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“1. Throw out your shabbos clocks 2. stop taking advantage of the heter of mechiros chametz 3. stop using eruvs”
Really poor examples, is that all you can come up with? and those really arent even parallel to what we are discussing here…
And yes I do think Yiddishkeit is supposed to challenge us, not necissarily a burden, but challenge us. How else do you expect to grow? If everything that is a little bit inconvenient you make easy where is the growth?
And the point of this post is thread is to what, start a loshon hara ramble about Jewish Singers?
I think that Jewish Music is great! the fact that in the year 2010 young kids are singing words of Tanach/Chumash/Davening to me is something to be very proud of.
I dont think anyone says you can WASH your hair thats A.
B. you MAY be able to wash body parts one at a time but your entire body all at once for sure not.
I’m surprised at all the usual zealots, when it comes to actual Halacha are all of a sudden so Meikil….
I saw in the Kitzer that it is not allowed, of course you can look for heterim if you want one…
YWN cracks me up…
2 things you have to realize is that:
1- Life goes on after High School, I know it seems like thats all that matters right now but you move on and you go to Seminary, College, Work… you make new friends and you have a whole life in front of you, with new friends and new opportunities.
2- When you are in High School everyone is trying to find out who they are, once you leave thats when you REALLY figure these things out. Girls who were your best friends then can totally change and girls who you thought you had nothing in common with can become your biggest support.
Just keep an open mind, its not the end of the world if you dont have a BEST friend, remember its only one year and then your on to bigger and better.
In my humble opinion, dont think its for any Jew to be burning Korans. We dont run this country, we are a minority and we are very likely to be next. So I think its better to keep a low profile and not be front and center in middle of every conflict.
I dont think that you can infuse it in your children if you dont have it yourself. You cant behave one way and want your children to behave another. If you are GENUINELY excited about performing mitzvos and Yom Tov it will trickle down into your children.
mybat – L.A. Shilos was amazing!
mdd – truer words have never been written on this site.
Mybat – No need to warn me about peer-pressure, I’m a bit of a non-conformist anyways 😉
I am a born and bred New Yorker and would give up close to anything to live out of town for many reasons, chief among them “judgmentalness” of In-Towners.
Mybat – I think that sounds beautiful, that you can transcend all the “barriers” that people themselves put up. BT/FFB/Ashkenaz/Sphardi…. Like I said before everyone has to do what works for them but excluding whole groups out of ignorance or because of a “stereo-type” seems inane to me.
If it is a mayo based dressing just use water.
That Sushi Spot on Nostrand off of K
I am an FFB who has dated (I am still single) a number of BTs. I actually have seen that my friends and other singles think that it’s weird/different that I do date/like BTs. I dont know if I would call it discrimination, I think that its more of a close mindedness and a mis-guidance. Obviously every person is different and you have to do what works for you. Over the few years that I have been dating what I have noticed is that a lot of times BTs say that they want an FFB (wether to feel like they are “fully integrated” or what not) but in the end many times they feel most comfortable with another BT. (yes, speaking from LOTS of experience here)
T-Fusion, Glatt-A-La-Carte, Fuji Hana.
Great Food. Great Service.
This is more like a warm moist cake….
1/2 cup margarine, softened
2 cups sugar
1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract
2 eggs
2 cups all-purpose flour
1-1/2 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon ground nutmeg (I leave this out, dont like nutmeg)
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
6 cups chopped peeled tart apples
In a large bowl, cream margarine, sugar until light and fluffy. Add eggs, one at a time, beating well after each addition. Beat in vanilla. Combine the flour, cinnamon, nutmeg (if using), salt and baking soda; gradually add to creamed mixture and mix well (batter will be stiff). Stir in apples until well combined.
Enjoy!
One 3 1/2-to-4-pound roasting chicken
Salt and freshly ground pepper to taste
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1 onion, peeled and cut into chunks
1 cup chicken broth
1 1/3 cups white wine
3 apples, cored and cut horizontally into 4 pieces
2 tablespoons sugar
Preheat the oven to 375 degrees.
