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Dear Avira,
This conversation is deteriorating rapidly. I never said anything like him saving the yeshiva world. There is plenty of room in this world for great people of all kinds. If none of them were controversial, than none of them would be great. I know this goes against your concept of
my way
is the only way
and I’m sure that is what your rabbi meant to say
if not he wasn’t a real rabbi anyway
anyone who disagrees cannot come to play
only those who want to be just like me can stay
and Look! all that I can see
are saying exactly like meBut I’m sure it gets lonely with a lack of opinions to consider. Rumor has it, that you already passeled all the Gedolim on planet X! So you can try to find the Rishon who writes that controversial people is a characteristic of greatness. If you can’t accept that there is greatness beyond your sphere, it’s only your loss.
Dear Avira,
You posted a few days ago, ” Chabad uses the ‘you don’t understand’ with Satmar …. who very much do understand their language”.
Satmar is so far from the mainstream chassidus in terms of Toras Habesht and kabbalah that you’ve written your own retort. It’s like proving Telshe from Brisk.
Here is an example. The guf of a tzaddik. In normative kabbalah this means simply that the flesh and the blood are elevated to the point that the pull to earthly desires is lost, and they have a bodily desire for heavenly matters. In Chabad it means that the tziddkus of the the tzaddik is his actual reality and not his guf. You could have two people using the same term, and his a totally different implication. This is why the study of kabballah is sometimes done with a Master.
Well, we know how one talmid compared the Rayatz and Rav Aaron. Rav Aaron was very, very humble. Any real talmid of the R”Y zatzal has a real hard time criticizing anybody. Even those that deserve heaps of criticism. I’ve not heard them discuss Chabad much, but they all were very impressed once they met the Rebbe. Rav Belsky did tell me that the R”Y zatzal did not hold of the Rebbe. He quoted Rav Aaron about two other aspects of Chabad.
I did not say the Rebbe was able to learn like a Rosh Yeshiva. Rav Belsky had a very high bar for everything. Did you ever ask him if Rav Shach knew how to learn, or if he learned Rav Shach’s Torah?
Chaim Berlin had some internal conflict. They allowed the Rosh Yeshiva to maintain full control over the yeshiva. The Rebbe had a hand in the settlement. I’m assuming you know the Torah VDaas story.
Nobody is putting the Chabad Rebbe on the level of Rav SF”M in spreading Torah. But the scale of the Rebbe activities, is very impressive. Unlike today, the major yeshivos felt it their obligation to spread Torah all over the world. Where they missed, the Rebbe had someone there. Plus he was the only one who was building Torah behind the Iron Curtain?
Dear Gadol,
It is baffling to me how data will establish causation for global warming. It can be deduced from small scale experiments or mass computation. But after all there will always be some ambiguity.
Chabad is doing well I’m Lakewood. There are Chabad families in Lakewood from when it was just a yeshiva town.
Maybe you missed the word tribal, as in African tribes. I did not mean partisanship. Otherwise, I’m missing your post.
Maybe you missed the word tribal, as in African tribes. I did not mean partisanship. Otherwise, I’m missing your post.
Dear Avira,
Just thinking….. Shouldn’t those two issues in a way cancel each other out?
If the gabbai won’t give the eighteen year old an aliyah, obviously the kid needs to get a bigger gun. Why would the FBI care about who does or does not get an aliya? I think your taking this whole gabbai business too seriously.
I just came across an expert on pink flying monkeys. Though I’m not sure he is frum enough to meet the criteria of this thread.
It’s also possible that is has a meaning in astrology. I have no idea what is or isn’t in astrology. I just made us that pshat. Aliens also I make it up. I’m clueless on both topics. Though I am an internationally known expert on pink banana-shaped flying monkeys.
Dear Always,
I do not recall ever seeing a parking meter in Lakewood.
