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  • in reply to: Getting your Child Into a School in Lakewood #620929
    jphone
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    Its probably a matter of perception. everyone wants to go to the same place because it is “THE” place to go. Practically speaking how many students can be put into the same school. Bli Ayin Hara, the communities in Monroe, WillieB and Boro Park are also growing – kein yirbu – possibly faster than Lakewood – however we dont hear of anyone complaining they cant get their chilren into school. This appears to be an “issue” (I hate using this word) unique to Lakewood. Why?

    in reply to: When to stop #620253
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    You daven on the train on the way to work. 🙂

    Several weeks ago, I witnessed my rav walk over to several people after maariv and tell them “you can stop talking now, we finished davening”.

    in reply to: Stealing your neigbours cleaning lady! #1154658
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    Training? What type of training is required to clean a toilet and run the vaccuum over the carpet?

    in reply to: Daveing with Crocs #620602
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    I still remember my days as a camp counselor and the policy that anyone over bar mitzvah was required to wear a hat and jacket. what I specifically remember were those who came from a backround that was not “black hat” in fact the hats were colorless, or shall I say they did not wear hats to davening. Push came to shove and camp policy won out. One guy purchased a hat in the disney store that had ears that flapped when you pulled a string under the chin. I’m not sure how it awakened anyone to daven with more kavanah, BUT he was wearing a hat! Thats all that seemed to matter.

    in reply to: Getting your Child Into a School in Lakewood #620927
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    I dont live in Lakewood. B”H I do not have to go through the situation described above to register my children for yeshiva. The one quesiton I have is: If it is so difficult to get children into yeshivos, why doesnt someone open up another yeshiva? It is a supply and demand issue (I hate to boil chinuch down to something so bade, but thats the way it seems). Who will stop a respected mechanech from opening up a yeshiva? Certainly not the Shulchan Aruch. Kinnas Sofrim Tarbeh Chachma. The truth will come out when people will try to stop it. All the agendas will come to the fore.

    Have the Roshei Yeshiva at BMG said anything about this?

    in reply to: Daveing with Crocs #620597
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    This is very silly.

    in reply to: Lift & Cut Shavers #623656
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    Well, good for your father. Since nobody is actively looking to interview and hire “the guy with the long beard”, legitimate histadlus requires a neat appearance.

    in reply to: Out Of The Mailbag: (Get Education!) #619728
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    The tannaim and aamoriim had jobs, didnt they?

    Hillel cut wood for a living. R’ Yitzchak Nafcha, was exactly what his name implied.

    I do not intend to knock ANYONE who sits and learns, and I never will. If they can, kal hakavod to them. I wish I had the ability to learn 20 hours a day and provide for my family like I promised in my kesubah.

    The mishna discusses each city to provide for “asara batlanim” so that a minyan of people would be engaged in learning all day and someone who entered the shul would always find a minyan if needed. the mishna does not say, to the best of my knowledge “kul hamarbe harei zeh mishubach” (that a city should try for 20 or 30 “batlanim”). That is an individual choice each person made. Some earned their parnassha in 2 hours a day. Others in 10 hours a day. Whatever it was, they used the remainder of their time to learn.

    Halevay everyone should have the ability to learn for 20 hours a day, but until that becomes a reality, some people have to prepare for reality, put in the proper hishtadlus and get a degree so that can get a job. It shouldnt be disdianed.

    in reply to: Why? #1099701
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    It is important to note that the internet gives a person the ability to be absolutely anonymous. Anyone, can write anything whether they mean it seriously, whether they are looking to rile people up or because they simply want to write the 1st thing that pops into their head. I have found that the best way to deal with ANYTHING I read on the web that comes from an anonymous source is to take it with a VERY LARGE grain of salt.

    in reply to: Stealing your neigbours cleaning lady! #1154649
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    YOUR lady?

    Goodness, is this the South pre civil war?

