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I have realized that the reason I post here might be due to wanting to get an ego boost
And what is wrong with an ego boost? Humans naturally look to other humans for approval, and it feels good to be liked and respected. That is natural and normal, and I’m not aware of anything wrong with it.
The mussar seforim discuss using this midda in good ways, and discuss suppressing it when it is harmful. I don’t see how this is a harmful way.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantChayey odom:
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At the time the Chayey odom lived, there were well established minhagim which held various amounts of hours, as the rema notes. It is completely probable that these are the minhagim he refers to. And that the history of their development is as the taz and shach describe.
I note that according to no current minhag can you just bench and wash again, as is min hadin according to the rishonim of not eating in the same seudah. And therefore chayey odom does not consider the possibility that somebody might be matir neder and start just benching and not waiting at all. If, as you posit, chayey odom is referring to the alternative shittos in the din of the gemara–not the minhagim of his time–then he should discuss that as well, particularly since that is how the rema paskens min hadin.
I see nothing in this which implies that anyone holds those minhagim are m’dina d’gemara.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantStart a kiruv organization that focuses only on boys. Boom! Just like that, the whole imaginary shidduch crisis is solved!
My rosh yeshiva had a better idea. We could simply take the extra amount of girls each year, and kill them!
See, if we kill them, we only take away their olam hazeh. But if we neglect to teach them torah, we take away their olam haboh. I’m sure they’d rather just lose the olam hazeh.
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popa_bar_abbaParticipantpopa_bar_abbaParticipantAh, and today’s post of the week goes to WIY, for his work in the area of Superficiality and Shidduchim.
Funny, we are superficial because we want a slim girl, but the fat girls aren’t superficial in that they cant stop fressing fattening food and monitor their food intake?!
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popa_bar_abbaParticipantJMH:
To update on my research:
The ??? ??? you cite does not help you. It merely says there are different minhagim of how long to wait–which is nothing we haven’t seen in the rema, and in the rishonim. It does not suggest that it is based on a machlokes about how long the shiur of bein seuda l’seuda is, as you suggest.
I’d like you to find the ????. I did an exhaustive bar ilan search through it, with keywords: ???, ?????, ???, ???? (separately), and found nothing.
So to conclude:
The chayei adom says nothing.
The maharil implies like me (says you cannot eat in same meal, and then cites chumra to wait some hours, like taz explains and like I said).
Rabbeinu yerucham implies like you in one place, but is ???? himself, and the one which is like you is also contradicted by its being based on an non-existent source.
???? is MIA.
Taz, shach, are like me.
Rema implies like me.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOk, yes, that is what it says in Rabbeinu yerucham there.
??? ??? ???? ????? ????’ ?? ????’ ???’ ??’ ???? ??? ??? ?? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????, ??’ ?”? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ???’ ???? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?’ ???? ???”?
Which is really interesting, and presumably shach and taz and rema where not aware of it, or had a different girsa in it (easy to switch a ? and ?–either way). It is especially interesting since Rabbeinu yerucham himself says the opposite as I quoted above.
How about the maharil? I quoted above where he implies like me (says you cannot eat in same meal, and then cites chumra to wait some hours, like taz explains and like I said).
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHere is the maharil
You can see he says:
??? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ????? ??”? ?? ????? ????. ?????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?’ ????, ?????? ?????? ??? ???. ????? ??????
popa_bar_abbaParticipantJMH: I didn’t think that was true, as the nosei keilim on the shulchan aruch say, and the rema implies. However, it is not impossible that the taz and shach are ignoring 10 rishonim.
Nevertheless, I’m a bit confused where you are getting your info from. I was curious enough to try to look up some of your sources. Let’s start with Rabeinu yerucham.
Rabbeinu yerucham, in ?????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ? says:
??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????’ ????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ???’ ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??’ ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????? ???
So that is saying 6 hours…
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI assume you can go in and ask them to slice bread horizontally…
popa_bar_abbaParticipantFashion is worn for the purpose of getting the body noticed.
No it isn’t.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAnd once again, the thread follows PBA’s predestined line of thought.
That is no big deal when I start the thread. It is a much better trick when I don’t.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOk, take 2.
doniel: That is not really accurate. Any shitta of less than 6 hours comes from the other opinion in the rishonim that you only have to wait until you bench and start the meal over. And then communities were machmir to wait some amount of time anyway. See rema and nosei keilim, 89:1.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIf there was a “crisis” – within a few years we’ld hear about wedding halls going broke, and heddarim closing for want of students.
Does that make sense? No. So why are you saying it?
Chadarim would close down if there were progressively less kids. In fact though, the principal theory for the shidduch crisis is that there are progressively more kids.
In any event, to address OP: There is a numbers crisis, and there are more girls than guys. That doesn’t mean all the girls are open to dating all the guys though, for better or for worse. But nor does it mean all the guys are open to dating all the girls.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantyeah, you’re right. Mods, can you help us out here?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantit is most certainly a fashion statement and very unappropriate.
