that Shakir makes it sound as if conditions are in a vacuum. Of course the constant anti Israel violence and real threats are real.

    in reply to: Four shuls attacked in the Bronx over the weekend #1971083
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    If I am not mistaken, the very first push of anti Haredi incitement in NY in context of Cobid, was an Israeli-American “progressive” journalist. it was before the Levaya where Deblasio reacted the way he did.

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    5TResident, true, but didn’t emply them in anti Jewish hare propaganda.. Whereas Egypt did! In a combination of using them as a tool against Jews.

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    From: James Larry Taulbee: International Crime and Punishment: A Guide to the Issues: A Guide to the Issues: A Guide to the Issues (ABC-CLIO, 2009), p.112

    A Crime without a Name

    Henry Morgenthau, the American ambassador to Turkey (1913–1916) during the first Wilson administration, watched the unfolding policy of the systematic slaughter of Armenians with great concern. He termed it “race murder” because no existing English word captured the full horror of the events he observed.
    Others referred to the policy as the “crime without a name.” Even though the United States would not officially take a position, Morgenthau felt morally compelled to express his personal feeling about what he saw as unacceptable.
    The answer he received from Mehmet Talaat, the Turkish head of state, reveals much about the following discussion of these crimes: “Why are you so interested in the Armenians anyway? . . . You are a Jew, these people are Christians. . . . What have you to complain of? Why can’t you let us do with these Christians as we please?

    His response, quoted in WSJ on May 3, 2015. In an article by L. Gordon Crovitz, titled, ‘The Diplomat Who Called Out Mass Murder’

    Morgenthau replied: “I am not here as a Jew, but as American ambassador. My country contains something like 97 million Christians and something less than three million Jews. So, at least in my ambassadorial capacity, I am 97% Christian. But after all, that is not the point. I do not appeal to you in the name of any race or religion, but merely as a human being.”

    He added: “Our people will never forget these massacres. They will always resent the wholesale destruction of Christians in Turkey.”

    WSJ article adds:

    Morgenthau recruited American missionaries and philanthropists in 1915 to form the American Committee for Armenian and Syrian Relief, which solicited donations from across the U.S. The group distributed vivid posters with the tagline “Give or We Perish.” After leaving his post, Morgenthau often spoke on behalf of the relief effort. Americans contributed $100 million, equivalent to almost $2.5 billion today.

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    I think ujm was referring to violent attacks from (aggressive) Armenians upon Jews prior to the genocide. But saying lives is a must.
    It shoumd also be noted that Jews, jut another minority, feared they would get the same treatment as Armenians from the Turks uf they protested to much…

    In the words of writers, even by unfair critic Mr. Kieser, p.302:

    That Jews would face fate of Armenians as many feared …

    Or this:
    The Jewish World, (Messrs. Philip Johns & Company, 1898), p. 156:

    The Zionist Movement
    West End Meeting …
    Mr. O. J. Simon… regarded the Ottonan Government as a dangerous power. For notwithstanding that he had treated the Jews comparatively well, it had but few Jews and they would be massacred like the Armenians and the Greeks…

    Debate At North London
    … he differentiated between Zionism and the religious idea…
    But if the Sultan did sell Palestine to the Jews, those who went there would suffer the same fate as the Armenians.

    Yet, here is more on:
    <emp>Jews helping Armenian victims</emp>
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    Palestine Daily Mail (Doar Hayom). January 3, 1922. Page 1. [Free translation]:

    Mr. Klorisky, the wise and sharp one in our local politicians, did well to raise a great voice for the benefit of our brethren who are beyond the Euphrates; And beautiful was his proposal to the High Commissioner to open the gates of our charitable country to some of the refugees …

    But there remain other great friends of the Armenians in England itself, and in America in particular, and among these friends we are glad to name, in particular, Dr. Weitzmann in London, and H. Stephen Wise and Morgenthau in Washington.

    From clear sources we know that these three Jews, not only did help the Armenians with advice and money, but thanks to them the governments continued to be interested in the future of Armenia and since – Dr. Weizmann is involved, he will cerainly do much for the Armenian question.

    דאר היום 3 ינואר 1922. גיליון ס”ח No.68
    ארמניה לא מתה

    ויפה עשה ה’ קלוריסקי, זה הנבון והחריף שבמדינאינו המקומיים, להרים קול גדול לטובתם של אחינו אשר מעבר לפרת ; ויפה היתה הצעתו לנציב העליון לפתוח בפני קצת מהפליטים את שערי ארצנו הנדבנית…

    אך נשארו עוד ידידים גדולים לארמנים באנגליה עצמה, ובאמריקה ביחוד, ובין הידידים האלה שמחים אנו למנות, ביחוד, את ד”ר וייצמן בלונדון, ואת ה”ה סטיפן וייז ומורגנטוי בושינגתון.