    I dont know the halacha but I remember Mishpacha magazine in the “monetary matters” section discussed the relevant halachos. The book “Lost Scotch” also discusses a similar case and the relevant halachos.

    in reply to: Lift & Cut Shavers #623653
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    Koton:

    Thank you for issueing a psak in this matter. I am certain the oilam is out burning their shavers right now.

    WHY someone might shave? Here is one very valid reason. Not everyone is zoche to sit and learn all day. Some people have to go out and earn a parnassa. In the pursuit of parnassa it is required to be clean shaven, OR, at the very least, sport a neatly trimmed beard. Long overgrown beards that have not been trimmed are a detriment to the earning of a parnassa.

    Since you have no problems issuing a psak for all cyberspace, would you care to rule on the permissibility, or lack thereof, of trimming ones beard?If it is allowed, what instruments are allowed?

    in reply to: Tzedek Tzedek Tirdof…….ALWAYS?? #1099642
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    Again, why wasnt this last piece of the equation repeated to the “dass torah” who agreed that there was a valid claim to go to a din torah? Was the questioner afraid that the rav would have said “your right BUT, dont take your parents to a din torah”?

    jphone
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    Actually it IS the place of Rabbonim to chase after people with a stick. Shoftim VISHOTRIM….

    The Shotrim werent there to chauffeur around the Shoftim and to buy them lunch.

    in reply to: Chilul Hashem #643077
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    I would ask a Rav and not follow the opinions of someone you met in Cyberspace. Even one called Yeshiva World News.

    in reply to: Tzedek Tzedek Tirdof…….ALWAYS?? #1099637
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    “They refuse in the most stubborn manner, insisting that your proof(which has been accepted by your Daas Torah) is bogus”

    I dont get it. why was “daas torah” not told that the issue was with the parents? Wouldnt it be more prudent to ask daas torah if a)allowed or even of allowed b)advisable, to take a parent to din torah?

    in reply to: Tznius: a woman’s issue #623804
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    It is an attitude. The “in your face” attitude of our generation, whether it be in dress, action, speech is all the antithesis of “hatznea leches”.

    in reply to: Tznius: a woman’s issue #623794
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    Eli Lev: The meforshim on “hatznea leches im hashem elokecha” respectfully disagree with you.

    in reply to: Danger of Talking on Cellphone When Driving!! #642435
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    To those who insist on driving while distracted, and it includes lot more than talking on a phone. Eating, shaving, reading a paper, horsing around (the list is endless) I can only say “shomer pisayim hashem”, hashem should also watch over everyone these thoughtless people put in harms way with their dangerous actions.

    in reply to: Tznius: a woman’s issue #623792
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    Hypothetical questions, normally deserve hypothetical answers. However, “Feivels” hypothetical question is one of the first simanim in shulchan aruch. There is an entire siman devoted to halachos of getting dressed, including halachos how to maintain a level of Tznius even when nobody is around. After all, hashem is always around.

    Is Tznius really about how we appear before other people or how we carry ourselves even when noone is around?

    To the woman who laughed at the suggestion that women dress to catch the eyes of men. It is irrelevant WHY a woman dresses provocatively, the fact is, it is wrong. Pink shirts can be tzniusdik and they may not be, the same with blue, black or mandarin orange.

    in reply to: Tznius: a woman’s issue #623787
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    My thoughts are my thoughts. That you choose to stimulate them, is MY problem as well as yours (lifnei iver is something women are obligated to avoid as well).

    Your personal attack aside, you avoided answering my question. Why do you dress to impress other women? Are you insecure that you have to do this? Is their some sort of scoring system with judges scoring how women are dressed? Do you receive an update once a week and when you see you are falling behind dress even more provocatively to get other womens attention (of course men will be wearing blinders and staring at the sidewalk and wont see any of this – except for me on a bad day, everyone else is a perfect tzadik). Is one upmanship consistent with hatznea leches?

