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Mrs B Stein, Mrs L Speigel and Mrs C Most all in Lakewood focus on divorce. i’m not sure if i’m allowed to post their email or phone numbers.
there is actually a special panel within dor yesharim specifically for cousins considering marrying each other. i know a famly where they had affected sick/niftar children, and they got DY to have this panel available to prevent such future scenarios.
i forgot its name, but i’m sure if you ask for it, the will know what you are talking about.
try reaching out to shadchonim that specialize in medical and sensitive shidduchim. you can find such by googling. there are a couple good ones in LakewoodOctober 10, 2013 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm in reply to: Any Solution For Affordable Housing in Jewish Communities #978654
OUTSKIRTS OF LKWD ARE CHEAPER.. U CAN GET NICE HOUSE FOR UNDER $300KDecember 28, 2011 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm in reply to: Separate Times For Bochurim & Sem Girls In Gateshead #1029664
girls time is BEFORE boys time.. so story makes no sense!December 26, 2011 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm in reply to: What Mesivta is extremely warm and easy going, which you would recommend? #840888
wrong adress.. try your sons rebbeim. or contact rebbeim in other places..
this is way too individualized question..
what about your own Rav?
Afikei Torah (does it still exist?)
I recently heard that this VISA thing has somethign to do with Razel Reit and credits.. something became more complicated than it was previously.
Try speaking to some girls who were there within past 2 years..
Its similar to Hadar… if you don’t understand what i mean.. then i guess it doesn’t matter..
I know a girl that chose Tiferes over Hadar cause she was very competitive type and she wanted to relax more..
If you’re gonna pull apart any example i give to explain ‘more greasy’ then its gonna be hard.. Tiferes has more lkwd girls than out of town..
B”H i have no ide what you talking about!! i’m a woman.. who has had children.. & i’m not on my meds! and i know for sure that noone of my friends are on either (although, i could recommend that a couple of them might benefit!)
No, nothing unyeshivish about hadar.. but tiferes runs a shtick more greasy! as one person said who actually went there to check them both out..
In Hadar the girls had their top button open (totally tnius of course), in tiferes, they had their top button done up.. (and in a 3rd place which we shall not mention, there were 2 buttons open!)
or you could use the example of a womans snood.. how low down she wears it.. (except that noone in seminary is wearing snoods yet!)
Best way to describe is;
you can get away with beign less academic in Tiferes. There is more pressure in Hadar. but there are plenty of less acadmic girls in hadar too.
Tiferes does run a little more yeshiviah
there are many more yeshivas then there are seminaries..
yeshivas are more individualized..
boys have rebbeim who help them make decisins..
boys belong to chaburahs.. and chavrusahs which help them decide where they move to.. girls may have friendsa.. but they aren’t a factor in these decisions
girls more private.. don’t want to share their options with their friends..
I’m firm believer, wehn there’s a will, there’s a way. If you really did research.. and this is really what you want.. then do as much as you can ot get in. Write them a personal letter as to why you wnat to go there. Get teachers, role models , parents to write too! try and find contats who are already there and can put in a good word for you.
But don’t forget, with such a huge Alumni, they do hae a lot of ‘chiuvim’ like students children etc
ps. Rabbi Simcha Kohn (pronounced Korn, who’s father started the Seminary) is the main Head and Rabbi Todros Miller (son of Rabbi Mordechai Miller z”l) is the 2nd one.
and don’t forget your pull UP ABOVE in SHOMAYIM!
British Bais Yaakov’s do not focus on mefarshim like American BY’s.
age – i’m not sure – perhaps a 18+ girl might have harder time getting in.. not sure. they reluctant to take girls who will not stay the 3 yr course. not that anyone knows what future holds.. but its a commitment that they do like. That is certainly something that you should stress in your application – that bearing unforseen circumstances, you do intend to stay 3 years.
Rabbi Falk – also Bedikas Toli’im (bugs!) very interesting.. but only in 3rd year. Hilchos Brachos in 1st year. Yichud.. and otherstuff i can’t receall..
basic teaching/social/educational skills are taught in 1st year. More taught in 2nd year. Actual hands on teaching etc is in 3rd year. sometimes at end of 2nd year, you might start observing in the schools.. all depends on how many girls in each class..