    ממקורות ברורים יודעים אנחנו, כי שלשת יהודים אלה, לא בלבד שעזר עזרו לארמנים בעצות ובכסף, אלא שהודות להם התמידו הממשלות להתענין בעתידה של ארמניה ובהיות – ד”ר ויצמן בקן, עשה יעשה בטח הרבה גם לשאלה הארמנית.

    in reply to: 1889: Jerusalem = Jewish majority #1962863
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    True, ujm. The JewishVirtualLibrary has an interesting chart in a page titled:
    ‘Demographics of Israel: Population of Jerusalem
    (1844 – Present)’

    in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1917031
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    Shukairy has had a remarkable history . As has been revealed in the pages of Prevent World War III, he worked with the Nazis in the Middle East and was a henchman of the notorious Mufti of Jerusalem who advised Hitler…

    Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the … Congress, Volume 110, Part 22. United States. Congress. U.S. Government Printing Office, 1964, p.525

    in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1916887
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    From July 12, 1946 article:

    Out in Jerusalem, in an office situated ironically on Bethlehem Road, where, according to Jewish legend Mother Rachel weeps at midnight over the plight of her children, the people of Israel, I met Achmed Shukeiri, chief of the Arab Office, who reiterated in his conversation the words of Goebbels justified the murder of six million Jews of Europe “because Hitler could not have been all wrong,” and warned that his side was ready to “play along with Moscow.” They always play along, the Husseini-Shukeiri mob. Outside the Young Men’s Chr. Association building in Jerusalem, where the hearings of the Anglo-American Inquiry Committee were being held at the time, I met Jamal el Husseini; he issued the same warning as Shukeiri (he being Shukeiri’s chief) of playing along with Moscow, and reiterated his justification of the mass murder of six million Jews “for Hitler couldn’t be all wrong… you have got to see both sides of a question, my man, both sides of a question…” Jamal Husseini saw both sides so well that he joined in igniting, at a time most critical for the Allies, the Iraq coup d’etat to gauleiter the Middle East for Hitler


    “Behind Britain’s Zion Conspiracy”
    By Bernard Lerner.
    The Detroit Jewish News July 12, 1946  Page 2 

    “British Actions in Palestine.” By Bernard Lerner, July 12, 1946, The Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Page 7

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    1961 testimony in US Congress:

    Shukairy got his start in “politics” in the early 1930s when he belonged to a group of fanatical extremists led by the ex-Mufti. This gang cooperated with the Communists and prior to the HitlerStalin Pact sought in every possible way to sabotage the Allied war effort against the Nazis in the Middle East. However, when Soviet Russia joined the Allies, Shukairy’s group split with the Communists and went all out for Hitler.</blockquote

    Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the … Congress – United States. Congress – 1961, p.5735 (p.35).

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    From a report in “Ahora!” magazine, volume 186, 1967:

    Shukairy worked with the Russian communists in the past, long before Nasser out of some consequence. But Shukairy is now openly linked with the Chinese communists, although the Chinese and Russian goals of revolutionary uprising seem now to coincide in the Middle East, it differs only as who will emerge on top. Shukairy cooperated with the communist party of Palestine, directed by Moscow before the Second World War. However, after Hitler attacked Russia and the communists around the world changed positions, the fierce and unpredictable Shukairy has aligned himself with Hitler for his programs against the Jews.

    Original text in Spanish:

    Shukairy cooperó con el Partido Comunista de Palestina, dirigido por Moscú antes de la Segunda Guerra Mundial. Sin embargo, después que Hitler atacó a Rusia ya los comunistas en todo el mundo cambió posiciones, el feroz e impredecible Shukairy se alineó con Hitler por sus programas contra los judios.

    in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1901640
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    Here’s more on his extremism, back in 1946:

    SHUKAIRY IN 1946:
    1. ONLY RUSSIA SHOULD DEAL WITH PALESTINE CASE.
    2. WESTETN DEMOCRACY FAILED.
    3. <b>WILL NOT SIT WITH THE JEWS FOR DISCUSSION</b>.
    4. PARTITION, OUT OF THE QUESTION. THREATENS ACTIONS IF INSISTED
    From: Menahem Mansoor, “Political and Diplomatic History of the Arab World, 1900-1967: 1942-52”. ,(NCR Microcard Editions, 1972) p.1

    August, 1946 August 8
    Ahmad Shukairy, Director of the Arab Office in Jerusalem, declared that ” the Arab World is looking eagerly for the stand Moscow will take” on the Palestine problem, and he saw no reason why “America should be a party to the Palestine case and not Russia.”

