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You know what why don’t instead of asking some authority figure what they think of the text. Read it yourself and see what _you_ think of the text. Sorry we don’t need middle men to read things

In a world where morality is not the base of society but conformity is. Questions are villified. People are bullied. Your imperfections expose you as weak and bad. Acting is the name of the game. Showing you “fit in” is the only language these people understand. I do not fix my posts because I am not like all of you. I don’t care about presentation as I care about getting my point across. It is more important to be real and true. Then to always present yourself perfectly. Alpr of people are throwing stones because I don’t fit in the box or even because how I speak is “laughable” it’s not how I speak that matters but the content of my message. We are clearly serface level people. Elitists. That never really grew up. Time to face a little bit of scrutiny. A little bit of change. A little bit of a difference of opinion. This is a real world. We are not robots. Welcome

Always ask questions. The boundery starts with the ten commandments. Do not murder. Your entire thread you just wrote shows the arbitrary _compliations_ and absolute stupidity of some of these arguments. And I’m so sorry I’m saying this, because I understand these arguments are sacred to all of you, so, I apologize, but that is such a stupid argument and waste of time and waste of moral principles. Hefker shouldn’t be so complicated. I think these rabbanim have you guys arguing about stupidity all day so you wouldn’t see how much control they have over your life.

And _before_ you jump down my thought, please, please, please tell me that you don’t know _anyrhing_ about basic manipulation tactics. Cuz in your belief system there are so many of them.

2 cents I didn’t decide. I deciphered. I observed I _experainced_ these are huge differences. I felt. I learned. I believed. I also lied to myself for many many years. Like you are doing now. Wake up. The journey is long let me cut it short for yourself
Stop being your own worst stubborn enemy

Still very insular thinking ujm is this thread a dumb attempt at not being a walking talking contradiction

When you have wise and understanding men as leaders they are going to discern things _properly_ and guide you and the nation with _wisdom_
G-d did not use this language so the elites can use it for power grabbing.

This was about saying:
“Don’t be a smart alick, if a wise and understanding person gave you good advice don’t be stupid not to listen.

Please. Take your fear mongering and control retoric,elite driven power grabbing mispresentstion of G-ds holy word and bury it deep in the depths of the grave where darkness. Evil control and manipulation belong. It’s time for _redemption_

ChaZal can teach whatever they want but if they don’t reach the truth then they are not teaching the truth.

Also I never in my entire life thought bris milah wasn’t self explanatory. So no I need to read the text first and see what I think of it before I can give you an answer I can argue quite coherently about other things. Are you slow?

Do not marry close kin
“It’s ok to marry an uncle to a niece”
Do not murder
“It’s not a human life before 40 days”
Right so how does a tree start growing if the seed doesn’t get to germinate. A human life needs to start _somewhere_.
Lineage comes from the mother.
In all biblical tests lineage comes from the father.
The Torah is actually blueprint of _reality_ which means that if it says it comes through the father then its biological and no rav Sanhedrin or person can change reality. Maybe they can play with the spiritual aspect and make some form of a binding thing in the spiritual world but you cannot change biology that’s the fabric of creation. Sorry

Ujm you know how many teens are mechalel shabbat in our circles. Please stop acting your better every person makes choices for themselves. Maybe not wise onces but weren’t better then anyone

It’s ok yaakov yesef it’s a kaparah I’m getting points in shamayim. 😉

Also who gave the rabbinim the right to interpret whether something is literal or symbolic how do _they_ know .they don’t and I can say they read things quite wrong with actual real life consequences for _all_ of us for millenia. Sorry this is my oppion. And even if I think our religion is beautiful doesn’t mean human beings cannot make mistakes. No man errs. Only G-d Himself does not err..not even the wisest of men and holiest of them all. If we actually believed they cannot err that’s placing someone literally before G-d. Aka idol worship. I value their oppion. But as a human being that has my own thoughts I disagree and that’s not a crime we are all entitled to think what makes sense. For us and what we agree with. Our choices our mind our lives our circumstances our opinions. And our choices and our responsibility. The only person we need to answer to is G-d Himself. Getting to the truth is important

When you read the text, if you have common sense and _wisdom_ the clear definition of symbolism. And literal becomes clear.