    I’m surprised my earlier message was deleted. Either it should have never been posted or once up, left up. I dont think there was a major lack of tznius AND the questions posed in that message still need answering. In this “in your face generation” there are certain things that I would prefer not to have in my face, certainly not placed there by frum women.

    in reply to: Should pro-freikeit commentors be given a voice? #625867
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    In my humble opionion, let them write whatever they want. People with intelligence will be able to figure out what is and what is not correct. If someone is unsure, if they are intellectually honest, they would ask a question, to their Rav, mentor or whatever it is they call this person.

    I’m not sure where YWN wants to go with this “coffee room” area of their site, that is not really devoted to news, but if they are interested in creating a “chat area” then let all types of poster, heck I wouldnt care if missionaries came and posted messages (yes they are annoying), if that was the purpose of the “cofee room”. If someone wants to challenge the torah let them. There are enough people who can deal with them.

    in reply to: Catskills Wal-Mart #690748
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    Frumteen. Ohr Nava is NOT for those who are in the dark alleys and the other places you describe. It is for the girl or boy who would not do those things unless they were placed in a situation where they were tempted to do so. The ability to bowl without that temptation is TREMENDOUS. I am the father of a teen. I allow my child to go bowling motzai shabbos this summer because the temptations while waiting for a lane are no longer there.

    You missed the point entirely, but then again, most teens (or those who think them) usually do.

    in reply to: Tznius: a woman’s issue #623782
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    To “Somebody”. Why are you dressing to impress other women, like many other things in life done to impress other people, it implies some sort of insecurity.

    Moreover, this drive to impress other women is the exact opposite of “tzniyus”. Not tzniyus as defined by hem lines and the amount of curves shown. “Hatznea Leches” includes how one condutcs themselves in public. “Walking the runway” modeling your clothes for other women is not “hatnea leches”.

    in reply to: Out Of The Mailbag: (Bungalow Colony Binge Drinking) #619613
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    On the lighter side of things. I cant seem to choose the “right” bungalow colonoy for the summer, the “right” kiddush to attend where pritzus and shikrus are rampant or the simcha where the women are dressed provocatively. I seem to miss out on everything 🙁

    On a more serious note.

    A mans wife has a lot of sway over the way he acts. If the wives of the colony would tell their husbands they didnt approve of the way they stagger out of shul on shabbos morning, perhaps it would lead to a discussion of what might be wrong with it. If a wife speaking to her husband leads nowehere, then these men have a bigger problem than drinking (unless it is the wives that drive them to drink to begin with – ok, thats an attempt – albeit a poor one – at humor).

    If the “standing Rav” is an alcoholic how should his “congregants” behave any different, after all, if its good enough for the Rav…..

    Left unsaid is, where are the children in all this? Are they sent out of shul prior to the drinking? Do they witness the drinking or just the aftermath? What lesson are the kids learning?

    Is the shul an appropriate place to binge drink? The way this is described makes it sound like a frat party, and not a kiddush in shul. In fact, the behavior described is the antithesis of the word kiddush!

    Perhaps the non drinkers should start their own baseball team? I would imagine there are at least 9 out of the 40 men who do not indulge in this binge drinking. There must be at least 9 scotch drinkers in the crowd who are not involved in the guzzling of bourbon.

    in reply to: Out Of The Mailbag: (Who Are Our Camp Counselors?) #619582
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    Someone wrote:

    “I’ve never been to camp. I’m way too Yeshivish.”

    What in the world is this supposed to mean? 🙂

    in reply to: Lipas New CD #624128
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    I guess many in the “Jewish music” industry follow the psak of the Chida 🙂

    in reply to: Young Bochurim Hitching? #619633
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    This past weekend in the mountains I encountered 2 situations that many people here discussed regarding hitching in general and YOUNG BACHURIM in particular.

