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So Mr. Dad,
Now you are agreeing there is a middle ground? You were averring that it is either the hipsters, or a slob. Well it is not that way. And the overwhelming majority do not dress like slobs.
I won’t tell a person who wears a sport team kippah to remove it, but I do not think it is a kiddush hashem. Nowhere did I advocate telling them that.
And if you are going to comment about appropriate clothing for a blue collar job, you might want to include the part of my comment that is appropriate to that.
When someone goes to shul wearing sweatpants and a tee shirt with his favorite rock band logo, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone has sports team logos painted on his kippah, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone walks out in ripped jeans and a messy tee shirt, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When people wear clothing that leaves much more uncovered than covered, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
A person who walks around with rumpled jeans, would most likely wear a rumpled shirt and pants if he dressed yeshivish. If you compare the two, for davening the white shirt and pants is more appropriate. For cleaning sewers, the jeans are appropriate.
To make rediculous remarks like yours, Mr. Dad, is neither a kiddush Hashem nor a sign of heightened intelligence.
It will help people understand the memes of “haochel bashuk”. And people will appreciate the opportunity to actually see what it looks like.
If you want opposites, how about a picture of you and your hubby on the same wall.
A thread to be proud of. Certainly since it was started on a taanis.
The pesukim and the tefilah that Sealsides posted in in the mamad for yom rishon.
I know that R’ Aryeh Levine’s son (R Refoel Binyomin) would reccomend that people say this to ward off ayin horah. I believe Rebbitzen Kanievsky would also hand out sheets with this printed on it.
I believe it is brought from R Yehuda Hachosid and Rabbeinu Bachya mentions it in Parshas Matos.
Itchy,
We know all about the groups who were overly focused on ivra in the past. Almost to the exception of everything else.
As it happens, the typical kollel yungerleit that I am in contact with have very decent Ivrah. I haven’t met those who can only recite kaddish to the William Tell overture. Yet when I have davened at places which tend to not include yungerleit, it sounds like the soundtrack of the lone ranger. And the Ivrah was nothing to write home about if you wanted to write a nice Letter.
Pompesness does not make you appear intelligent. You are not being successful at faking it.
Goc,
There is a difference between taking a drink and getting drunk. What is the point of your comment?
If you are asking the CR, you are probably not ready to get married. Life will be a series of decisions, the CR is. Of the place for hadracha or advice. If you do not realize that, you are probably not ready for marriage.
I think it is a good moshol. As far as nightmares go, I know that there is much worse stuff that kids in other communities are shown that is way worse. Think of what movies parents bring their children to and what goes on there, both violence and tznius (loshon nekiah)or unfettered and unfiltered internet access. Much much worse as far as nightmares go. And those have no redeeming features at all.
Feif un,
That does not explain why this is considered something that a chasid should go to heck for yet is lchatchila for modern orthodox? So much so that you think this is worthy of being called mussar.
While it is respectful for children to give up their seats for adults, they are at least a hungry after davening.
And some of the adults who are soooo offended by children seating want nothing more than to make sure they get the piece of herring they like.
Why is this specific to Chasidim? What about other Jews who attended? Even if they can not be distinguished from the rest of the crowd?
I unsure how the women in the case of a heter meah rabbonim can be an agunah. A get is held for her to accept by Beis din. The heter is because she does not want to accept the get. Not wanting to accept an available does not make one an agunah, except perhaps by the feminists.
I suppose you skip ” vehivdilonu min hatoim”.
I guess it is as offensive to you as shelo osani isha.
Davening is much shorter because you keep omitting key parts.
There is a very slim chance that there will be a kid rush. As contestants progress they are provided with more assistance which in the case of singers would be accompaniment. Which includes non tznius women singers. If there will such accompaniment, that would be public chilul Hashem. A Kidush Hashem would be if he publicly refused to sing with or shake a women’s hand a say it’s because it’s ossur. In which case I am sure that those who think his appearance alone is a Kidush Hashem will be horrified and claim that the public refusal is chilul Hashem.
Right now this is leaning towards chilul Hashem, like the chilul Hashem of when Mendy and Heidi appearing on tv. ( the other much bigger chilul Hashem in that case was the reaction by some who call them Jewish publicly and loudly violating the Halacha of ” heve Dan Es kol bosom lkaf zechus” and being ever more insistent when it was shown that Heidi was telling the truth. That was the much, much greater chilul Hashem.) I hope nothing of the sort arises such as if he hugs a woman publicly other than his mother and you will have people saying that it’s appropriate.
Zdad,
One would hope there is nothing different. With the candy. But there is definitely a different run with a mashgiach. That costs. Generally there is not a mashgiach there at all times. The extra time for the mashgiach costs and there are those who are along to pay for that.
