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Anyways it’s also not about balance it’s about opportunity of you keep trying to control the environment people have to meet you control who people meet and then don’t let G-d work His will. Just saying. If your anyways trusting singles to sit together at a wedding I’m sure you can trust them even if they bump into each other on the street. There’s really no difference respectfully your just trying to convince yourself there is

Common saychel maybe move far away from family. Why do we stick to family like their our community it says to leave your mother and father. For a reason. Stop going back home all the time go somewhere else for shabbas. Stop calling home all the time my goodness can we grow up

The Torah is very broad happy new year. So that’s a very vague statement. Haimy. That’s your _opinion_ and I’m _sure_ there’s some metaphysical thing going on when you light a candle for a tzadik

True it doesn’t work. If people are old enough to get married their old enough to discern who they want to marry and meet them by mistake like they have done for millennial instead of stopping ourselves and trying to control reality. What a stupid system

And show me the exact words in the pasuk showing what you claim that he kept “muktza” show me it. I want to see. Not the interpretation of it and someone’s dreams about what he did but the exact words

People who eat traditional foods all their lives don’t suffer as much from lifelong diseases. If you want to see what real health looks like look at ancient tribes who still live to this day with traditional dietsm nonmedical system they have robust health and no lifelong diseases

Gadol hadofi all foods have vitamins in them and traditional foods like liver and kishke and choke t actually are more nutrients dense then any health food garbage you will ever eat. Instead of looking at the food itself look at the outcome. Does that person have healthy hair skin and nails. You’ll _never_ See a vegan with healthy hair. Never. Also they have high anxiety due to lack of fats. In general people who are too much into health have very leathery skin due to stress or lack of proper nutrients profile. Stop eating propaganda start observing the people who actually are vibrant and healthy. Most Jewish people eating traditional diets have amazing health

I know I’m coming in the middle bjt just cause you read somewhere how “dangerous” carbs are doesn’t make it true. Theres a lot of propaganda in the health industry. Why do you think Trump eats his cheeseburgers and looks great cuz half of what they are telling you is lies

Alot of people are driven by hatred_ideoligies_ and much evil Happen because of ideology not truth. Just rallying behind slogans and beliefs system not truth. that’s why blind faith again and again is a danger to self. But you cannot expect people also to be completely united either on oppinons that’s not possible or feasable the question is is our thoughts grounded in a belief system or the truth

I’m not saying frum people are corrupt but sometimes we can in certain scenarios choose things that are disconnected from morality becuse we don’t _have_ a relationship with it and wer never truly thought proper principles..only ritual. Which is an add on to reality. Ok whatever you get the point

Non political you _did_ try to paint free will as evil. You may have not said it but that’s what you implied by using an extreme example to paint choice and living within reality through your true self. Maybe you didn’t mean it but that’s what you said. Your also complicating a very basic principle with all your complicated examples. Stop thinking so deeply. It’s not that complicated. You were born on earth there are trees. You can either burn down the forest or create a house for yourself. G-d came with a book and said if you burn down the forest there will be moral consequences and also Devine consequences cuz you will not only hurt yourself but if that city near there burns you are also liable. Murder taints the soul. It is not just G-d that holds you accountable but reality itself has consequences. You still have free will. To live with those consequences.

Rabbinical law is your perception I simply disagree that G-d said it cuz based on actual scruity of actual reality it does not fallow common sense, morality or real life. So it’s not based on actual biblical principles. It’s a stringinciy and even tho it’s a beautiful thing it’s very extreme way of living and it’s not simple to stop every part of who you are and sell it to religion. The Torah itself is complete as is. There’s not one part of it that doesn’t make perfect sense that doesn’t fit into reality _exactly_ and everytime I see how exact it is, I appreciate creation so much more and I understand G-ds wisdom so much more. Also remember no biblical person kept rabbinical there’s not one story in the entire Torah shebichsav of anyone keeping rabbinical law. That means it was inserted at some point in the timeline of our religion and when you say how they used to kill people for not fallowing their opinion now I understand how it became so embedded so quickly. Someone very smart and sly hijacked us along the way. I’m not saying it’s not beautiful I’m saying it doesn’t fit with reality exactly. So whoever interpreted the Torah interpreted it _incorrectly_ cuz only G-d word itself know His creation exactly and that’s how you can discern Devine words from man’s words. The proof is in the

You can do whatever you _want_ just matters how much you care about what other people think of you

Also G-d created reality through speech. So when he said “don’t add to my word” He meant don’t add laws to reality that weren’t already there

Yes free will is sacred because it’s a G-d given right. Given to us by our creator because we are His created beings and that’s how He designed us. He gave us earth to create dominion over it. And subdue it.

Accountability doesn’t take away free will. _if_ you choose xyz _these_ are the consequences whether moral physical, metaphysical. Reality simply works that way. You can still decide to do whatever you want. Your just not free from the consequence of your choice. And G-d spells it out for you. Uncovering your elbow isn’t a moral or immoral act and there are no real time physical consequences in reality for it. So if a rabbi comes in and kills me for it. He’s being evil. _that_ has consequences.

Yes free will is sacred cuz we are all born that way. second G-d holds us accountable for all our wrongdoings. In real time. On earth. Not after we die. Stop using an extreme example to miss the point of free will. Just cuz I show my elbows doesn’t mean I’m evil. The Torah is about morality not about stringincies. No entity has a right to be stringent and hold people accountable to impossible standards and take the letter of the law out of context for their own power that in it of itself is fear mongering and a power grab. Itself evil.

Anywho this entire thread could have also started off “why do we make wedding at all, isn’t it copying lavan” always ask questions if your allowing mixed seating at a wedding for shudduchik why don’t you just allow men and woman meet naturally without a shidduch resume….stupid system

I doubt that’s true ujm conservative and reform and less sheeple. I don’t think you’ll hear them arguing about which rabbi said what like its gospel and holds weight. Some how I doubt that

Your right