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n0mesorahParticipant
We don’t tell you what to do. We do our best to clean up your mess.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Choosid,
1) Where did I give any indication that you learn anything?
2) What’s cholent?
n0mesorahParticipantI think they would be best as meditations. They would need to be edited for rhythm and rhyme.
May 24, 2022 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090502n0mesorahParticipantDear Gadol,
You have it backwards. The republicans losing their way is what got Trump elected. They were so riled up by the country electing a socialist – Obama -that they slowly left behind everything that had revived the party. Reagan, The Moral Majority, Compassionate Immigration, Military Service, Free Trade, Low Budgets, and just about everything else.
Now, the Democrats are so riled up from Trump, that they abandoned everything. That leaves up with culture wars and lobbyists in place of political dialogue and government by the people.
So now back to the question: what happens if the Republicans win the midterms?
1) They who the partisan battle for the day! Yay! Owning the Libs, what could be better?
2) Joe Manchin loses millions of lobbyist dollars, and the hours of air time.
May 24, 2022 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090498n0mesorahParticipantDear Coffee,
Do you think that losing elections now, will hurt the Republican Party in the long run?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ts,
A global increase of fifteen degrees centigrade, is unfathomable. Almost all of Eretz Yisroel would be at or below sea level.
Now?
Sooner?
Later?
6000?
<220?What about mathematical bubbah meisos?
May 24, 2022 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090496n0mesorahParticipantDear Ts,
Maybe, Maybe not. There are no hard sources what mashiach is like. Other then a descendant of Malchus Beis Dovid. Either way, I wouldn’t think twice until he starts influencing world events.
n0mesorahParticipantAlternatively, a statistical guess.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
That is why I stated that there would be revelation on planet X. Intelligent life forms is a reasonable proposition. Though it may be a wild satirical guess.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ujm,
We read your first post.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
I have you an extreme example. Four degrees by 2100 is also extreme. Basically science fiction.k prefer to focus on the more imminent part of the issue, but it’s all the same question.
What is the concern?
Miami Beach? For a multitude of reasons, several of which are sentimental, Miami Beach has serious long term viability questions. It also has the potential for high upside. I’m not invested there, so no concern.
Coney Island? NYC is not at sea level. It’s six or seven feet above. It won’t be really threatened by sea rise before the next century.
The rise in temperature in terms of global warming, is not the same measurement as temperature in weather. The difference between the climates of NYC (mostly pleasant summer) and Atlanta (mostly awful summer) is largely not about the difference in temperature.
What is your concern?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
If we take as a given that the world has warned one degree from the thirty year baseline and will warn another degree in the next fifteen years, what are you concerned about?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Marxist,
You made it very clear. Thanks!
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
Put Torah hashkafa aside. What concern would you have?
n0mesorahParticipantPlease elaborate your one Torah point. If we would know of an inhabited planet that has the Torah as it pertains to them, why would that be a difficulty?
n0mesorahParticipantTorah perspectives.
I think the Torah prefers that we focus our thoughts on what’s within our realm of activities. [Kifi shitasi. Keyaduah.] I only interleaved, because you said it had to be a certain way. The Torah would also have us not focus on politics, sporting, manners of dress, types of food, and almost every topic discussed on these pages. You and I can socialize over Chabad or Derech Hayeshiva. Others can bend their minds over aliens. In short, the Torah’s perspective on aliens is to find something better to think about.
n0mesorahParticipantI think you misunderstood. Nothing to do with heliocentricity. We know assume that Creation was not just the beginning of Earth, but the entirety of the cosmos. [The general thinking used to be reversed.]
There are many more philosophical options. Who cares? And since when do you do philosophy?
n0mesorahParticipantIn some places it is much cheaper to recycle.
n0mesorahParticipantI know commercial buildings that were ticketed for not recycling.
n0mesorahParticipantA serious learner should always have what to say. The question is how the rest of us would listen.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Just for fun, here is a different argument. It used to be thought that the world was the center of existence. Now it is known that the universe is far more complex and much larger than we could comprehend. Yet, we are undoubtedly very much here and alive. In all this complexity we (humans) are very much alone. Alternatively, within the complexity there exists parallels that are similar to us. Since the purpose of all this complexity is only known to Hashem, He alone knows what the use of alien existence is.
The only dogmatic claim I would make is that if there is intelligent life forms, they would have been bestowed some form of revelation.
n0mesorahParticipantSome recycling is very profitable. But if your question is the environment, than the best way is simply to use less. Water, energy, foodstuff, and plastics. Also, remember to always clean up after yourself!
n0mesorahParticipantWe have to beg Hashem to forgive you for always skipping it.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
Your right that she is not an outsider. But at least initially, she is an outsider to his personal way of appreciating his own Torah. If she has her own perception of a learner, that makes kollel marriage double the work. And for no reason. She will not be a full time learner. Seminary makes sense for the girls that will continue to grow in Torah. But everybody and their uncle discourages new kollel wives from continuing their studies.