But you haven’t answered why you are so bothered. No one is making you eat any twist let alone these. Why are you such a bitter person who thinks anything not done exactly the way you like it is terrible. It is terribly haughty of you to think that you are the be all. And if I may let you in on something, you are quite obviously wrong very often.
zahavasdad
It is clearly a different run. They are saving money by just adding a sticker instead of making a whole new package.
And no one is making you eat these twizlers. No one is making you eat any twizlers for that matter. Those who prefer the additional hashgacha are willing to pay for it. They spend money on halchichik hakpados while you spend on narishkeiten.
Vos art du? It is not your money and no one is forcing it on you.
A worthless lable maybe one tha has your name on it, because yuo do no research, thses labels are from peopl who have actually gone out and done something.
“Did you know that the Satmar Rav held IVF was 100% assur, and that children that result from it might be mamzeirim?
The Satmar Rebbe’s machlokes with R Moshe was regarding artificial insemination. IVF had never been done by that time. And they are somewhat different. In addition, The Satmar Rebbe never said the children would be a mamzer. Perhaps he said a safek or koruv, but it was never a definite.
Thos who hold this a get meusah hold that she is an eishes ish and therefore it is not the same safek.
Zdad,
Your response is typical of your comments, illogical to the point that it proves exactly the opposite of what you were trying to say.
Zdad,
Looking through the entire thread, the only person who mentioned anything about R H Shechter Shlita being a kofer was you. You were the only commenter to place both R Shechter and Kofer in one comment.
(I realize that I just did, but it was to ask wher ZDAD got his silly idea from and to be Mocheh)
Why would you do that.
Wolf,
“Friends and family of people who commit or attempt suicide are certainly affected by the person’s actions. How you can say otherwise is quite puzzling.”
The parenthetical addition at the end of the comment was specifically to address this. It was obvious you would mention it and is clearly not a factor in the discussion. Classic disregard of the fifth chelek.
The purpose of a kesubah was to discourage divorce. The purpose of these prenups is to make it easier.
Most people can see and easily understand the difference. Those who don’t may be a shoteh, kofer does not really identify their issue.
Silly premise as it is well known that it is in very specific cases of mebaid atzmo lodaas that yo would say they have no chelek in olam habah. Most cases are when someone suffers mental illness. Perhaps you think we should ostracize the family members of someone suffering mental illness? That would be typically hypocritical of you.
Another flaw in your argument is that the reason why people distance themselves in all your examples is because of how they or their children may be affected by the actions of the “evildoer” which clearly does not apply here. (don’t throw in emotions here that is not a valid reason).
What is clear is that you can say about these the opposite of ” eilu v’eilu …”
The linfer this thread continues, the more my earlier point is proven.
147,
After you finish deciding what should or should not be halacha and what is correct, perhaps you can explain who buries a person in a shul. Is that one of your new halachos?
The title of the thread was about phones in shul, your own rant was about who can have a phone in shul, according to you and then you say how terrible it is to have a phone in shul because it rings when they are in the middle of burying someone. So I ask you, who buries someone in shul?
For the same reason that they wear a kittel, because that is their minhag.
If you have a question about your minhag, ask your father or someone who has told you what your minhagim are.
People who overly focus on made up eco mitzvios for the most part have the established mitzvas in der erd.
Ungefeift,
In our communities there are many many asifas for shmeriars halshon and many classes and initiatives.
Perhaps you are referring to the same people who made leitzonus from the internet asifa are the same who make letzonus of all the established shmiras haloshon asifas and initiatives.
Wolf,
“I guess that means that I’m a sinner for disregarding the Arizal and davening Nusach Ashkenaz.”
Probably your biggest sin is disregarding the fifth chelek of shulchan oruch.
I would suspect that no one responded because it is a totally inane question.
Such “what if” questions are childish. And if you were using it to try to prove a point, it proves no point.
ZD,
Ulefi shehotzi atzmo min haklal, kofar beikur.
IS,
And yet it is the chareidim who express concern for these mitzvos. Unlike other groups who think their outdated and not modern enough for them.
Eli,
What type of Asifa do you want there to be about tuition? Do you want to tell parents they should pay, I am sure you will still gripe about paying. Do you want to talk about the high price? That depends on the community. The people who send to the highest priced schools are the ones the least likely to go to an asifa to listen to rabbonim. Vdal.
All of your issues are for the most part individual issues, not affecting everyone and as such are more appropriate for individual attention rather than a communal gathering.
You sound like the ” counter demonstrators” to the Asifa, they would not listen to anything any Rov says regardless of the message, venue or presenter. Are you of the same hypocritical mindset?
