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Convenient cuz it makes perfect sense doesn’t it?
People who eat traditional foods all their lives don’t suffer as much from lifelong diseases. If you want to see what real health looks like look at ancient tribes who still live to this day with traditional dietsm nonmedical system they have robust health and no lifelong diseases
Always ask questions you can’t control reality based off a personal belief system if everyone believed like this the whole free market would collapse and replaced by government control
Always ask questions. People don’t live longer these days. That’s a mainstream lie. How many people do you know who died young 40/60…..
Gadol hadofi all foods have vitamins in them and traditional foods like liver and kishke and choke t actually are more nutrients dense then any health food garbage you will ever eat. Instead of looking at the food itself look at the outcome. Does that person have healthy hair skin and nails. You’ll _never_ See a vegan with healthy hair. Never. Also they have high anxiety due to lack of fats. In general people who are too much into health have very leathery skin due to stress or lack of proper nutrients profile. Stop eating propaganda start observing the people who actually are vibrant and healthy. Most Jewish people eating traditional diets have amazing health
I know I’m coming in the middle bjt just cause you read somewhere how “dangerous” carbs are doesn’t make it true. Theres a lot of propaganda in the health industry. Why do you think Trump eats his cheeseburgers and looks great cuz half of what they are telling you is lies
Your actions, no matter the age, can have lasting impact. I think tho perhaps, it’s the parents responsibility for not disciplining you and or teaching you right and wrong and or holding you accountable. This is why I think it’s stupid to take children all the same ages and cram them together without parental supervision and expect people _not_ to bully each other.
Alot of people are driven by hatred_ideoligies_ and much evil Happen because of ideology not truth. Just rallying behind slogans and beliefs system not truth. that’s why blind faith again and again is a danger to self. But you cannot expect people also to be completely united either on oppinons that’s not possible or feasable the question is is our thoughts grounded in a belief system or the truth
The only reason you can go to Israel is _cuz_ of the zionist state. Your extremism is showing. If something happened in reality you can’t wash it away with your one size fits all speak. Things have different sides to it. Life might not agree with your “ideology” but you can’t force reality to bend to your will
I’m not saying frum people are corrupt but sometimes we can in certain scenarios choose things that are disconnected from morality becuse we don’t _have_ a relationship with it and wer never truly thought proper principles..only ritual. Which is an add on to reality. Ok whatever you get the point
The point is it’s not only about intention it’s also about consequences to actions. Trust me I’ve seen religious people act in very corrupt manners because they still don’t have connection to true morality which is forged by good principles, faith and living in reality. But when your entire life is based off rituals then you stop understanding morality and confusing stringincies _with_ morality even sometimes using rabbnim and what they “pasken” as a fail safe get out of jail cars.. Morality is the building blocks of creation even if some rav told you to murder a human being before 40 days you still murdered a human soul. And you will by nature of that choice, suffer what a murderer suffers. I mean kayin and hevel story is exactly what happens. The point is oppinion doesn’t matter morality faith and truth does
Non political you _did_ try to paint free will as evil. You may have not said it but that’s what you implied by using an extreme example to paint choice and living within reality through your true self. Maybe you didn’t mean it but that’s what you said. Your also complicating a very basic principle with all your complicated examples. Stop thinking so deeply. It’s not that complicated. You were born on earth there are trees. You can either burn down the forest or create a house for yourself. G-d came with a book and said if you burn down the forest there will be moral consequences and also Devine consequences cuz you will not only hurt yourself but if that city near there burns you are also liable. Murder taints the soul. It is not just G-d that holds you accountable but reality itself has consequences. You still have free will. To live with those consequences.
Mods don’t post that. It’s not important takes way from the last message
Rabbinical law is your perception I simply disagree that G-d said it cuz based on actual scruity of actual reality it does not fallow common sense, morality or real life. So it’s not based on actual biblical principles. It’s a stringinciy and even tho it’s a beautiful thing it’s very extreme way of living and it’s not simple to stop every part of who you are and sell it to religion. The Torah itself is complete as is. There’s not one part of it that doesn’t make perfect sense that doesn’t fit into reality _exactly_ and everytime I see how exact it is, I appreciate creation so much more and I understand G-ds wisdom so much more. Also remember no biblical person kept rabbinical there’s not one story in the entire Torah shebichsav of anyone keeping rabbinical law. That means it was inserted at some point in the timeline of our religion and when you say how they used to kill people for not fallowing their opinion now I understand how it became so embedded so quickly. Someone very smart and sly hijacked us along the way. I’m not saying it’s not beautiful I’m saying it doesn’t fit with reality exactly. So whoever interpreted the Torah interpreted it _incorrectly_ cuz only G-d word itself know His creation exactly and that’s how you can discern Devine words from man’s words. The proof is in the
Yirah is not fear. It means _awe_ huge difference
You can do whatever you _want_ just matters how much you care about what other people think of you
Cuz your two opposites of two _extrmes_ and there are many many unhappy people in the mix. People unhappy with who they married. People unhappy _in_ marriage and people unhappy with the marriage system. I propose a middle ground of _both_ worlds. Our system is actually very broken for a lot of people. Maybe ask a long time married guy how miserable he is.