    On Thursday night, I was traveling from Woodridge to South Fallsburg at 11:30pm. At the “Four Corners” while waiting for a light to change green, I was approached by 3 young boys, who did not look a day over 17 looking for a ride to the Wal Mart in Monticello. When I told them I was only going as far as SF, they replied that would be fine, I should let them out in SF and they would look for a ride the reaminder of the way. I agreed on one condition, that I be able to call their mother and ask if they had any problems with me picking up their sons at 11:30PM in Woodridge and leaving them on the side of the road in SF. If their mother says yes, I would do it. Of course they all declined and I told them I couldnt take the responsibility of leaving them on the side of the road in SF so late at night (I wouldnt do it in broad daylight either). These boys were “off duty” from a local camp. Where was the camp supervision of these boys? Do their parents know where they are off to late at night? How did they plan on getting BACK to Woodridge from Monticello when they were done shopping? This is hefkeirus. Normally we think of hefkeirus where pritzus is involived, but I think this type of hefkeirus needs to be addressed. These were not “kids at risk”, they were 3 bachurim, in their black pants, white shirts along with their hatds and jackets.

    The second encounter occured on my way back to the city early in the morning (before 5AM) while it was still dark outside AND raining pretty heavily with a little fog to boot. Someone standing in the rain, practically in the middle of the road looking for a ride back to the city, was nearly run over by the car 2 cars in front of me. He was dressed wearing all black, except for his white shirt, which was hardly visible anyway. Was it so important for him to get back to the city that he had to risk his life and serious injury to a motorist and hitch in such a manner, especially in such weather? When will people who do this start to wear reflective strips on their clothing? Does an accident R’L have to happen?

    in reply to: Out Of The Mailbag: (Who Are Our Camp Counselors?) #619565
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    This is the classical catch 22 situation.

    On the one hand, we want our best bachurim to learn as much as possible, on the other hand, we want the best bachurim to be the counselors of our children for the influence they can have on them.

    Practically speaking, extending the yeshiva ketana school year through Tammuz albeit on a lighter schedule is not all that practical considering counselors are STILL needed for the time that the children would be in english classes. Moreover, kids would still be home at 5pm with nothing to do. The last 3-4 hours of daylight would make everyone crazy with not much to do.

    There are a number of fine yeshivos that do NOT require their high school bachurim to attend the “yeshivas camp” for Tammuz and the bachurim are allowed to work in camps. In fact, it does not appear that camps have a lack of quality counselors.

    in reply to: Young Bochurim Hitching? #619632
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    Back to the subject of this thread. YOUNG BACHURIM hitching rides.

    I assume young bachurim refers to bouys 14-20 years old (although I have NO idea what the original poster meant).

    Should teenage bouys be hitching ANYWHERE? If they re going to, or coming from yeshiva, dont their parents have an obligation to make sure they have a way to do so? If it is Bein Hazmanim, shouldnt their parents know where they are, what they are doing and how thye plan on getting their?

    in reply to: Lipas New CD #624123
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    Lesschumras. You are splitting hairs. At any rate, we are often not talking about style of music but rather ACTUAL MUSIC from non jewish songs some popular and some not so.

    in reply to: Young Bochurim Hitching? #619631
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    Lifum Tzara Agra. I agree. Nevertheless, it is not fair to PLAN to come on to someone else and then give them a dirty look as they drive by and do not stop. There are many reasons people do not stop.

    in reply to: Young Bochurim Hitching? #619626
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    You also have to consider that a bad experience sometimes makes people wary about doing something.

    I was a passenger in a car going from South Fallsburg back to the city. A young couple was waiting, with who I assumed correctly were their parents at a popular hitching area. I stopped. the father asked if I was going to Brooklyn. I replied I was, to Flatbush. I was asked if I could take the youg couple to Boro Park. I said yes. The father told me that they are from WilliB, but didnt want to take me to far out of the way and they would catch a bus from BP back to WilliB. I didnt argue, especially since neither I, or the driver knew our way around WilliB and we would arrive well after midnight.