    From: La Grande Observer, La Grande, Oregon. Thursday, August 8, 1946. Page 5

    Arabs Seek Russian Aid in Preventing Holy Land Split Delegation May Be Sent to Moscow in Effort to Enlist Help Against British
    JERUSALEM, Aug. 8 (UP) Ahmad Shukairy. head of the Arab office, discussed today that unofficial contacts have been made with Moscow with view to obtaining Soviet support for Palestine Arabs in opposing Britain’s proposed partition of the Holy Land.
    Shukairy said that it was possible that an Arab delegation would be sent Moscow even before the Palestine issue is raised before the United Nations general assembly now scheduled to meet Sept. 23 in New York City. “We are already somewhat late in doing this,” he said, but added that unofficial, contacts with the Soviet had- been made and that official contacts, will follow.
    British Plan Hit
    Shukairy emphasized that Arabs oppose in strongest fashion the British-plan to split Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish provinces under British control. He predicted that the Arab states will not participate in the discussions Britain- has scheduled so long as partition is on the agenda.
    He also reemphasized that <b>Arabs would hot participate in any round-table discussion with the Jews</b>. Arab States which already have accepted invitations to the London conference, he said, did so before they knew that Britain had the partition plan in mind…
    He said that <b>western democracy and democratic principles had failed in Palestine</b>.
    Russia Face Test
    “Palestine now provides an acid test for the Soviet regime,” he said, “whether it will project its philosophy toward assisting the Arabs.” If Britain insists on proceeding with its partition plan, he said thaf Palestine “which is on the verge of struggle will fight.”</blockqote>

    in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1900891
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    Dear Charliehal. You mean economics, no ideological support… forced because of isolation stemming from the goliath sea of Arab Islamic neighbors boycotting the “other” in their midst. The non-Arab, non-Muslim entity. Now that is the GOLIATH APARTHEID.
    Any wonder neo nazis and Iran/Hezbollsh/Hamas/Erduan can’t stand that the Arab Apartheid wall has been a bit weakened by the current UAE/Bahrain deals.

    in reply to: Mainstream Media Bias #1900452
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    Media bias: see
    * CAMERA [dot org]
    and
    * honestReporting

    in reply to: BLM vs HAMAS #1897918
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    To charliehal.
    I hope you dont rely on biased wikipedia’s for “information” re Israel and “Palestinians”.

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    See:

    “The gathering storm, and beyond. Israel is the aboriginal homeland of the Jewish people across space & time.” By Irwin Cotler. The Jerusalem Post. May 14, 2008

    in reply to: BLM vs HAMAS #1895969
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    Dear n0mesorah, topic was BLM vs HAMAS. so I replied on both.

    in reply to: BLM vs HAMAS #1895754
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    1. There is a difference between the idea that lives matter with an emphasis of groups who have been treated unfairly.

    2. BLM as a movement has been tainted by hatred. Though not all BLM activists are necessarily haters.

    3. Fedayeen, PFLP,PLO,Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa brigade , Tanzim… or any other Arab “palestinian” violent group were/are about between ethnic cleansing and eliminating the Jews in Israel. No matter under what banner they have used.

    in reply to: Approaching 18 yrs to Meron Junction massacre #1884848
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    From:
    Daily alert, 2010-11-01 , 10:07:27

    The Open Racism of the Future State of Palestine

    (Scholars for Peace in the Middle East) Shmuel Trigano –

    When considering the possibility that an outside force could be given the responsibility of overseeing the implementation of a planned agreement with Israel in the West Bank, PA President Mahmoud Abbas told the Egyptian press in Cairo at the beginning of August: “I am ready to accept a third party which supervises the implementation of the agreement, NATO forces, for example, but I will not accept the presence of Jews in these forces or a [single] Israeli on the Land of Palestine.”

    There is a perfect coherence between this demand and the refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The Palestinian Authority is building a racist regime based on the principle of establishing an apartheid between a Palestine untainted by Jewish blood and a mixed State of Israel.

    According to the draft constitution of the planned state, Palestine proper would be Arab and Islamic:
    “This constitution is based on the will of Palestinian-Arab people” (Article 1),
    “the Palestinian people are a part of the Arab and Islamic nation” (Article 2),
    “sovereignty belongs to the Palestinian Arab people” (Article 10),
    “the legal character of the Arab-Palestinian people will be embodied by the state” (Article 13),
    “Islam will be the official religion of the state” (Article 6).
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    The writer, a fellow of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, is professor of the sociology of politics at Paris University.

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