I’massuming you are American.. if you are not particularly good at textual stuff.. you will still be much better than the average British girl.. I certainly would not worry on that front. I don’t recall ever being an issue re; being called upon in class. if it was, it was more to read basic chumash.. not mefarshim.
The british girls all come age 16.. but turn 17 during the year (could even be rightaway) All other nationalities typically start off 12-18 months older. I recall in my days where there were 3 American girls who were all classmated in America who ended up in 3 different years.. one came after 10th grade, one after 11th & the other after 12th! It is not rare for there to be 16 and 19 yr olds in that 1st yaer. Age is not an issue there at all. It’s only an advantage cause it gives the place a more mature atmosphere. Even though split in 3 classes.. everyone eats and sleeps mixed up classes.. and there are a few shiurim on shabbos and during week that are everyone together.
There are Women teachers. I think they mainly teach the Teachers Training & social development stuff.
FOCUS – like you said. Good old fashioned Emesdikeh Torah Haskofos.. from Talmidei Chachomin. Mussar, self development. teaching you to THINK.. and not to glide thru life. Many students do end up becoming teachers. it is a product of knowing so much and wanting to give it over.. the teaching program is great.. you can get hands on teaching experience in the Gateshead schools. you pick the age that inteerest you.
As in any place, there are many graduates of G’head sem who unfortunately do not resemble or reflect the education they got there.. shame..
3 years – like you said.. many advantages.. some are
1stly.. having a 3 year program cultivates a ‘mesorah’ style amongst the girls themselves.. very powerful.
its more relaxed style learning.. you live it and absorb it by default.. not cause you’re cramming in knowledge.
Expression – Hashkafas can’t be Taught, they are ‘Caught’! – hence more long lasting.. & obviously, much easier done in a longer program.
Friendships – real & longlasting.. I have deeper & more meaningful ones with seminarygirls than i do with girls i grew up with!
visa – to enter Britain if yo’re not a citizen.. you must have student visa or some equivelent.. tjhere was an issue last year.. I don’t know where the shortage came from.. did the sem apply for too little.. or did Britain only allocate too few.. just a technical issue to work through.. that i’m sure Hashem will figure out for you.. if its bashert!
ps. The hilchos Shabbos shiurim from Rabbi Falk are absolutely incredible. Where else are girls taught such crucial halachos from such a famous Posek.
Yup, i went there.. changed me for life!December 6, 2011 12:10 am at 12:10 am in reply to: Separate Times For Bochurim & Sem Girls In Gateshead #1029596
its just a practical solution to a problem unique to Gateshead.. where there are only a handful of stores serving the small kehila.,. yet during the afternoon break there are over 600 seminary girls and over 2 thousand yeshiva bochurim (i think) who all need to patronise those same few stores.
ps. there is a large grocery store in Lakewood that has very late hours some evenings that are reserved just for men. If you don’t like it – go elsewhere! once again.. its a practical solution to many who appreciate it
each to their own.
both British sems are intense as the person going makes them to be.
describe yourself.. see what fits. look at some of the other threads describing Gateshead SEminary.
Toronto? Lakewood has 2 places. France?
Gateshead Old Seminary – the classes are huge. between 140-180 girls in class (which shrinks closer to 100 by end 3rd year due to girls leaving, getting engaged etc)
The classes on the whole are more lecture style. However, questions are ALWAYS welcome. Certain Rabbonim do actually prefer a more interactive style class.. but this is always done in a higly respectable way. Noone calls out.
Halacha is taughtr by the famous Rabbi Falk. His classes are interactive, very detailed and interesting.