    Of course, it was time for the young couple to climb in. Not going into details, the wife couldnt sit next to her husband (this was in a minivan that had 2 separate seats in the middle row, but to each their own), so I had to move to the middle row next to the husband and the wife climbed into the passenger seat in front.

    The conversation in the van was non-existent, neither I nor the drive speak much yiddish. The wife who spoke english, wouldnt speak with men. The driver and I conversed in english and the couple conversed in Yiddish. We basicly ignored each other. It was quite uncomfortable.

    Of course, there was a lot of traffic and we didnt get to the GWB until close to 1AM. At that point, we didnt feel comfortable leaving this couple in BP to search for a car service and told them we would take them to WilliB. Due to the language barrier directions to their apartment was not easy. We spent 30 minutes driving around until we happened to find the right street. It was now 2am and we had to figure out how to get out of WilliB and over to flatbush. We finally found a copy who gave us directions.

    Now, dont get me wrong, I do not regret the chesed at all. But at the same time, it is in the back of my mind anytime I see someone looking for a ride.

    It is very easy to say “did you think about that?” to someone who doesnt stop to pick someone up. To those who are standing with their thumbs out, did you ever think about what I just wrote and why someone is hesitant to stop?

    in reply to: Young Bochurim Hitching? #619625
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    someoneinthisworld: Think of it from the perspective of the driver. It is after 12 (I assume midnight), people have every right to be wary.

    in reply to: Why Yidden are the BEST! #1166242
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    Its been examined. Anyway, we ARE better because we have the Torah. Of course, having the torah and living how its wants us to, are 2 different things.

    in reply to: Lipas New CD #624117
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    Lipa is not the “kohen” of this Dor 🙂

    in reply to: Lipas New CD #624115
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    Gelt is “borrowed” from the Rap genre of music. I am not talking about the words, just the style of music.

    A number of guitar solos sound very much like Jimmi Hendrix (of course Lipa is not playing the guitar, nor is he the musical composer, but it is called his album and his song).

    This is not limited to Lipa. Much of what passes for Jewish music today, the music, the sound and style, is ripped straight from pop culture.

    in reply to: Danger of Talking on Cellphone When Driving!! #642424
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    Granted this is a forum where frum people typically are the readers and writers, nevertheless, it isn’t fair to paint this as a “frum” problem. The overall percentage of the general population that flaunts the “hands free driving laws” is no better than the “frum”.

    It should be pointed out that hands free driving laws targeted talking on phones and texting on these same devices, but eating lunch while driving is just as distracting. So is, doing your nails, fixing your make up, shaving, making a tie, programming your GPS while going 70 on the highway (the list is endless). Bottom line. A car is a dangerous weapon if improperly used. If you dont care about “vinishmartem” for yourself, at least care about everyone else.

    in reply to: What’s Your Favorite Restaurant In Town? #666593
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    Mine is “Bubbys”, in Forest Hills (NY). Nothing like it. Service is great, portions are huge, no reservation is ever needed, the food is delicious and the price just can’t be beat.

    I’m sure everyone feels the same about their own Bubbys cooking.

    in reply to: Why Yidden are the BEST! #1166232
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    DR Pepper. You really didnt mean to write “Setting our personal views aside, (we may have different views but at the end of the day we all pray to the same person,)”, did you?

    PERSON???!!??!?!?! What yeshiva did you learn in, Mesivta Gedola DiNazareth?

    in reply to: Smoking Cigarettes #619782
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    I always had a lot of respect for my Rebbe, despite the fact that he was a big smoker. The level of respect shot way up when he quit smoking. He explained “how” he quit.

