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nisht: Perhaps you don’t know that Carlebach did, otherwise how can you say that what Weinstein did was worse?
Regarding chesed and kiruv, there are examples I’ve heard of where a not frum person caused some people to become frum. Does doing that whitewash all the bad that person did?
Can someone also answer the question regarding whether saying l”h about a deceased person is muttar/assur or if it is halachicly different than saying l”h about a living person?
“What many contributing factors have changed?”
To name a few: age of chosson, age of kallah, the expectation that money shouldn’t play a role, childbirth mortality, arranged marriages (related to age).
Since 30 years ago… how much has the age of the Choson gone up? How is money more of a role today? How are arranged marriages different now from then?
Is it realistic to go back to how it was done 30 years ago? Is it a good idea to do so?
“The scene was different, but the boys definitely had the upper hand.”
They’ve had the upper hand since Har Sinai.
“Shlomo, it did exist 30 years ago.”
Then there should be thousands of more frum single 50-60 year old women than frum single 50-60 year old men. If that’s the case it should be obvious to everyone that there’s so many more thousands of unmarried middle aged frum women than men.
Is this really obvious to everyone?
“I don’t know if it existed 150 years ago, but many potentially contributing factors have changed since then.”
What many contributing factors have changed?
WM, are you around for some insight?
WolfishMusings: According to your understanding (as explained above), anyone could easily decide to kill someone else, for whatever reason, and always get away with it by simply doing it before he is warned against it. Assuming it is a one-shot deal and he is not a repeat offender. He could even do it in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses. And Beis Din will be powerless to punish him after the fact. Any rasha could realize this and decide to get away with premeditated murder (other than what he’ll face after 120.)
When the Sanhedrin was in power, if someone intentionally killed someone but there was no advance warning to him, how did Beis Din punish him?
Wouldn’t an issur that carries misas beis din indicate it is a more severe issur than one that does not carry that most severe penalty?
Benignuman: You’re of the opinion that you can drive your female neighbor or family friend, whether single or not, in the front passenger’s seat just as you would for a date?
Isn’t eishes ish a bigger issur than a nidda?
iacisrmma: How do you know your neighbors’ driveways are all legal? Or even which are and which aren’t?
I had one neighbor who had a driveway for many years until one day the city fined him for it and forced him to repave the curb cut. Another new neighbor recently bought a fully attached brownstone that never had a driveway, renovated the house and built a garage into the front of the home and made a curb cut. I seriously doubt it is legal.
Giving a female neighbor a ride is different than driving your date, as far as sitting in the front passenger seat is concerned?
Isn’t there a famous story of Reb Moshe telling a bochor that his Rebbetzin is taller than him, to encourage him to get engaged to a taller girl?
iacisrmma: Many NYC driveways are illegal driveways and it is completely legal for anyone to block it.
Cousins/Uncle/Niece are even more machmir than strangers due to Libo Gas Bo.
Yungerman: I believe that halachicly there’s reason to be machmir about giving an eishes ish a ride (whether you’re a bochor or a yungerman) even more than with a single girl.
How can you tell if a driveway is an illegal driveway?
What’s the difference (how can you tell) between a kapote and a bekeshe?
lebedik yankel – What was the position of Rav Shteinman zt’l that Rav Edelstein shlita has taken over?
Senator Orin Hatch, one of the Congressmen fighting for Rubashkin’s release, yesterday posted on his Twitter that Rubashkin’s release is “a Chanukah miracle”.
The President’s order commuting Rabbi Rubashkin’s sentence was definitely issued and even became publicly available on Zos Chanukah (in both Washington, where it was issued, and in New York, where R. Rubashkin was). I believe he was driven out of jail either before shkia or bein hashmosos.
It’s amazing that he was released within hours of the presidential commutation, on the very same day. Virtually always in the case of a pardon or commutation it takes at least days if not weeks for the prison system to process the release.