Are you saying that fashion statements are inappropriate? Please tell us why.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantoomis: It’s a bit of a mystery why we eat turkeys, since we stopped relying on the simanim several hundred years ago, and now require mesorah on it.
The best answer I’ve seen is that turkeys just beat the clock and we found them and started eating them right before we decided to only use mesorah, and so therefore they had a mesorah from that time.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe bro code, I think it’s called.
Bros before women. (or something like that)
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe better to step on your toes with.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYou don’t have to be so rude.
Believe me, I toned it down majorly from how I first drafted it. And I think even the first drafting was an appropriate response. Go back and read what I was responding to.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWolf: Actually, it is indeed injected. But there are numerous differences between it and a classic k’soves kaaka. I don’t know if they are halachicly relevant differences, but neither does farrocks or he would have cited some sources which discuss it (there are several modern teshuvos, I googled and found).
popa_bar_abbaParticipanttorah613613torah is mostly correct.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantShes on a date give her some space!
Well, I assume she ducks into the bathroom at some point to check YWN on her iphone.
November 22, 2012 2:32 am at 2:32 am in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952420popa_bar_abbaParticipantMoshe stopped writing and google talked Bentzion. “Nu, so how do you like my story? I think we managed to do a good job talking about a character named Mohamed in a story about jews without making his probable arab-ness relevant in any way. I bet you didn’t think that was going to happen.”
Bentzion chatted back (continued)
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNu?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe general practice is that your skirt should be just long enough that it covers your knees when you are sitting, but needs to be “tugged” about every 5 minutes. You should practice while sitting on the couch at home to ensure this precise length.
Since this is your first date, we’ll also be nice and give real advice.
Relax, it is no big deal.
It is not awkward if there are silences for a few minutes. That happens in normal conversation with even friends.
Don’t think about whether it is going good, until you are back home.
Smile, be nice to him. He’ll be nice to you.
Be a good listener. People tend to think you are good at conversation if you listen to them.
You’re going to be fine; you will be the same good person tomorrow no matter how awkward it can be, no matter how much you dislike spending time with him, no matter how much you thought it was good but he didn’t want to date you anymore.
And most of all: give us a full report when you get home (jk).
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWear a nice shabbos outfit. Most girls don’t wear fancy like wedding.
Wear heels only if you know he’ll still be taller. You remember that because heel sounds like he’ll.
November 21, 2012 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952414popa_bar_abbaParticipantSo Henry and Muhammed and Nancy left the house. The banshee followed them, but did not make any noise. They left the town, and wandered through the fields with no apparent direction, muck like the B”esht’s horses.
As the walked along, Henry began to sing:
“The despot’s heel is on thy shore,
his torch is at thy temple door,
avenge the patriotic gore, that flecked the streets of Baltimore,
and be the battle queen of yore, Maryland! My Maryland!
Soon they came upon a clearing in the woods, where the horseman with the crown and the wagon chasing him, were stopped and conferring quietly. OneOfMany seemed to be leading the discussion, from which the words “morgul”, “genius”, and “short subtitle” could be heard out of context.
Henry boldly walked into the group, and strode up to the horseman. “In the name of Muhammed, I demand the crown.”
The horseman looked scornfully at him, and responded:
“In spite of ice, in spite of snow,
in spite of all the winds that blow,
in spite of hail, and biting frost,
take thyself and get thee lost.”
Muhammed also wanted the crown, since he had always fancied one. So he sidled up to the horseman’s horse, and put a burr under its saddle.
(continued) (you’ll participate if I say you will)
November 21, 2012 4:33 am at 4:33 am in reply to: VAS License Plates on a Non-Emergency Vehicle #1031368popa_bar_abbaParticipantoh, sorry
November 21, 2012 4:20 am at 4:20 am in reply to: VAS License Plates on a Non-Emergency Vehicle #1031365popa_bar_abbaParticipantWow, I wasn’t expecting that reaction.
November 21, 2012 2:56 am at 2:56 am in reply to: VAS License Plates on a Non-Emergency Vehicle #1031363popa_bar_abbaParticipantI clicked on this thread because syag was on it.
I agree with Jackness.
November 21, 2012 12:41 am at 12:41 am in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952404popa_bar_abbaParticipantHe is the cat which Muhammed had sent previously. And he is mad!
He leaps from the carriage and jumps on Muhammed’s face, and claws him viciously. Then, he leaps on Henry’s face, and claws him too! Then leaps on the bein hazmanim machine and claws it until it is broken to bits.
Then he purrs softly at them, and says, “Muhammed, I have waited for this moment for 400 years.”
Muhamed says, “you mean for negative 400 years?”
