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Ofcourse: In order for the knee to covered while getting into/out of a car, going up stairs, and while sitting down you would need at least 4″ for most people. Some people may even need more than 4″. So the point is to insure it is covered in all those, and other, positions. (The schools use the 4″ rule of thumb as most people can’t use shorter and still be covered while getting into/out of a car, going up stairs, while sitting down, etc. The Rabbonim advise to wear something that will insure coverage at ALL times.)
Ofcourse: They insist that the skirt be long enough to cover the knees in ALL positions throughout the day, including getting into/out of a car, going up stairs, and while sitting down.
And if your gut is going “NO DON’T DO IT” then don’t!
And if your gut is going “YES DO IT” then do it!
“most women are not confused about tznius but rather conflicted .”
bennaishek:
In what way are they “conflicted”?
charliehall: They’ve never admitted to smuggling nor had they known they were smuggling. They simply thought they were bringing something for a friend, fully legally. They were unaware of the false bottom.
More likely it will serve as an example what not to do, and encourage proper behavior.
RSRH: Guilty until proven innocent is never a just system.
You shouldn’t expect to get butterflies or infatuation and be crazy over the person you will marry. These things come after marriage for most people.
I think extroverts should marry introverts (and vice versa).
The point was to save the other vulnerable children who, G-d forbid, could have come under his severely negative influence.
AOM: You indicated on armed guard is not enough, since he can be taken down with an AK47. Well two can also be taken down like that, with a couple of terrorists. I don’t know why you find the very real need for full airport-style security at every Yeshiva and Shul amusing. We very much need a Department of Yeshiva Security (DYS).
I am.
maishe dovid: You’ve precisely identified a major problem.
apy: You said above you’re looking into the Medrash Tanchuma after shachris this morning, and will report back. What were the results?
For me it is the ability to influence.
Most Chareidish Yeshiva’s in NY take the regular regents.
I don’t think armed guards are enough. Every Yeshiva and shul should have armed guards, bomb-sniffing dogs, metal detectors, and airport-style security agents questioning everyone entering the premises. And random pat-downs.
BSD:
You made the right decision and for the right reasons.
Hatzlocha!
I think both sides above are converging towards a shared solution. There should be a way that someone thrown out of a Yeshivisha Yeshiva for breaching something like the gender separations should be found a way to go to a MO Yeshiva.
I think the biggest obstacle to this solution is the pupil in question and his/her parents themselves. They don’t want to go there.
No one ever said success is defined by numbers. Your point of the Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist populations is absolutely meaningless.
It is a skonos nefoshos situation, as he (or she) can literally destroy other children’s innocence, and bring them towards his wayward ways. Yes, this is a very very bad situation. You wouldn’t say if someone killed someone to give him “three strikes” and forgive, and neither should you here. One is physical life and death; this is spiritual life and death.
The Yeshiva needs to save the rest of the class from being severely negatively influenced by a pupil engaged in serious wrongdoing. I think this surely qualifies as such. It teaches action results in consequence; that engaging in something harmful to ones neshama cannot be acceptable.
If its boys, they shouldn’t miss Torah studies; if its girls, you have more flexibility.
Why don’t you start Torah topics, and thus alleviate the shortage?
The person who reported it to the Menahel may very well had an obligation to do so.
The consensus was that it is very easy to engage in letzanus on a halachic issue that makes one uncomfortable.
apy: There are many existing such threads already, discussing those issues.
Rabbi Ralbag from Triangle-K?
If they violated even one they are chayiv misa.
They are rewarded if they kept ALL the 7 mitzvos of Bnei Noach.
Sounds like there is more to the story than being reported here.
mewho: I posted that link yesterday, above.
mewho: That isn’t exactly correct. How else does anyone living in NYC with a learner’s permit practice driving in the city? Obviously it is allowed — with various restrictions.
Driving privileges in NYC for permit holders is the same whether the NYS Learner’s Permit holder resides and received the permit from an upstate (or downstate) office of the DMV — or if they reside and received the permit in a NYC location.
“Second, I am disturbed a bit by what sounds like saying that a woman should decide how to dress based on her husband’s likes.”
The Torah tells us to dress based upon our husband’s likes (inside the home; and b’tznua outside.)
“My opinion is wear whatever color you like, how much you like to wear as long as your husband likes it!!”
Exactly — in the house. That’s where your husband can enjoy it. Outside, other husband’s, Jew and gentile, will — and shouldn’t.
“Some people may need half the makeup in Macys, just to reach the level of presentable”
That is completely fallacious. Anyone who talked that into themselves, is just looking for an excuse.
trak: Here are the NYS DMV’s official restrictions for a permit:
yid.period, you’re correct. An unmarried woman should only wear makeup while she is involved in shidduchim, and a married woman while shes at home.
trak: Is her permit a NYS permit or an out of state permit?
An out of state learner’s permit is NOT valid in New York City. In all areas of the state except New York City, Nassau or Suffolk counties, a non-resident licensee under 18 years of age may operate a vehicle from 5 a.m. to 9 p.m. when accompanied by a licensed driver over 18 years of age. You may not drive in New York state if you are under 16, even if you are licensed in another state.
Yup, we good. 🙂
(I thought we good until this thread came around; but now we real good.)
A necklace.
The only mistake the paper made was to apologize. They did nothing wrong, and the apology accomplished nothing.
It should be noted that the *only* thing Der Zeitung apologized for was for altering the photo even though the White House requested no alterations be made. As already discussed here as well as at the Washington Post, in fact they were fully within their rights to make, and publish, whatever modifications they wish.
Google Translate does Yiddish.
The Taliban cuts women’s heads off and their courts approve fathers and brothers doing an “honor killing” on their misbehaved daughters and sisters. How on earth’s name can anyone invoke the Taliban? And, Wolf, what deiyzooger quoted is them *defending* themselves from their critics (mainly on the internet) comparing them to the Taliban.
And, yes, I too completely agree with popa that this whole incident is a big tado about nothing but silliness that a frei yid who hates the Orthodox got the media to try to make a whole sensation out of.
It’s appropriate to find out relevant information before starting to date someone. You don’t want to get emotionally involved only to find out later that there is background that isn’t acceptable.
z’sdad: They have a rav who decides what goes in. Google di tzeitung and you will find their number if you want his name. R. Willig is a modern rabbi and has standards far different than Chareidim.
“Exactly, and offered their own interpretation.”
Not sure which interpertation you refer to, but exact quotes of the Ralbag and Baalei HaTosfos are on the first page of this thread.
“Certainly, when I get around to it.”
Please don’t feel pressured to rush. 🙂
Is the person a relative or a (former) friend?
I’m very sorry adorable, please forgive me. I was kidding last week on the niece thread and didn’t intend to be sharp, and apologize it came across wrong. I earnestly do like you and the comments you make, and in no way think negatively of you. I’ll endeavor to be gentle in my future comments to you.
A known former Orthodox, now a frei Jew hater, saw it and gave it to the Jerusalem Post, who published it and from there the mainstream media picked it up.