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RY23 – How is sitting and talking in a lounge a more problematic association with being a hotel guest than sitting in a hotel conference room for a business presentation, sitting in a Yeshiva dinner at a hotel ballroom, attending a Chasuna at a hotel or renting a hotel room for your family while traveling or for business?
Even German Jews had beards and long curly peyos. Many people think that is a Chasidishe things, but really until not too long ago Jewish boys and men having a beard, long peyos, wearing a long kapote and a shtreimal was universal across Jewish men. (At least in Europe. In the Levant the Jewish men had their own unique headcovering that differed from European Jews. But interestingly enough the Jews in Teiman – Yemen – also have the peyos, though they use another term to refer to it by.)
At the time these oppressive anti-religious laws were passed, Russia included Lithuania and Poland. In Western Europe the Jews started to stop dressing very ostensibly Jewish due to the increasing secularization wrought upon us by the haskala, Reform, and various secular forces such as communism, bundism, etc.
There’s no basis to assume that either conversions or attacks on women were more prevalent for Jews in either Spain, Germany, Persia, France, Iraq, Yemen or Morocco more than by or on Jews elsewhere.
In fact, Jews were despised and persecuted that there was little incentive, and much to lose, for a non-Jew to become Jewish. And as a historical reality there was relatively very little conversions to Judaism in the Middle Ages when Jews were being severely persecuted and converts to Judaism often faced execution at the hands of the gentiles for converting.
What is interesting is that several years ago scientists determined that 20% of modern Spain’s population descends from Spanish Jewry.
“hotel lobbies are not like conference rooms and ballrooms, which are rented out to large groups. They are generally intended for hotel guests to use as a common area.”
RY23 – If your objection to use of hotel lounges for dates is that the hotel wouldn’t approve of non-guests using it to sit and talk, you could ask the hotel if that’s acceptable. I’ve asked a few and all of them were perfectly fine with it. (Especially if you’re going to buy a soda or water from them while you’re sitting there.)
Jewish boys and men virtually all had beards until the time the Russian Czar, in his quest to secularize a Russia that until then (in the mid-1800s) had been a very religious country – in order to bring it closer to Western European norms, passed and enforced oppressive laws forbidding citizens (both Jewish and Orthodox Christians) from publicly being seen as openly religious.
This included forbidding men from having beards, women covering their hair, wearing long jackets (kapote), wearing religious hats (shtreimals), etc.
“Hotel lobbies are not an appropriate date and I don’t know why it is so widely accepted.”
RY23 – How is sitting down in a public lobby to talk any worse than having a conference in a hotel conference room or attending a Yeshiva dinner in a hotel ballroom?
Who said Ashkenaz might be a result of Geirim? Maybe Sephardim are a result of Geirim. Who said originally Yidden had Sephardic traits; perhaps originally Yidden had Ashkenazic traits.
Yidden were in Sephard from the time of the destruction of the first Beis HaMikdash. Whereas the Ashkenazim only came to Europe later after the destruction of the second Beis HaMikdash. So the Ashkenazim were in Eretz Yisroel together with most Yidden longer than the Sephardim, who were in galus much longer.
1) What evidence do you have how Jews looked before the exile and 2) what evidence do you have that either Sephardim, Ashkenazim or Mizrachim look differently or changed from that look?
Is the best trait the black skin that is found in Africa? We know that Chom was given a klula regarding these traits while Yofes and Shem were given a brocho regarding these traits.
I think there’s also confusion in this discussion between real Sephardim (who came from the Iberian peninsula) and Mizrachim (who mixed into the Sephardic communities when many Sephardim moved from Spain/Portugal to the Middle East/Arab and African countries.
The real Sephardim are as much European as the Ashkenazim. There’s no evidence to suggest that Sephardim accepted less Geirim than Ashkenazim accepted. Additionally, there’s nothing wrong with or anything to be embarrassed about having accepted Geirim, as Geirim are as Jewish as any Jew-by-descent. If a blonde-haired blue-eyed Ger from Germany had children with those attributes, it is no more or less shameful than if a black African from Somalia became a Ger or an Arab from Syria or Morocco became a Ger, and had children with similar physical traits as themselves.