So Zdad, based on your qualifications you will be going tomorrow. No one is forcing you to go, you will have the opportunity to hear inspiring speakers of a caliber that you have not before. And at $10, the price is exceptionally reasonable. You would pay more to watch some uncouth, arrogant people running after a little ball at the same venue.
It’s like the reform temple that decided they would be shomer Shabbos. They closed for Shabbos.
Wolf no one thinks that wearing jeans makes you an apikorus.
It’s a converse relationship. Because you are an apikorus you are wearing jeans.
Simple logic.
Like this was a HUGE surprise. I am pretty sure that if it were up to him, there would be a box on the 1040 to tick off to allow such “couples” and additional exemption even beyond regular married filing jointly.
Wolf,
Excellent chinuch. I am sure you follow through an berate her for not being a bas talmid chochom.
147,
I find it ironic, at the least, that you are so insistent on what the Mesorah for “over a millenium” and you are incensed that someone would change and yet you consider Yom Haatzmauat, a holiday started by the secular government of Israel, to be a legitimate yom tov.
If you will look at any yeshiva budget, (I am not referring to the MO Schools which charge between two and three times what yeshivos in Brooklyn or its surrounding areas charge, they have a whole different model) you will see that the tuition chrged does not cover even the average costs. A large portion has to come from elsewhere.
Bottom line is, your tuition is likely not even covering the costs to educate your own children, let alone other’s children.
Mr. Wolf,
Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?
Oomis,
Zahavasdad has an issue with people keeping a minhag that they have from their father. Because he thinks he is smarter than those people’s fathers who accepted the minhag. So there are two issues here, people who follow the me spray have what to rely on Nd are. Or saying that they know better, they are following established
Minhag. The same is true for those who don’t have the minhag. But zdad is bothered by someone keeping their own minhag. And he has never posted anything here that indicates any level of genius at all. Look at his two earlier posts, they were beyond simple. As in the third son.
MDG,
I do not believe your story. For a couple of reasons.
1) I have been to a number of bakeries in America and none of them had a goy kneading the dough. In fact where I was, there were no non-jews working at all and one of the bakeries had yeshiva bochurim or regular chasidish women rolling, depending on the shift. And that is besides the kneading. So it is clear that not most use non jews.
2) I do not believe that the owner would tell you such a thing unless he thought you were a nudnik, which very well may be the case. Why would an owner pasul his own matzos.
The only place I could even fathom this beiing the case maybe that one year they baked in Romania a couple of years ago. However the large machine bakeries are mostly staffed by non-jews. I wonder which one has the kavanah lishmah.
S, either you made up your story out of whole cloth, or you are repeating as fact what someone was kidding you about.
Zahavasdad,
You said “There is no madate for me to PAY for your “Chumras”
If you insist on not eating it, the food costs more money , Why should I pay for it”
Very simple, go to a different hotel. No one is making you go to a place that is gebrochts only. And it is somewhat amusing/ ironic that someone going to a hotel is crying about the alleged price increase because of gebrochts.
Then you ask a couple of earth shateringly simple questions. Are you really that devoid of halachic knowledge?
And why does it bother you if people keep a minhag of gebrochs, no one is making you do anything.
You want to eat gebrockts, go ahead. Perhaps your issue is that you have no respect for mesorah. You are certainly not smarter than any single person who keeps the minhag of gebrokts.
Zahavasdad,
What do you have to say now. R Shmuel says that the quote on the (not)Jewish Week was a fabrication. They put together disparate parts of a conversation. Effectively they lied.
Which makes sense. That they lied and that this was could not be the opinion of R Shmuel. It is inconsistent with what he has said in the past, it was inconsistent with his father’s shitah and i
What is and was done in YTV and with the hakpodos of the Alter of Slabodka.
Only if succesful.
147,
Commebnted that MO are very busy with two major holidays, completely ignoring Pesach and Shavuos.
His post was the offensive one. Talk about tofel and ikur.
Haftarah on Yom Haatzmaut? Complete leitzonus.
Comparing Pesach to Yom Hatzmaut, complete apikorsus. And too phrase it the you have, that Pesach haftorah is like Yom Hatzmaut? They copied pesach from what a few misguided individuals do? Boy are you farrikt.
And the geulah of Pesach led to Mattan Torah, Yom Hatzmaaut led to kefiras hatorah, L”A.
And the rest of his comparisons are just silly drivel. We do not pasken like Beis Shamai. ANd Bais Shamai’s opinion did not make Chanukah Kneged Sukkos. Utter foolishness.
147,
Why do you say the MO completely ignore Pesach and Shavuos? You know, when we became a Jewish nation and when we received the Torah. What are genreally considered the seminal events by Orthodox jews?
Why are you ascribing such apikorsus to those who define themselves in some way as orthodox Jews?