Hard to go through everything.. but there is a HUGE emphasis on basic hashkofos, emunah the basics of yiddishkeit.. it gets better as you move through 3 year program.
re; textual learning.. It is not stresed.. however, the girls that are good in that area, have an esaier time preparing, and perhaps get more out of the program. But it is not essential at all. There are very minimal amoutn of tests. and the tests (not the halacha ones) are vrey much based around haskofa.. and understanding.. not text based. There is so little stress ont eh tests.. that they don’t even give back the tests or the results! This makes a great learning enviorment. where you elarn for yourslef nad not for the test result!
Gateshead sem is the ideal place for the mature thinking student.
I heard last year, that there was limited amount of visa, and they had to make a Gorel to who to allocate them to!
the mix of girls there is extraordinary.. There are some girls that drown in the large enviroment.. and otrhers that thrive! its all about personal growth.. & the 3 yr programm gives great older peers to learn from. (which is unique to Gateshead!)
Ask more Q’s..
more yeshivish and sheltered girls than in hadar.
a good example would be than the girls there are the type to do up their top shirt button.. whilst other places would open 1 or 2 depending on how yeshivish!
Find people that went here.. thats your best info..
or ask specific questions…
There are hundreds of British families who are willing to host Seminary girls over yom tov and other breaks. It should certainly not be a deciding factor.
Hatzlacha Raba in your search!
some seminaries make you prepare and study actual text in depth.. whilst others give more hashkafa based classes. obviously all offer both.. but depends what percentages are.
Why you not considering Maor?
what about Shoshanim – not sure if still around.. couldv’e changfes its name. run by Rabbi Rosen less focus on academia
I think Maor and Ateres are similar than Peninim.. but perhaps attract a more stable girl from more stable homes. Peninim does have refutation that girls have more free time.. and seminary leaves girls to get up to…?
Maor or Ateres or Peninim sound right.. or even the New Gateshead Sem (Bais Chaya Rochel)
Do you listen to non jewish music, boys? these are things that you should check into.. and consider with regard to yourself & choosing a place
Michlala is not for BY type girls.. more left
try amazing savings or the dollar store for all gadgets and utensils… you can real steal of deals ($1/piece).. where is main stores will cost you $5/piece.
Visiting Gateshead and being there as a seminary girl are so totally different. one cannot get a good picture as a visitor.
there are no websites for the old seminary for sure. but there are many alumni over the US that you can hook up with.
I heard that last year there wsa not enough visa’s and they had to do a Gorel for all those who got in.. i’m not sure how that works.. but its good to do your homework beforehand.
Although Gateshead Old seminary does not offer voational courses, there are plenty of motivated girls who find free time to do courses. the seminary does not onject providing it does not take away from the seminary course.
The old seminary has a huge mix of girls. However, it is the more mature, independant thinker that gains the most from their program. There are a minority that leave after 1 year.. but they leave in the middle and do not receive the full length of the course, of which some of the best stuff is in the 3rd year. Their whole approach is done in a mature way. They don’t baby you. THere are very few rules… yet the place demands a certain respect without them having to enforce it.
The new seminary has a mix of girls too. It is fair to say that the foreign girls in the new sem definately need ‘checking into’ vs the foreign girls in the old sem. The ones in the old sem come because they have strong connections to the seminary, British ones, or their mom’s went there etc.. or a huge drive to become teachers etc.. in the new sem, the foreign girls are often dropouts that left the US etc once again, i’m sure there always exceptionss to everything.. but i know first hand that this is generally the case.
IF you state why Gateshead even hit your radar.. it may be easier to see which is better. Why not israel or other places in the US?
Gateshead old sem is a 3 year program. but girls do get engaged or leave after 2 years (not always recommended!)
gateshead new is 2 years with a few only staying for 1 year.
If you have a drive to teach or do kiruv, then gateshead old is more up your alley.
I posted a detailed response to this subject some time last year.. look thru coffee room.. or i will try and find it too..
Bonei Olam provides more financial assistance
ATIME = more support & medical advice
Judging from the growing enrollment and new schools in Manchester & London, I highly doubt Gateshead beats them. But I do think its fair that England Jewry is growing faster than any other Europeean place.
In Europe, NO Mohel charges. any money received/offered goes straight to tzedaka..