Elmo, absolutely no one said that Ashkenazim aren’t from the MidEast. All Jews are originally from Eretz Yisroel, of course. That has nothing to do with the points made and no one said otherwise.
What was said, accurately, is that Jews from 3,500 years ago and Jews from 2,000 years ago were not darker skinned. No evidence has been offered, other then personal supposition based on nothing, that you could tell the difference between Jews in Eretz Yisroel 3,500 or 2,000 years ago from Jews today who came from Germany, Syria, Iran, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Russia or France.
The Jews in Eretz Yisroel 3,500 and 2,000 years ago, did not look like the non-Jews in Lebanon, Syria, Morocco, Eretz Mitzrayim, or Iraq.
So to compare Jews to the non-Jews today living in the Middle East has no meaning or value and does not demonstrate anything about the historical look or facial or skin features of Jews from thousands of years ago.
If the driver is getting a percentage then the driver doesn’t get any less.
Why is the driver getting a percentage? It would be much more cost effective to pay him an hourly rate.
At what age is it kinda late to wait to, to start toilet training a toddler?
People forge currencies, so I’m sure despite the security in the paper forging a Teudah isn’t rocket science.
Isn’t 25% a lot for drivers? If one standard meshulach is collecting $2-3k a week, the driver is getting $500-$750 a week from each meshulach he drives.
“Note that that Yefes, the progenitor of European races, may very well have been blonde, blue eyed and fair skinned, while Shem, our progenitor, possessed dark hair and eyes along with an olive complexion.”
Redleg: Your base assumptions about the complexities of Shem and Yefes are incorrect, have no basis in reality and are unsupported. Since your initial assumptions are wrong, the rest of your conclusion is similarly incorrect.
How is it better if they drive to work on Shabbos, eat in McDonald’s and dress immodestly but don’t call themselves Reform than if they do call themselves Reform?
apushtayid – do you daven in a Minyan Factory?
iacisrmma – five in a week isn’t 3-4 a day. Regarding calling to check the Teudah’s authenticity, do you call everytime someone presents a Teudah? Otherwise how will you know its authenticity each time you get one?
How would you know if the letter presented from the Baltimore Teudah is legitimate or a forgery?
Why would any town charge the poor for a verification service?
If you’re getting over a thousand meshulachim a year, I assume you’re getting 3 to 4 meshulachim come to you every day of the week (other than Shabbos and Yom Tov)?
“the bottom line is that originally the skin tone of Yidden was darker and not pale white as someone here quoted the Talmud.”
You keep repeating this but it isn’t correct. The Yidden’s skin color was not darker originally.
“sephardi is the original nusach of yisrael”
Not accurate.
“the origins of yidden are of sephardi/mizrachi countries.”
Not true either. Our origins are not from Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Persia, Yemen or Libya.
“So I guess the real question is how did ashkenaz nusach come about and was the sephardi mizrachi nusach really the original and does it trace back to those times?”
The Sephardi Nusach or havara is no more correct than the Ashkenazi Nusach or havara.
Isn’t it sad the two Beis HaMikdash’s stood for less than 1000 years, and now it’s been about 2000 years since they’re destroyed, and when it is rebuilt it’ll only be for at most a couple hundred years until the year 6000?
“What color was the tone of the skin of the Avos? Moshe Rabbeinu? Look in Rashi on the Chumash (Bereishis 12:12). Elimelech and his people were white (see Sifsei Chachomim Ibid)”
“the Talmud in Sotah (I think Rashi quotes it Parshas Naso) states regarding a Sotah who was innocent, that part of the reward is that her children will be “white”
We can, thus, rightfully conclude that our ancestors from Avrohom Avinu on were white skinned people?