May 23, 2022 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090013n0mesorahParticipantThe only place I’ve noticed Chabad in Israel, is Tzefas. And then Tzfas is Tzfas. They are all, almost everybody who lives there, on their own trip. You can’t bring anything conclusive from them. [I know that Chabad is all over,Israel but I wasn’t.] What about all the yeshiva guys that moved to Tzfas. Does the Rosh Yeshiva have to denounce them?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Choosid,
Not at all! The point of learning is for the Torah itself. To be attached to the Torah. As it alone is the only reality.
May 23, 2022 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090002n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Your asking for a crash course on all the Chabad politics. The fact that there is a struggle to get a hold of the microphone, points to the vocal minority. Not to what is the prevailing opinion.
n0mesorahParticipantBut not approach.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yabia,
Almost every long term learner will ace all your questions. Iyour simply incorrect. You have to raise the bar significantly to maintain your point.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
That’s a data test. It does not give any indication of how the student approaches the gemara.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Just because the existence of aliens would destroy your pretzel-like theology, it does not mean that Hashem can’t do it. Even without the Ikkarim, we know that Hashem can do as He pleases.
n0mesorahParticipantI’m not in any yeshiva. When it comes to anybody who wants to stay learning as long as they can, there is a ninety five percent chance that you’ll be wrong. Your setting the bar way too low.
May 23, 2022 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2089998n0mesorahParticipantDear Gefilte,
You want to know how your supposed to know that most of Chabad are not apikorsim? Simply stop speaking for people that you never met. There are thousands of Chabadskers. Also, just because someone is wearing a yechi yarnulke, it doesn’t give you a right to assume what is in their head.
May 23, 2022 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2089996n0mesorahParticipantDear Syag,
‘Nah’ was a response to me. I’m not clear what you think was untrue.
May 23, 2022 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2089995n0mesorahParticipantI’m really not understanding. Why does there have to be some statement to the rest of the world? It’s nobodies business what one part of Chabad thinks about the other part.
May 23, 2022 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2089993n0mesorahParticipantDear Ts,
Also, Chabad Yeshivos publish pamphlets of Chiddushei Torah that are only regular Torah. Not even chassidus. That is very telling. I’ve hung around a few such yeshivos. They learn more halachah than Tanya. And they know gemara very well. There is no mishachist in the curriculum. Obviously, the future of Chabad is non mishachist.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yabia,
Your being way to simple about things. A solid majority of marriage age boys would know this. And among long term learners, almost all of them know the basics. Are you talking about in the tenth grade?
n0mesorahParticipantHatanaim mavlei olam.
May 23, 2022 11:16 am at 11:16 am in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2089867n0mesorahParticipantDear Tuna,
This thread is about tzaddikim bmisasam kruyim chaim, not reshaim bchayahem kruim maysim.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Wow! You posted some intense minus! I would suggest that the ‘Kan tofso haphilosophem’ gloss, was originally posted on this thread. After it was deleted,it ended up with other glosses on the SA.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
That is a question for Rav Moshe. There are instances where Rav Moshe had strong opinions, yet specifically stated that others are allowed to disagree. I don’t know how far it goes. But Rav Waldenberg was definitely in the category of the others who disagreed with Rav Moshe. [The four you mentioned is an odd collection.] What is your basis for this idea?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Clear,
Did you think you would change things by starting this thread?
n0mesorahParticipantLearning means acquiring new data/classifications/comprehension/concepts/explanations/ideas that we were unaware of before we learned them. If we did not know them originally because our logic was faulty, than I would agree that logic is a prerequisite for learning them. But most of the time it is simply a case of uncovering what slipped through our logical processes. We did not gain more logic we gained more insight. Which was revealed though a more thorough reading or a more objective view.
n0mesorahParticipantLearning Torah is not a job. Less than zero comparison.
n0mesorahParticipantWe do not have a public facing measure because the Torah is not of the public. It wasn’t man-made. So men can’t decide what the grade should be.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Please keep in mind that the culture war over abortion has very little to do with ethics. It’s a tool to control the electorate and maintain class separation.
n0mesorahParticipantTaanis Mishna 26b Gemara 31a
n0mesorahParticipantOnline Response Of Chabad.
Extremely uncommon. It does not pay.
May 22, 2022 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2089659n0mesorahParticipantOkay. But that’s a little silly as well.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ujm,
I just can’t understand what the first one is doing that is not bittul torah. He seems to be not yet up to learning gemara. I would agree with you if I could get around this problem. But I would not call either a real learner. Though the first one has a real chance to become one.
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