I do not know where the trend came from in USA to charge. I believe it is incorrect..
i’m being serious.. but there are some frum schools in england that will not take your child if mom weras ponytail sheitel..
Having a shomer Shabbos doesn’t always help you if you need melochos done..
there are plenty of HHA’s who have experience with frum homes.. do ur research.. ask around..
where u located?
s/t word of mouth is best in this situation.. find aides from families that don’t need them anymore
how can we contact each other?
i have seen a difference between TS and mosaic form – the latter eing girls with regular intelligence and more ‘regular’ looking. i also know that those with mosaic form have slight chance of conceiving b’ezh
yes i know several.
definately no need to say anything to school or others until she becomes of age where puberty sets in & she will wonders why its not coming..
try the frum support forum for those with medical issues. (google)
i know about that group from ATIME.. it is mainly single girls with IF issues. not really the support you looking for at this point.
I have some GE’s (very noisy) & panasonics that work a) with a shabbos clock
& b) will come back on after power outage (but the clock will then be ‘off’ by as many hrs as the power was off.
buy from yid who will know where to get it.
Rainbow Appliance in lkwd also very good.May 17, 2011 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm in reply to: Pros and Cons of Home Depot kitchen- need kitchen advice. #792076
dhreem kitchens in lakewood – work in NY too. i had excellent experience with them..
I tried other places.. wasn’t happy.. not everyone have such great designers.. wth such good initiativeMay 17, 2011 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm in reply to: Pros and Cons of Home Depot kitchen- need kitchen advice. #792071
#1. many frum kitchen dealers have great cheap prices – give parnossah to a yid
#2. you get whta you pay for – things yuou wouldn’t notice – like kitchen cabinet doors that rattle when banged shut, hinges and draws that come loose over time..
#3. many frum dealers coordinate the whole kitchen.. counters, plumbing etc.. which makes it easier..
#4. Frum kitchen peope have designers that understand frum nees.. adn will point things out to you and get you features that an average non jewish house would never think of..
Don’t know where you located.. but i have some good reccomendations in tristate area
When the fasten seatbelt signs are off, you are free to roam around the aircraft.. so i see no reason why children cannot sleep on the flood during that time.
Personally, I always take car seats with me aboard aircraft. A pain to lug around airport.. but a blessing once on board!
re; kicking pasenger infront.. hard to avoid.. i try discipling child to best of ability.. not an issue once kid falls asleep..
i must add that the best is to MEET shadchonim.. establish a relationship.. otherwise you just remain on paper (or computer screens!)
neither. try shidduchworld and shadchan circle. much more geared to yeshivish circles (singles & shadchonim)
it takes some planning beforehand..
I have been using supper & bedtime for past couple of weeks to pretend to my children that they are in mitzrayim.. and acting different parts out in story version. I even told them my own version of the story Dual Discovery.. (great book)
Read Let my nation Go! by Yosef? Deutch.. it gets your imagination going!
you can buy kits for the Makos.. or make your own.. Oriental Trading has good stuff.
I know someone that even had his lights timed to go off for 15 mins for Makos Choshech! it wasn’t always perfect from 1 night to the next.. but it was fun.. especially as it surpried everyone!
Give ‘parts’ out to family members to act out..
Focus on the timeline.. from Avraham.. through history.. so kids can relate.. that this is US.
My kids know that Seder is time for Tatty to talk and answer.. all the divrei torah they learn in schol – there are 8 other seuda’s to say them at.
depends what you call small…
age 4 & under.. personally i put them to sleep and give them a mock seder on their level on first day yom tov!
older than 4 – father should be leading seder on childrens level and saving lomdisher divrei torah for later by the meal when the kids have dropped off to sleep.. or save it for another pesach seuda or afternoon when kids are not around.
Seder is a time to connect with children.. not give them a boring & dry experience.
It goes without saying that ALL children AND adults should take a nice nap on erev pesach. YES it is possible.. with a little foresight & planning. (& reward!)
If a child wants to leave seder table for a little break to read or play a game.. i see no reason..
Lots of singing & acting out the stories will keep kids up.