    His Rebbe, held like the opinions that one should not smoke on Yom Tov (I am not issuing a psak, merely stating the opinion held by this Rosh Yeshiva,) so no matter how much my Rebbe wanted to smoke, he knew that his own Posek ruled no, so he did not, it was akin to eating treif. It was that much harder on a “3 day yom tov”. Nevertheless, he managed to survive without smoking. After Yom Tov, he wanted to light up. He tried to rationalize “hop he addicted he is”, “how enjoyable it is” and then he realized he lived without this “addiction” for three days and nothing happened to him. He felt that all the reasons he gave for smoking until that point, were nothing more than excuses. He simply stopped smoking. As a product of a “Slabodka Mussar” yeshiva, the gadlus ha’adam told him, stop giving into this naarishkeit. And he did. Cold Turkey. He stopped smoking about 3 minutes before Shkiya one Erev Yom Tov and never resumed.

    in reply to: Young Bochurim Hitching? #619616
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    It is even legal to stand on the side of the road and hitch?

    in reply to: Broke Bochurim Going to Friend’s Weddings #627069
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    I’m not sure I understand this entire thread. I would LOVE to go to Eretz Yisroel, I cant afford it, so I dont go. I would LOVE to fly to Vienna to be at my nephews wedding. I dont have the money for the ticket, I dont go. I understand bachurim want to go to their friends wedding, but sometimes, it just isnt meant to be, whether it is due to finances, time constraints or other obligations. Does someone have a right to expect to be reimbursed for attending ANY function?

    in reply to: Why Yidden are the BEST! #1166227
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    WE are the Am Hanivchar. WE have the Torah. Of course we are the best 🙂

    The question really should be, to provide stories that drive home this point. the web (including YWN) is filled with so many negative topics, it would be nice to read about all the fine yidden and their wonderful deeds.

    in reply to: Acceptance Committees in Charedi communities in Eretz Yisrael #619909
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    Come on, everyone knows what happened on TV. They saw it when they were over at their grandparents house 🙂

    in reply to: A Thread That is Not Really About a New Cd by Boruch Levine #1026321
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    Whats the difference how I know from “foreigner”, “axel f”, “AC/DC” etc… at least I dont make an attempt to fool myself, or others that I am enjoying “nice jewish music”.

    It is what is called a “red herring”. The fact remains that alot of what passes for “jewish” music today, in fact has its roots in what is called today “classic rock”, pop, techno music and many times, not just roots, but the ACTUAL music, whether as an intro to a song or the actual tune of song is from a non jewish source.

    Next time you are at a simcha and dance the hora to Piamentas asher bara, think “men at work”, when you hear Benny Amars new “Sova” think Beverly Hills Cop. Next time you see a guitarist at a simcha gyrate, think Prince, Michael Jackson and others “heimishe menchen”.

    Perhaps all “jewish” music should now come with an “ishur” that that the words and tunes do not derive from non jewish sources just so those who are not “beki’im” should know the source for their musical entertainment.

    in reply to: Out Of The Mailbag: (Why I Hate Graduations) #620107
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    (Written with tongue firmly planted in cheek)

    I think we should stop putting up plaques for all those who donate to worthy causes, after all, how do those who do not have money to donate feel when they see the plaque?

    in reply to: A Thread That is Not Really About a New Cd by Boruch Levine #1026312
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    I’ll settle for “we want music”. Some of the loud noise that passes for music (even “jewish”) these days is just loud and annoying.

    I am I the only one who is disgusted by a recently released CD, that uses the music from the song Axle F (from the movie Beverly Hills Cop) to introducea song with words from sefer tehillim?

    in reply to: How to increase Tzinius #1086112
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    The “shabbos parade” up Kings Highway held every year has done wonders for Kedushas Shabbos. Specifically, the number of Jewish owned stores that are now closed on Shabbos.

    I wonder if it is time to organize a “Tznius parade”, stopping at all heimishe owned stores, displaying clothing that “crosses the line” and threatening not to shop their until the store fully removes all clothing not suitable for the members of our community. Notice, I did not say women, men have no hetter to wear outlandish, loud and garrish clothing either. There may be no rules about hemlines and necklines but rules still do exist.

    Of course, the self righteous will start with “its yennems parnassa, who gives you the right” (I doubt they feel this way if we were talking about kasrush of food or chillul shabbos), and similar “arguments”, but perhaps it is time.