I was stating reality that’s not attacking your character. You don’t read what you wrote but you missed my point on purpose to bring up a new point which showed you missed the first point. You have a hateful attitude towards what I say becuase it doesn’t fit your narrative. It might not be _directed_ _at_ me but you can’t listen and learn a new perspective because your whole lifestyle is based around this beleif system and it’s easier to push me away and miss the point then to see my point. Too much skin in the game. _thats_ what I meant. It’s ok. Your forgiven bris milah clearly states what to do. Unless your slow. G-d wrote things in the most simplistic _manner_ please instead of read the Torah cuz your too brainwashed to read abc read a _differant_ book that’s written as simply as the Torah and tell me you can’t understand it at face value. I’m trying to tell you that you can your just too stuck on what they told you to do so. Open the text and tell me you don’t understand it. If you don’t then your either not listening to your own intellect or just refuse out of stubbornness to see sense

None of the above. None, _2.0_

We are not guided by G-d directly from a prophet so you can’t say oh this is what G-d wants and fallow it without thinking so I wouldn’t put it in the same category simply cuz the circumstances are different. I think tho each person needs to ask himself what G-d wants from him and what he is called to do maybe in that sense it would be similar

If someone needs “compenetant” instruction how to think or learn something that’s clearly brainwashing. G-d said don’t eat from the tree of knowledge. Knowing things that you can’t figure out from reality itself or from simply understanding something is going to sperate you from reality and from G-d. I call the entire system a hoax. So sorry

2 cents I said it was symbolic cuz a lot of it is. Not all of it. _prophecy_ is generally symbolic. Again relax. You sound so hateful. You can’t understand what I said? Oh right doesn’t fit your brainwashing. If read with _wisdom_ and _common sense_ you can deicer. Which parts are symbolic and which parts are not. I cannot speak for bris milah cuz I never read that part. But like teffilin it’s very clearly _symbolism_

Haimy that is _not_ your business and you have no right asking. What’s wrong with you

Who says im not Orthodox. It’s not lible. If you want to live in your echo chamber forever you can but people need a new perspective grounded in reality. And you can say it’s G-ds truth and I’m here to say it isn’t. Truth needs to be able to withstand scrutiny and fallow common sense. G-ds created common sense

Just to add a random thought even tho shlucha is an amazing idea it’s very hard on the families that do it. I find a lot of chabad families being like angry on the inside they even tho the idea is nice it’s very hard on them they give up their privacy, their homes….I know your of course going to deny what I’m saying but I’ve never seen a happy shlucha family. I think people should spend time honoring what they believe not live according to a belief system outside themselves s. Like a famous free Will coach says (Jewish) either your choosing to do what makes sense for you or you become a cog in the chain of reality and reality is done to you. That’s what shluchim feel that they don’t have a choice. It’s not healthy. It’s amazing but for them personally it’s hard for them

“heres an instruction manual for real life. It’s got all the pitfalls the mistakes, lessons, values, stories, truth, metophors, secrets, systems, rules, laws blah blah all so it can help guide you for life”

Oh wait only the elite can interpret it for you. They can twist _my_ words, take them out of context, read them all the wrong ways and instead of reading It for yourself to apply it personally to your own life you have to filter it through their oppion.
Control control control. In _any_ other scenarios were the government to do the same thing on any level you would call blasphemy
Somehow it’s ok cuz it’s our religion.
The value system of truth doesn’t change regardless of who says what.
A manual for life needs to be interpreted by each person so he can apply it _personally_ to his own life and own circumstances. Sorry

You know what I’m noticing all this commentary is taking us away from the framework of basic morality. You don’t need more then your conscience and a good connection to right and wrong to make moral choices _accross_ the board. The extra commentary just complicated reality.

Mashiach isn’t just for Jewish “people” it’s for the whole earth. Everyone who believes in truth and morality are “chosen” and peace will be upon earth. Whatever we have thought about our insular stuck up mindset is wrong. Mashiach will not be Jewish cuz that cannot be possible but he will be the “tribe” of Judah embodying judahs attributes. Everything written in the Torah is symbolic. Maybe we should stop looking at everything through the lense of ideology and maybe start looking at the things through the lense of reality. Sorry reality doesn’t care about your beliefs system