Season the chicken with salt and freshly ground pepper to taste and 1/2 teaspoon of the cinnamon. Put in a roasting pan with the onion. Pour the chicken broth and wine over the chicken, and roast in the oven for 45 minutes.
After the chicken has been cooking for 45 minutes, surround it with the apples sprinkled with the remaining cinnamon and the sugar. Baste with the wine, and roast for about 45 more minutes, or until the apples are very soft and the chicken is cooked
(Never tried it but saw it in my Bon Appetite this Month 😉 )
Missme – I believe the name of the thread is tank tops OVER shells, wherein you wouldnt see the total form fittingness of the shell. Pray-tell, why if the a shell is fitted on ones arms is that not tznius? taking into account that the elbows are covered…
One common thread I keep noticing is that most things brought up on here are sensitivities and not halacha, and sensitivities with a question mark. And then all the readers get so heated talking in such emphatic (sp?) tones making it sound like halacha and worse. All I can say is, that if everyone is so makpid on the things that REALLY matter, that are truly halacha instead of getting so tzehitzed about the small things then yea, maybe moshiach will come.
And dont forget the Satan works like this too, making you focus on the little things so you should be distracted, so you shouldnt focus on the bigger more important picture at large.
(I doubt my post will be published, the moderator seems to block all my other posts)
Not a huge reader (esp of Jewish books) but Sun Inside Rain (I’m pretty sure thats what it was called, was very good.
mw13 – yea, I think I am going to ask. Plus, I am going to ask if its an issur d’oreisa. I dont mind being wrong…
MW13- That is a good point. But the thing is that there is a lot of leeway (sp?) in this scenerio and I dont think its such a black and white thing.
Helpful – Next time you meet R’ Reuvein ask him who made the shidduch.
Helpful – Well maybe his son was over on his father’s ruling but I doubt it so maybe you are misinterrpriting what R’ Moshe said.
And I’m not sure why I was edited.
A certain very respected Rosh Yeshiva from the LES, was FRIENDS with his wife before he married her!
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Shaking Hands – I am not a Rav (and I didnt ask one) but I think the obvious difrentiation would be that its not Derech Chiba, no? an easy out. Also, I am just way too lazy to go and explain for 45 minutes why I am not going to be shaking their hand, 2 seconds it’s done, and for the rest of the meeting they arent looking at you like you have horns on your head.
P.S. Don’t tell me they’ll respect you for it. I dont think they do.
MoMoMB – Thank you for that post! I was about to have a nervous breakdown and I’m not even married yet! If your Chosson-Class-Rebbi is still around I am definitely telling my future Chosson to go there! 😉
Mod – well I guess I’m a newby to these boards, and a quick learner.
Apashuyeyid – “Is it possible we are not setting up enough chairs for all the players?” In an analogy where the chairs are the boys how would you like to set up more chairs? Should parents have more kids and only boys starting at age 23? Am I missing something?
Clearly AZ has an agenda to promote and isnt open to hearing anyone else’s opinion.
There is always going to be a “problem” if its not the “age gap” someone will think of some thing else. Do you think Hash-m didnt think of all these issues? bottom line is you have to be honest with yourself and look for whats important. If the girl didnt go to BJJ, wasnt G.O., is a size 12 instead of a 6 – THOSE are the narishkeiten that are hindering shidduchim. The fact that people focus on the wrong thing, THATS what is wrong and thats what is holding up the works, and that Hash-m has no control over because that is people’s own inane bechira.
The bottom line is there is nothing you can do, after all you have done. So keeping with the analogy. After you run around, bruise ur hip and fall of the chair that someone pushes you off of, all you can do is sit on the side until the next game starts and wait till it happens all over again.
They key thing to remember is that while you are sitting on the side is not to sulk and be depressed its to daven because ultimately He is the one playing the music and stopping it.