The cat, whose name is Nancy, says, “yes, but I say 400 years because years are just as long in one direction as in the other, and it is harder for people and cats to conceptualize negative years.”
Henry is so shocked, that he chokes on his chewing gum, and falls into a coma, from which he may or may not ever awake.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m sorry, that sounds very hard.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantgotbeer:
My contention it would not matter to Amex if I give the money to a yeshiva or a liquor store.
I think your response is that Amex wants to stimulate the economy and that will only happen if I give the money to a liquor store.
You are incorrect for multiple reasons:
1. If I give it to a yeshiva, and they spend the money (as they will), it will stimulate the economy just as well. (and yes, they also patronize many small businesses, and money is fungible).
2. Amex does not care to stimulate the economy. They intend to incentivize stores to accept their card and for people to use their card, and to have good PR.
3. This promotion is not even almost large enough to have any effect on the economy. The stimulus bill was like 1 billion times bigger than this, and may not even have had any effect.
November 20, 2012 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952401popa_bar_abbaParticipantHenry: How do we know that this is an accurate shtetl?
Muhammed: I have gone back in time with my bein hazmanim machine and witnessed it myself.
Henry: There is no such thing as a bein hazmanim machine! There is only a bein hazmanim radio!
Muhammed: I invented it based on a similar technology. I use the radio waves to heat up the air which makes the molecules move quicker around me, which means that time passes more quickly around me, which means that I am giong back in time. To return, I heat up myself so that I am moving faster. Let’s try it out.
The two of them enter the machine, and push 1632. The machine whirs, and…
The land in a small village on a rainy night. They peer out from the bushes and see a horseman in dirty clothes moving at breakneck speed and holding a golden crown.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantSure, so we can add a third purpose: to get positive PR by looking like they are trying to help the economy.
And they get that PR even if I give my money to a yeshiva.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI don’t mean this in a bad way but the whole point of ‘Small Business Saturday’ is to give a boost to the economy.
That is simply false. The purpose of the promotion is to reward and incentivize stores that accept American Express, and to incentivize people to use their American Express card.
Schools accept American Express, so they are part of the group which is meant to be incentived, and we are part of the consumer group meant to be incentived.
Please take your mishigas and bury it in the East River.
Don’t they have enough Chinese Auctions and what not ?!?!?
What an outrageous and ignorant thing to say.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m a bit ambivalent about it.
My intuition is that it should be avoided if there is an equal alternative, but not if it seems necessary.
November 19, 2012 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952395popa_bar_abbaParticipantZaidy, was the head really talking? How can that be?
Yonaleh, zat is vat happens ven you let Pupoh into ze Shtory. Now let me continue.
November 19, 2012 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952393popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe fire grate burst into flames, lighting up the tunnel and lighting Vadim on fire. The travelers (there were two left, since Bodrick was still outside arguing with the head) leaped towards Vadim and beat him (pretending they were trying to put the fire out).
Meanwhile, Bodrick and the head were in a full shouting match.
Bodrick: Why did you sell me substandard beer?
Head: ajwio nmmaolile lkmkmoioillioli
Bodrick: That doesn’t change anything, he is MY son!
Head: jalief mamioe mioi
Bodrick: (in a lower voice) Oh, I understand now.
(continued)
November 19, 2012 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952391popa_bar_abbaParticipant…but were interrupted by the innkeeper’s head which began talking.
“Dkaj adjlk aiowl cjmial,” said the head.
The poritz’s men screamed and ran in terror down the tunnel since that was the closest opening.
(continued)
November 19, 2012 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm in reply to: Continuous story�let's see how far we get! #952390popa_bar_abbaParticipantBodrick, who had snuck up behind the innkeeper, swung a large battle ax and chopped off the innkeeper’s head.
He ran from the tunnel carrying the head aloft. “Here!”, he shouted to the people outside, “I have slain the innkeeper.”
The poritz’s men, who were waiting outside and had made the noises which had scared the travelers burst into loud guffaws. “Now, now,” they said…
(continued)
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWe are talking about mental health therapy? Physical therapy? Speech therapy? Eating therapy?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOomis: In our illustrious rabbonim’s communities, this is not done at all, so no kol koreh’s.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI know…Angel very closely, and anyone who challenges…is passuling themselves.
I see. So now you’ve passuled the RCA also. Nice.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantPosting lies makes you a liar.
That is the perhaps the stupidest thing anybody has ever said on the internet.
Does posting ties make you a tire?
Does posting flies make you a flyer?
Does posting lies make you a lyre?
Does posting dyes make you a dyer?
Sheesh. It’s pretty clear which seminary you went to.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI think she was probably talking about this one. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/new-seminary-by-popa
I know, because my wife said she would drum up support in school for it by talking about it mysteriously.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNah, I would get less if I included a picture. Girls are always turned away when they see how handsome I am, because they’re afraid other women will always be chasing me.
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