    Just a thought.

    in reply to: How to increase Tzinius #1086111
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    Al Tarbe Sicha im Isha. Notice the mishne clearly stresses your own wife and it does not say al tarbe “dibbur” , rather Sicha. See what some of the miforshim on the mishna have to say about Sicha (as opposed to dibbur) in general.

    Once done, then read the next line of the mishna “bishto amru, kal vechomer…..”. Chazal knew exactly what they were talking about. Problem is, we think we are smarter than them.

    in reply to: Catskills Wal-Mart #690733
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    It IS true the locals don’t like us. I go to South Fallsburg 8-10 times during the winter. I have family living there. The difference is, that for 10 months of the year, we are not the majority population. For 2 months of the year, we are.

    Lets call a spade a spade. When the Wal-Mart in Monticello had to send a letter to the Agudah discussing the horrible chillul hashem made in many ways over the summer months, it wasn’t because they hate us. They love every one of the millions of dollars we spend in their store, summer after summer after summer. What they DO NOT like, and rightfully so, is that we take advantage of a return policy in ways not intended. Is there a reason Wal-Mart has been reffered to as the Toy Gemach, Bike Gemach and A/C Gemach? That we take advantage of a large air conditioned store and use it as a babysitting service. I dont know what the policy is on 13th avenue or Lee avenue or on Ave J (insert your own avenue here), but if store policy is that one should refrain from riding the bicycles around the toy section, then it must be honored, even if it just for “a few minutes”. Must camps take their staff to Wal-Mart UNSERPERVISED for staff night out?

    The Laytzanus and Kalush Rosh that occurs in the store is unaccaptable by ANYONES standards, certainly not ours.

    . Should teenage girls be racing shopping carts up and down the aisles? (Iv’e been hit by these wagons, luckily for the girls I was not a “local”.

    . Should underage boys and girls be asking people to buy beer for them? (Been asked a number of times – where is the camp supervision of these kids?)

    . Is it proper to return an obviously used bicycle during the last week of August because “my son is too big for it”? The customer service lines the last week of August with customers returning things is a sight to behold. I bet no other store in america does that many returns in a month, as this WalMart does in a week.

    Lets leave the store for moment and head out into the parking lot. Double parking, horn honking, blocking pedestrians and cars. It doesnt matter that “they do it too”. WE should know and act better.

    Lets leave the parking lot and head out to the streets. Speeding, double parking, incessant horn honking. WE should know better. We probably DO know better, but dont act on it.

    I am NOT in any way saying that WE act like this. However, even if ONE of us acts this way it is a chillul hashem and it reflects on All of us. Unfortunately more than one of us act this way, a small minority to be sure, but vocal and visible enough to have US painted with a very broad brush a certain way.

    Yaasher Koach to Ohr Naavah for having the guts to say it like it is and DOING something about it. At least the girls will have a place to go Motsai Shabbos. Now we have to find something for them to do 5 more nights of the week (hopefully, they dont go far on Friday night). Perhaps the camps should rethink where they let their staff go, and when. Parents who allow their children to work in the mountains have an achraiyus to make certain they know what their children are doing after work hours while they are 125 miles away in the city. Perhaps those who employ them should be required to keep an eye on them? I know it is not realistic, but from some of the comments people made about Agriprocessors and their choice of employees, at least THEY should agree that employers be careful who they hire.

    At the end of the day, each individual is responsible for their own actions and the kiddush hashem (or chas veshalom, chillul hashem) it creates.

    Is it WalMarts fault? Lets not be ridiculous. Is it the fault of the “locals” who “hate” us for blowing things out of proportion? Come on, lame excuse. Besides, we SHOULD be held to a higher standard, dont we believe that WE are the AM SEGULA? Parents and camps that allow children to roam free are the true culprits. What do they expect their children to do with unfettered freedom?

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