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Why do you fish salmon, but not cow beef?
“a passing mark on the LSAT”
yikes. I hope no one is actually attempting to glean information/advice from this thread.
Oooh, someone’s sensitive. I bet he didn’t pass a LSAT Test.
I won’t. Unless you link to hebrewbooks
I’m not using that heter. I’m using the mipnei sholom heter. Otherwise she’ll be mad at me for drinking so much beer.
Also see Bava Metzia 23a.
Also see sanhedrin 75c which I have convinced my wife says that it is a mitzva to eat meat and drink beer every night of the week.
You can lie for sholom. Like if the truth will make someone mad at you. Like if your wife wants to know why you are late for dinner and you were at the pub so you say you were at work.
I wonder if some of the posters in the CR are sheidim.
Joseph!!
I thought Cambridge was a college in England. Turns out it is also a city in the US.
My guess is they called the college in England after the city here, because the city here has MIT.
I saw them too. They were in the form of gas station attendants, with no beards.
Done! Just applied to Columbia. I’ll work hard, finish top 1%, then transfer to Fordham.
And why is wild salmon called wild, if it just sits there like a dead fish?
No, of course that would work. It is a brilliant plan. I think I’ll do it myself.
Benign? What you think?
PBA: So why would helping someone with their luggage be any different? (Now that I think back, I think I also helped a bunch of seminary girls pull their too-heavy luggage off the baggage claim thingy when we first landed too.)
Sam: I probably would if I thought they needed help. In a case like this, it is hard for me to imagine that an able bodied young girl really needs my help standing up, and, it is a lot more of a tznius concern when she is sprawled on the floor, and, most girls I know would rather their sprawling on the ground be ignored than all the attention right then.
I mentioned the part about the feeling of closeness, because I was bothered that some were seeing the question as only an issue of negiah. It isn’t only about negiah. It is still a situation by situation call, but there are real stakes.
How about like remember all the embarrassing stuff she’s done over the years that she wouldn’t want the whole world knowing about, and do all that.
Sam: Of course I would do the same thing there.
JF: I mean for marriage purposes.
Not very. I used to have one before I joined this site, but then I got rid of it, and don’t miss it at all.
And for the same reason we call people blockheads even though their heads aren’t made of blocks.
You mean like the connection of her being GRATEFUL to someone for helping her in a difficult circumstance, and the other party feeling good about themselves at having been ABLE to help???
Yes, that connection. Single yeshiva guys in Israel shouldn’t be making friends with single seminary girls unless there is tachlis involved.
And I’m willing to give up much more than having to carry a suitcase myself for that ideal.
Nonsense is the best kind of sense.
yes, that is absolutely correct.
The real ones are red. The ones you see in the store are just yellow onions with food coloring.
location location location
It isn’t just the negiah that is the issue, you know. It is also the connection it makes between people when one person helps another out.
I don’t think it should be done in such a situation unless it really is absolutely necessary.
You might fix it if it breaks.
No, not my point of view. I’m not asking you to acknowledge or understand my argument. Just the facts which are my premise.
I’m asking you to acknowledge and understand that the girls in my community would be much more embarrassed by the added attention of the boys coming over to help, than then politely ignoring her. Unless she was in real serious distress, which is highly unlikely in an airport with a couple suitcases.
And I happen to think that is a good thing.
You quote Kreina Digrasa (a sefer I am not familiar with) and MOaidm Uzmanim that is by R”oshe Sternbuch.Neither of these are original sources.
lol
If you aren’t familiar with the sefer, what do you know if it is an original source or not.
lol
Popa, we obviously know very different frum girls. Of course, they might be embarrassed – at FALLING down in front of others and being unable to stand, but they would welcome the assistance of ANYONE male or female, and the physical contact is very brief and for a tachlis. At the very least, the boys should have gone for help, and they could have ASKED her if she needed or wanted help. That would have shown they were not bulvanim.
No doubt we do know different frum girls. (I actually know both kinds, or rather, I know the kind you refer to, but I know of the kind I refer to.) And no doubt that the kind you refer to would be pleased to be offered help, and more pleased if she thought it was because she was pretty. (Which is the usual reason that men offer to help women do random stuff like reach high things in the supermarket or carry their suitcases, btw.)
But you should be able to understand that yeshiva guys are more familiar with the type of girls I refer to. Their sisters would be mortified if the group of guys has come over and offered to help.
Can you understand that please for me? Can you accept that please for me?
Everywhere, the 30 yr. old unmarried guy is called a ‘boy’ and it is not exclusive to our community, and I don’t understand what would be wrong with that.
I do not think that is true.
They don’t see why there is some kind of emphasis about this Averia over many others, including financial crimes, sex abuse, Chilull Shabbos and others. Why this dafka causes more extreme reaction than to other aveiros which are done.
The response to that is that it is very different from people who do any other aveira personally. Here, what they davka want is for societal recognition and participation in their aveirah. That is what marriage is, and is what the want. California already gave them all the legal effect of a marriage–just not the societal blessing, and that is what they were complaining about.
+1 on Dr. Sadowsky.
Oomis: Please. Most frum girls I know and have known would be much more embarrassed if the crowd of yeshiva guys did turn and look down at them lying on the floor and offer to help them up.
Yitay: I mean normative in the meaning it takes as opposed to positive.
Normative: How things should be.
Positive: How things are.
In this context, I meant that they think it should be that way, as opposed to being willing to do it for strategic reasons. That is, I’ve never heard anyone support gay marriage for the reason you asserted above–most of my frum friends who support it think I’m basically a bigot for not.
By the third or fourth date, if conversation is not coming more naturally to you, you are probably dating popa.
But there are a few institutions that have libertarian values and therefore care about preserving both religious rights and gay marriage. The ACLU is a prime example (and it’s funny, because most people think of the ACLU as supremely left-wing, but if you look at the cases they take, you’ll see it’s not so).
Yes, but whenever there is a conflict of those interests, they always pick choose the non-religious. Ex. Contraceptive mandate.
Oh! On the third date you should talk about other people. See those people over there? Do you think he likes her? See those people over there, isn’t he fat? See those people over there? No? You don’t? Are you blind? Are you stupid? Are you a dolty twit? Kidding, there are no people over there. What?
Then you sneak away while he’s confused.
Did someone say blood? http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-im-never-giving-blood-again-by-popa
Sam: Nice pshat there, I like it.
Yitay: Agreed.