Dear Ts,
Global warming is not just a theory. It’s a statistical model. And it’s been ironclad for almost two centuries. Even super-computers have not found an improvement over the mathematical formula. The warming part has been observed over the last thirty plus years. That is a factual observation, not a theory. As Ujm mentioned how much warming has actually been observed, is in dispute. And what the cause is, can fairly be called just theory. And nobody intelligent is saying that the world will blow up.
Dear Avram,
“…….and then to blame others….”
Agreed.
Point #1 It’s not separating from anyone. It’s different approaches to normalizing kabbalah. Now, you could think they have it wrong. We could even go so far as to disagree with the Baal HaTanya. But, as outsiders we can’t tell Chabad how to learn. I’m sure any group could critique something about every group’s teachings.
Point # 2 Agreed. I then said a chiddush that on those individuals it does not make them outside the pale. They are just making a mistake. I also posted a while back, that it is Chabad’s issue that they have some that misconstrue Chabad’s teachings. Other communities, would give such types an ultimatum, that is not the Chabad way. You can think that they are very wrong for such an approach, and I may agree with you. But we can’t tell them to change. It’s basically asking Chabad not to be Chabad.
Dear Ts,
If the Rebbe is still an option to be mashiach, then why not Dovid Hamelech? Does the Rebbe have to start breathing again before he can be proven to be mashiach?
The Rebbe was a major marbetz torah. To yeshivaliet also. Besides for helping Torah VDas and Chaim Berlin stay open. And that’s not counting all the talmidim of Rav Aaron and the old Mirrers who went to farbraing. Not many Rebbes could learn like him.
But those that insist that something must be done, will almost always pick up more swing votes, than those that claim not to make it worse.
Dear Avira,
Revealing His Wisdom. There already had been revelation before Avraham. Like Ts said, we can’t guess a reason for there being aliens. But if there are aliens, than these must be a reason for them.
And nobody should get guns for protection. Or waste their time trying to befriend politicians and government agencies. Or following… oh, you mean God only takes responsibility for the environment? Okay, let’s all head back to the abortion thread.
What’s a pistol going to do? Get a shoulder mounted rocket propelled anti aircraft missile launcher.
I have another idea. Just have the mamzer stay home and shoot himself in the head. He has the gun already. Why waste the shul’s and yeshiva’s money on guns?
Great idea! Because every Rebbi is a great shot. In middle of class, waving his left thumb his right draws, fires, and re-holsters, before he brings his left hand back to point to the place. And of course he hit the spinal cord between the body armor and helmet. Without looking. Because every good Rebbi keeps his eyes in the gemara when he is not busy making sure the kids are following.
Revelation means revelation.
His Will is also a revelation.
There could be revelation without delivering His Will.
Most of the reaction in TaNaCH does not directly effect His Will.
If that’s so, I do not follow why there can’t be bountiful revelations on planet x.
The Rebbi is always right – until he drops the pistol.
If they are banking on the voter’s intelligence, than wouldn’t a platform be the way to go? If they get elected and do the same stupid nothing, that would give the Democrats a chance to say we will do something again. And more extremist democrats will get by with less scrutiny.
Why does it take so long?
Just to point out, to say they may have the same Torah should not bother you. I’m not saying that.
Correct. Exact quote. Why does that apply to revelation?
I’m aware of all that, Mheichi.
I’m not denying any of the science. I’m pointing out how the commoner is being coached to wonder about concerns that easy to relate to. It is a good way to get people to take notice. It is an even better way to get people to doubt the whole science.
Dear Syag,
Please point to the Trump hate on this thread.
Dear Moshe,
Where does hatred come in? It sounds the same as playing the race card.
Okay. But then I’ll argue that the Republican winning now, will push the Democrats to endorse even more extreme candidates next time.
Dear Avira,
I get that you think that the Torah is immutable, and therefore it is one. How does that impact revelation? It comes in all different visions, with varying levels of clarity.
There is nothing Conservative about bowing to Trump.
And the election nonsense is terrible for everyone. Trump is turning ameracin politics into tribal corruption.
