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Always ask questions and I concluded that they were wrong with the same principle that they used.
Your mixing knowledge with experience you need both for discernment and wisdomAlways ask questions. The boundery starts with the ten commandments. Do not murder. Your entire thread you just wrote shows the arbitrary _compliations_ and absolute stupidity of some of these arguments. And I’m so sorry I’m saying this, because I understand these arguments are sacred to all of you, so, I apologize, but that is such a stupid argument and waste of time and waste of moral principles. Hefker shouldn’t be so complicated. I think these rabbanim have you guys arguing about stupidity all day so you wouldn’t see how much control they have over your life.
And _before_ you jump down my thought, please, please, please tell me that you don’t know _anyrhing_ about basic manipulation tactics. Cuz in your belief system there are so many of them.
Still very insular thinking ujm is this thread a dumb attempt at not being a walking talking contradiction
You are not mechyav to listen to _anyone_ if they tell you to do the wrong thing. Seem wrong means your radar is beeping. If they told you to jump off the roof and unalive someone youd do it too? Your not a sheep. And your not a soldier. You are free thinking _moral_ person and if you don’t fallow actual morality you may and can do great evil in the name of good. Give me a break
When you have wise and understanding men as leaders they are going to discern things _properly_ and guide you and the nation with _wisdom_
G-d did not use this language so the elites can use it for power grabbing.This was about saying:
“Don’t be a smart alick, if a wise and understanding person gave you good advice don’t be stupid not to listen.Please. Take your fear mongering and control retoric,elite driven power grabbing mispresentstion of G-ds holy word and bury it deep in the depths of the grave where darkness. Evil control and manipulation belong. It’s time for _redemption_
Again all these sentences you are saying are power grabs. My name is none 2.
If you argue with me your arguing with G-d.
Who gives me the right to say that? Noone.
Exactly. I can say whatever I want. Doesn’t make it trueChaZal can teach whatever they want but if they don’t reach the truth then they are not teaching the truth.
Lo tassor min hadavar. You missed the first part of the message. It first says to choose _wise_ and _understanding_ men and then don’t move from the right or the left to what they say.
Picking and choosing as usual. The entire text needs to be ready in _context_
That is _agenda_ driven discernment of the Torah. This is about power and control not trying to figure out what G-d wantsAlso I never in my entire life thought bris milah wasn’t self explanatory. So no I need to read the text first and see what I think of it before I can give you an answer I can argue quite coherently about other things. Are you slow?
Just because someone is an authority figure doesn’t make them correct. Remember elites can abuse their power if absolute power is given. Only _G-d_ himself does not make mistakes. Unless your saying the rishonim are g-d. That’s uh idol worship
Do not marry close kin
“It’s ok to marry an uncle to a niece”
Do not murder
“It’s not a human life before 40 days”
Right so how does a tree start growing if the seed doesn’t get to germinate. A human life needs to start _somewhere_.
Lineage comes from the mother.
In all biblical tests lineage comes from the father.
The Torah is actually blueprint of _reality_ which means that if it says it comes through the father then its biological and no rav Sanhedrin or person can change reality. Maybe they can play with the spiritual aspect and make some form of a binding thing in the spiritual world but you cannot change biology that’s the fabric of creation. SorryNo hard feelings guys I know it’s cuz you rather villify someone that doesn’t follow the herd then actually examine what they say. Maybe I don’t say things coharently and I post too much info at the same time. But what I’m saying is grounded in truth, reality, common sense, morality, honesty, and realistic thinking cuz it is _concepts_ that are _universal_.
The fact that universal truth is such a trigger means you are a clique not a religion. Conformists. Not moral people. This entire thread clearly shows why the Torah is needed. First you virtue signal like your the chosen people and than you post this post because someone doesn’t conform to your way actually going against your own “halachos” proving my point about needing a moral guidebook lol. Cuz at the end of the day when it’s convenient for you (and _everyone_ does this) you _do_ make your own choices. This thread proves my pointUjm you know how many teens are mechalel shabbat in our circles. Please stop acting your better every person makes choices for themselves. Maybe not wise onces but weren’t better then anyone
Stam it’s ok no head feelings lol
It’s ok yaakov yesef it’s a kaparah I’m getting points in shamayim. 😉
Weaponized incompetence. Or messy truth?