(p.s. yes, I am single)
mbachur- because you cant know enough about someone’s insides after one date. Its usually a physical thing. People are too complex and you cant figure them out after 2.5 hours.
Unless you see after 1 date that ur hashkafos are radically diff there is no reason to say no, unless the guy/girl has a complete lack of middos.
I think tou are giving too much clout to the “yetzer hara” as if its an actual identity. All “it” is is you. Do I think that there is something wrong with mature boys and girls mingaling and talking with eachother? no. Do I think that our frum society has made it into such a big deal that now so many people just want to do it, and then bad thing end up coming out of it for no reason? 1,000%
The bottom line is people who want to get in trouble will get in trouble people who dont wont. Nothing just happens.
MW13- I think the beauty a lot of times gets clouded by sll the ridiculous “chumros”. What does shorts have to do with the beauty of Shabbos?
“A date is for tachlis, not “to have a good time”. “
I think youd be hard-pressed to find someone who goes on shidduch-dates for fun.
A tuna Beigel is a Chassidish guy who wears polo shirts with the top button buttoned. Is a big macher. Thinks hes all that. Will go to a baseball game and think that if he wears a Baseball Cap noone will realize that he is Jewish.
In my humble opinion I dont think all Jews “rank” the chashivus of other jews. I think its, without mentioning any particular group (Yeshivish), where it is, unfortunatly, the most prevelant.
I’d like to believe that the reason why the “Yeshivish Movement” was started was to unite all the Bnei Yeshiva, and I’m sure all original intentions were noble. However, at this point, I think if you dont conform, if you voice a slight objection/opinion, you don’t wear whats “accepted” you are then excluded from the “club” and deemed an outsider. Oh! better yet, your not even Yeshivish your an imposter, a “Harry”.
I think differences should be celebrated because there is noone that you cant learn from. If the Yeshivas and Bais Yaakovs are cranking out lifeless/thoughtless zombies, where is any original thought going to come from?
Chofetz Chaim – I’m not sure what your post proves. Sensativity/Chumra Tomato/Tomahto.
“Wolf- do you truly believe you’re a low life heretic?
Sometimes.”
Well now that we are getting all serious about it, that zaps the fun right out of it. And here I though you had a sense of humor…
“So please stop talking about yourself like that. You keep doing it.
It really bothers me btw.”
Ever heard a big Rav say that hes a “pashuta am haaretz” I would say its in the same vain.
And I doubt your losing any sleep over it. It’s not like you know the guy.
My problem with people making things into “strong chumros” so much so that the lay man (or kids) cant defrentiate them between a chumra and halacha is thats where I believe the Kids-At-Risk comes into play. I’m not trying to get off of this very important topic of shorts or anything.
But that was my point in my earlier post.
Here is where I start ranting about the problem I have with the “Yeshivish” world:
There is nothing wrong with boys wearing shorts! If it is hot outside go ahead and wear shorts (The question wasnt can you wear those ’70s basketball shorts, so I’m going to figure we are talking regular normal shorts here)
The “Yeshivish” world has spread its tenticles into every facet of everyones lives and its stifiling! Don’t force your Chumros onto everyone. Shorts is a sensitivity, no more no less. Same as colored shirts, colored pants, and any other rediculous thing the “yeshivish” world can come up with to make themselves a more exclusive “club”. Are you a bad person if you wear shorts? No. Does it mean you daven with any less kavana? No. Do you give any less tzadaka? No.
If the question had been is it tznius for boys to run around with their shirts off you MAY have an argument. But shorts…. Really?
Well, I think you can look at this two ways, 1- you can be appalled, sceam and yell and throw tantrums and be “horrified at what a low level klal yisroel has sunk to” OR 2- you can say, thank G-D people are still interested in listening to the jewish words! I mean, in an age where 1/3 of the Jewish population is intermarryin, I’m just glad people are still interested in listening to words of torah, tanach, tehillim, talmud etc… being sung. And if it takes a little more percussion or drums or bass to keep the younger generation interested, I really don’t think it’s the end of the world.