I was trying to make the point, that most of the hype about the potential fallout about global warming are not really so problematic. The three problems that concern scientists, are water shortages, other agriculture problems, and an energy shortage.
Don’t bet on it. He likes being in the news more than anything else.
Even if we take what Ujm alluded to the political extreme, it is still true that the global surface temperature has been warming a bit. (Half a degree Celsius.)
Dear Coffee,
You compared wining the midterms to putting someone on life support. I took that as keeping the Republican Party in power. And delaying the inevitable death = keeping the Democrats out of power. I just wonder if maybe losing these winnable elections would help the Republicans identify themselves, and win back the county in the long run.
Dear Aseh,
You asked if there is a Torah Hashkafa that makes us not concerned. So I’m trying to clarify that concern one would have, he they were convinced the world warm extremely (Another whole degree in fifteen years.) quickly.
No comment.
Dear Aseh,
The rise in global temperature is not the same thing as the temperature reported on your local weather station. A rise in global temperature has no conclusive meaning to what the temperature will be in a certain area.
The media decides the news. Not the facts. Journalists and TV hosts are not known to be above the average person in Earth Science. A real scientist will predict very little. There will be a disclaimer every sentence or two. If, possible, can, may, we suspect, and so on.
Dear Froggie,
Weather is not climate change. And neither is the same as global warming. You should not be attuned to picking up the howls of the activists. You should attune yourself to pick up The Word Of Hashem. How would anybody mix up the two?!?
Here is an analogy. Someone has a Morning Seder with the intention of finishing Shas. Weather would be how well his seder is going on an individual day or week. Climate is like his chavrusa. Global warming would be how is moving toward his goal. One can claim that it is all just weather – a seder each morning.
Dear Avram,
You posted so much great stuff! Let’s jump right in. Is there any contemporary that you’ve read on the six mitzvos? The classics are to terse, or hard to imagine into our thinking. I want to claim, that I am not saying any chiddush at all in these foundational mitzvos. If we would start from the sources it would never end. So can you pick something for me to be in line with?
Dear Avram,
You ask about why Chabad does not give Torah sources. First of all, it’s pretty much laid in Tanya and other classics. If you think they are learning it wrong, than more sources won’t help. Second, look at this thread. Who is coming to this argument to learn up Chabad? Third, asking Chabad for a response of what some of Chabad thinks, is beyond sources. You have to sit people down, and ask them very specific questions.
And do get to the superiority claim, the people that have issues with Chabad, even the gedolim, just don’t speak in the same terms as Chabad. So it makes specific questions impossible. And then Chabad says, “you just don’t understand. We know better.”
It’s not a bias as much as a language barrier.
Dear Avram,
On my initial positions.
1. Beliefs are inconsequential at the base level of Judaism.
2. Beliefs play a major role in our growth. Without the beliefs we would remain basic level Jews.
Dear Avram,
“Also, jewish history shows that we do indeed have macholokes based on thought systems rather than observance.”
This could be read many different ways. Does ‘machlokes’ mean that one group was accusing the other of being out of bounds? Because than I can’t think of any that were not about observance. For comparison, please name one such dispute that was only about thought systems.
Dear Reb Eliezer,
Yes! Exactly! Some examples:
1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jared Kushner
3. Chris Christie
4. Mike Pence
5. Ron Paul
6. Ted Cruz
7. Genghis Khan
To clarify, I find this which dead leader is more mashiach, both silly and funny.
Dear Avira,
Please find out more about Rav Shach before you try to talk for the yeshivishe velt.
And this may be a major shock to you……. Chabad never did things the way most of the Chareidim do today. Their way of psak and inclusiveness, cannot he investigated in light of how we in our communities would do it. Your criticism is based on that not everybody does things according to your familiarity. On one thread you even had the Teimanim as not reliable enough for us. So I guess the bar for all Jews is to start MO and then become yeshivish.