Also who gave the rabbinim the right to interpret whether something is literal or symbolic how do _they_ know .they don’t and I can say they read things quite wrong with actual real life consequences for _all_ of us for millenia. Sorry this is my oppion. And even if I think our religion is beautiful doesn’t mean human beings cannot make mistakes. No man errs. Only G-d Himself does not err..not even the wisest of men and holiest of them all. If we actually believed they cannot err that’s placing someone literally before G-d. Aka idol worship. I value their oppion. But as a human being that has my own thoughts I disagree and that’s not a crime we are all entitled to think what makes sense. For us and what we agree with. Our choices our mind our lives our circumstances our opinions. And our choices and our responsibility. The only person we need to answer to is G-d Himself. Getting to the truth is important
A lot of symbolism is obvious. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out, you clearly never tried to read the plain text. Also the Torah is a living book. As you _live_ you understand it more and more. That means young and old can understand it if you even have one ounce of life experience. Certain things you might not understand right away but real life will teach you or someone with real life experience can teach you
When you read the text, if you have common sense and _wisdom_ the clear definition of symbolism. And literal becomes clear.
Just because for you it’s oral law doesn’t mean the value of the what you believe _isnt_ delusional. You have alot of attachments to this way of thinking cuz this is your entire life. I get it but take a step back and examine and scrutinize your belief system it doesn’t make sense. Sometimes we don’t see things clearly. Doing it your way doesn’t mean it’s the truth. Sorry. It’s just something you’ve been doing for a long long time. I get it. In _my_ eyes it doesn’t follow common sense or hold up to scrutiny sorry the truth hurts
I was stating reality that’s not attacking your character. You don’t read what you wrote but you missed my point on purpose to bring up a new point which showed you missed the first point. You have a hateful attitude towards what I say becuase it doesn’t fit your narrative. It might not be _directed_ _at_ me but you can’t listen and learn a new perspective because your whole lifestyle is based around this beleif system and it’s easier to push me away and miss the point then to see my point. Too much skin in the game. _thats_ what I meant. It’s ok. Your forgiven bris milah clearly states what to do. Unless your slow. G-d wrote things in the most simplistic _manner_ please instead of read the Torah cuz your too brainwashed to read abc read a _differant_ book that’s written as simply as the Torah and tell me you can’t understand it at face value. I’m trying to tell you that you can your just too stuck on what they told you to do so. Open the text and tell me you don’t understand it. If you don’t then your either not listening to your own intellect or just refuse out of stubbornness to see sense
None of the above. None, _2.0_
Oh ujm your talking about me. I’m famous!!! Yay.
*soul.
We are not guided by G-d directly from a prophet so you can’t say oh this is what G-d wants and fallow it without thinking so I wouldn’t put it in the same category simply cuz the circumstances are different. I think tho each person needs to ask himself what G-d wants from him and what he is called to do maybe in that sense it would be similar
If someone needs “compenetant” instruction how to think or learn something that’s clearly brainwashing. G-d said don’t eat from the tree of knowledge. Knowing things that you can’t figure out from reality itself or from simply understanding something is going to sperate you from reality and from G-d. I call the entire system a hoax. So sorry
If G-d said in one breath to bind something on your heart and on your soil and then in another breath says and bind it on your right hand it’s _obvously_ symbolism I mean what could “binding” it on your heart mean. Symbolism. Like for real. Why don’t we have an entire chapter and ritual on how to bind it on your heart. Cuz you can’t it’s symbolic or maybe deeper then that something your supposed to ruminate on in general. Like for real.
2 cents I said it was symbolic cuz a lot of it is. Not all of it. _prophecy_ is generally symbolic. Again relax. You sound so hateful. You can’t understand what I said? Oh right doesn’t fit your brainwashing. If read with _wisdom_ and _common sense_ you can deicer. Which parts are symbolic and which parts are not. I cannot speak for bris milah cuz I never read that part. But like teffilin it’s very clearly _symbolism_
The cant that you call it ppp and don’t see one iota of common sense and real life wisdom means you either can’t comprehend basic concepts. Don’t understand reality or rather hold tightly to lies for the rest of your life cuz you have too much to lose. Try to defeat one thing and argue against it? You have a rebuttal somehow I doubt it cuz what I said makes _perfect_ sense it’s just too hard for you to dismantle so many years of brainwashing. I wrote _very_ simplistic comments. Things that many stupid person can understand but instead of thinking into it and letting it give you a new perspective you can’t handle that it breaks your old one.