Also G-d created reality through speech. So when he said “don’t add to my word” He meant don’t add laws to reality that weren’t already there
Now that we have established that free will is not evil as you are trying so hard to say, G-d also placed within each of us a conscience. An inclination helping guide us between right and wrong. He also placed on earth moral spiritual consequences that happen when we do the wrong thing, not taking away our free will but guiding it properly in the right direction. The Torah itself was just a book written to guide our personalities into the right direction and also to spell our plainly what the consequences are of _choosing_ evil. Aka Devine authority will hold us accountable blah blah blah. Stop vellifying free will by using extreme examples
Yes free will is sacred because it’s a G-d given right. Given to us by our creator because we are His created beings and that’s how He designed us. He gave us earth to create dominion over it. And subdue it.
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Accountability doesn’t take away free will. _if_ you choose xyz _these_ are the consequences whether moral physical, metaphysical. Reality simply works that way. You can still decide to do whatever you want. Your just not free from the consequence of your choice. And G-d spells it out for you. Uncovering your elbow isn’t a moral or immoral act and there are no real time physical consequences in reality for it. So if a rabbi comes in and kills me for it. He’s being evil. _that_ has consequences.
When you were 5 your parents held you accountable. When you are an adult G-d holds you accountable. But G-d is not religious. Lol so if a rav reads His word to the extreme that human entity is being evil
Yes free will is sacred cuz we are all born that way. second G-d holds us accountable for all our wrongdoings. In real time. On earth. Not after we die. Stop using an extreme example to miss the point of free will. Just cuz I show my elbows doesn’t mean I’m evil. The Torah is about morality not about stringincies. No entity has a right to be stringent and hold people accountable to impossible standards and take the letter of the law out of context for their own power that in it of itself is fear mongering and a power grab. Itself evil.
No wonder we are so *afraid” of doing or not doing rabbinical law. Now I get it. They used fear and enforcement. It only takes one generation to imbedd fear into a society and from then on the society will pass it down for millenia. Absolute control isn’t something healthy and something to emulate. Absolute control creates a echo chamber for elites to use and abuse their power. Now the entire system makes sense. It is not based on morality but on control
Anywho this entire thread could have also started off “why do we make wedding at all, isn’t it copying lavan” always ask questions if your allowing mixed seating at a wedding for shudduchik why don’t you just allow men and woman meet naturally without a shidduch resume….stupid system
Sounds like Muslims already. Wow
(face palm) is this supposed to sound smart. It sounds worse then dumb
I doubt that’s true ujm conservative and reform and less sheeple. I don’t think you’ll hear them arguing about which rabbi said what like its gospel and holds weight. Some how I doubt that
Coffee addict it has nothing to do with how socioty changed and how much everything became mass produced from China and eaosou excessivable, Instagram and the focus on materialism? At all?
Your right
Then they used fear to enforce their laws. Thats still force and treading on a sacred moral, free will. Even the Torah itself is written in 3rd person so it doesn’t take away your free will. It’s sick to see how much humans think they are G-d bit G-d is much much more then humans will ever be. The evil inclination which is fear manipulation and control is not G-d its the snake
This is such B’s if I’ve ever seen it. This is supposed to be gadlus. Please take off your crazy glasses.
Ok so a gadol said it and ujm is also a person with a brain and he can also think for himself same way they had an opinion so does he. Who are they G-d? That they can’t be questioned. This is idol worship. Excuse me. There’s one thing to respect someone and another to make their words as if it’s coming from G-d himself. Every single person is connected directly to source and we _all_ have wisdom. Even if some things we think are delusional doesn’t make people before this generation not delusional either. Wt…
Bj613 exactly lol. Zionism was the way G-d got us Israel. Lol people think cuz their “non believers” must not be the way G-d will use someone for His purposes and this is how we know we are mere humans and there is a creator. Cuz G-d did not ask us first our input He does things His way.
Schooling in general is a scam.