Haimy that is _not_ your business and you have no right asking. What’s wrong with you
Also hakatan human beings need to operate from truth if they want to be real, healthy vibrant and connected to G-d and I’m here to bring a magnifying glass on things that never truly has ever been scrutinized before and has _glaring_ inconsistencies. I mean can I not have an opinion or I must conform to yours to be considered. We are not boxes. We all have different life experiences understandings and opinions. Me and u are not the same therefore our perspectives are different sorry I don’t conform to your viewpoint don’t be stupid
Who says im not Orthodox. It’s not lible. If you want to live in your echo chamber forever you can but people need a new perspective grounded in reality. And you can say it’s G-ds truth and I’m here to say it isn’t. Truth needs to be able to withstand scrutiny and fallow common sense. G-ds created common sense
Just to add a random thought even tho shlucha is an amazing idea it’s very hard on the families that do it. I find a lot of chabad families being like angry on the inside they even tho the idea is nice it’s very hard on them they give up their privacy, their homes….I know your of course going to deny what I’m saying but I’ve never seen a happy shlucha family. I think people should spend time honoring what they believe not live according to a belief system outside themselves s. Like a famous free Will coach says (Jewish) either your choosing to do what makes sense for you or you become a cog in the chain of reality and reality is done to you. That’s what shluchim feel that they don’t have a choice. It’s not healthy. It’s amazing but for them personally it’s hard for them
Totally not the place sorry. my keyboard….
“heres an instruction manual for real life. It’s got all the pitfalls the mistakes, lessons, values, stories, truth, metophors, secrets, systems, rules, laws blah blah all so it can help guide you for life”
Oh wait only the elite can interpret it for you. They can twist _my_ words, take them out of context, read them all the wrong ways and instead of reading It for yourself to apply it personally to your own life you have to filter it through their oppion.
Control control control. In _any_ other scenarios were the government to do the same thing on any level you would call blasphemy
Somehow it’s ok cuz it’s our religion.
The value system of truth doesn’t change regardless of who says what.
A manual for life needs to be interpreted by each person so he can apply it _personally_ to his own life and own circumstances. Sorry2cents the _gemara_ states. Lol. show me in the pasuk. Not gemarah. Thank you.
Non political please tell me what’s the point in writing a book if it’s plain meaning cannot be interpreted?Alot of it is symbolic. “Tree” of knowledge..it’s not talking about an actual tree. Fruit of your labor. Symbolic. I believe also teffilin is symbolic but again you can interpret it differently the Torah it’s open for information same way any book of information is. Erm…what else…
You know what I’m noticing all this commentary is taking us away from the framework of basic morality. You don’t need more then your conscience and a good connection to right and wrong to make moral choices _accross_ the board. The extra commentary just complicated reality.
We are so dumb it has nothing to do with grandparents at all lol. It’s to do with lack of lack. Lol and maybe being brought up in abundance has made us into elites. Elites with elite mindset which sometimes means being disconnected to reality. Grandparents cannot do that only abundance can
Mashiach isn’t just for Jewish “people” it’s for the whole earth. Everyone who believes in truth and morality are “chosen” and peace will be upon earth. Whatever we have thought about our insular stuck up mindset is wrong. Mashiach will not be Jewish cuz that cannot be possible but he will be the “tribe” of Judah embodying judahs attributes. Everything written in the Torah is symbolic. Maybe we should stop looking at everything through the lense of ideology and maybe start looking at the things through the lense of reality. Sorry reality doesn’t care about your beliefs system
We are born selfish because of we weren’t selfish we wouldn’t get our needs met but if you are raised properly you won’t _be_ selfish I actually think that people by nature are givers. I mean we also have a conscience and Devine punishment aka moral consequences to choices we make which puts a block on absolute selfishness I mean, have you ever chosen yourself and watched your life be racked by guilt. Have you never tried to make a choice and felt the weight of _making_ that choice because it may have affected another badly. Do you _not_ have a conscience? You do ujm so I don’t know if we are all selfish. Maybe some of us are just spoiled that way and have to much
Ujm did you _miss_ everything I said? Did you hear it let it sink in did you realize the magnitude of the honor that I speak of. The design of creation. Did you purposefully miss the message so you can miss the point and stay in your cynical viewpoint of life forever? I mean give me a. Break. Maybe read what I wrote and let it free you from. The chains that are shaking your soul
Anyways it’s also not about balance it’s about opportunity of you keep trying to control the environment people have to meet you control who people meet and then don’t let G-d work His will. Just saying. If your anyways trusting singles to sit together at a wedding I’m sure you can trust them even if they bump into each other on the street. There’s really no difference respectfully your just trying to convince yourself there is
Right convince yourself do you ever even have one memory or one pasuk where it says any of that lol. Ye right. Show me the text in plain English let’s see how you twisted it and read it out of context. Cuz I’ve never seen the pesukim read in context with any level of wisdom lol.
Common saychel maybe move far away from family. Why do we stick to family like their our community it says to leave your mother and father. For a reason. Stop going back home all the time go somewhere else for shabbas. Stop calling home all the time my goodness can we grow up