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shnitz – telepathy
I once read: Some are so open minded that their brains fell out.
I made my own geder, I had all my fingers removed so that I would not give in to temptation to text, browse or surf.
What I am saying is that in the outside world (per my personal experiences as a health care person) it is NOT a given that rsuscitation is humanitarian. That is what I am saying. I agree with you 100%! But the view of hospitals etc does NOT agree. When my dad needed o- blood in his last days, the team asked us if we wouldn’t consider saving it for a young person who might need it more. Secular people all over are adamant about not wanting to be resuscitated late in their lives. They honestly believe that our push to revive people is selfish and torturous. And that comment about the ribs was from the ethics committee trying to push my dad to sign a DNR for my dying mother. It’s so prevalent I am surprised you are surprised (may you never bump into it out there!!!)
ICOT – I think WE would all have done differently, but I know that many (most?) of the secular world does not agree with us. I have listened to nurses complain at the torture that selfish children put their elderly parents through by not ‘letting them die peacefully’. Many individuals will tell you that they themselves would rather be DNR at that age, and that they would never make their parent “go through that” (meaning CPR). It is a moral judgement we are making as Torah Jews that is not a world view AT ALL in the medical community. I also don’t know that living in a home that does not resuscitate wouldn’t be like signing a DNR.
As an aside, I have heard doctors ask families why they insist on CPR when it will “probably leave them with broken ribs and a punctured lung”.
oh squeak, you stole my joke! 🙁
gamanit – you’re right, I guess I wasn’t thinking of that as CPR but you are probably right.
popa, the lady’s daughter is a nurse and she said she was happy with the care received. Outside of the frum world there aren’t as many people as you think who want their elderly parents resuscitated. Any nurse in any hospital would do the SAME exact thing for all the elderly DNR patients in their care, which, by the way, is many of them. People feel it is selfish and cruel to prolong the life of a frail nursing home patient. This is not my opinion but this is what I have experienced in todays health care world.
the news reported she was breathing weakly. You don’t do CPR on someone who is alive/breathing. (I was taught that by my CPR teacher every year) so I find the whole thing confusing.
MDG +1
Mazel Tov to EVERYONE!!!
lots, just not in your hometown
I’ll let him know.
yentingyenta – yitay just announced his engagement and I thought for a second it was you and I was gonna call your relatives. Woops! IY”H by you when the time is good!!
Yes, I can’t afford it.
MAZEL TOOOOOOV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
k’we have a hint?
Thank you for putting me down for trying to help. I knew why she made that comment and, like I said, I felt it could have been kinder. But I know you are a counselor who understands people with tremendous insight that many others don’t have, and people count on your insight to get them through tough times. That is why it is more uncomfortable for me to see you respond with anger, and why I thought you would be willing to understand what I said. I guess I hold you to a higher standard, in a way, than most people in regard to communication and support.
WIY – thanks for the lift!
aries, she misunderstood your post. I re-read it a bunch of times and was able to see what she thought you said. If you asked her, and gave her a chance to explain herself in a hopefully kinder tone, I think you would have understood that as well. Being angry and assuming the worst is never productive. You know how easy it is to misread things in posts, it happens all the time.
While you are correct that this person does NOT compare in ANY way to the girl who killed someone while texting, I disagree that she wasn’t highly negligent as it is a warning given over and over to teens. And how do you know how she drives today as a result?
saying Unfortunately, no one of us drives like that, especially not in NYC and any other city, also because if one did, everyone else honks. is ridiculous,
drives at twice the speed limit in a busy area, a terrible accident happens , is not something that might happen to a normal, decent person, whether jewish or not. is naive, except the fleeing part.
or maybe ebay
try raizel reit
caleefornia – that, with what Think first said, is what I was getting at. Nobody can tell you if he is right or not, but those questions may give you some clarity on how you are feeling.
Here is what I asked friends when they were in that situation- When you are with him, do you feel like you have other things to do? Are you disappointed when the date ends? Do you look forward to seeing him the next time? I can’t tell you what those answers mean, but maybe you would know.
I think Syag might have been responsible for that.
I feel so special 🙂
73 – If it’s worth anything I’m finding this whole thing to be a riot!
why thank you
how ’bout “MOD for life”
42 – do you moonlight as a SYAS moderator???
shnitzy – thanks much.
I don’t remember saying anything about you at all actually, just that I thought you were Moishy and then knew you weren’t. I only commented on a line in your profile which really should be deleted. I actually think you are both pithy and funny at times if you are looking for an opinion (that’s meant to be complimentary in case you are wondering)
Oh Moishy, a thousand pardons! He isn’t you at all but he wrote a line above that was pure deja’ vu from the days of the star-series trolls (WAT?) As soon as I read his occupation on his profile I realized just how wrong I was (talk about inappropriate . . .)
I am sorry we are missing out on your wit but I am thrilled to know you are doing other things! Sorry again.
that’s it shnitzy, come clean. You’re Moishy, aren’t you?
Don’t know if this is a “well known” Rabbi but Rabbi Dovid Kaplan (author of “Inspired” series) is a Rebbe at Ohr Sameach. He used to challenge secular Israelis to a game of basketball and tell them they had to eat a Shabbos meal by him if they lost. They would start off holding in their laughter, but they almost always lost.
cockatiels
gamanit – cute 🙂 Our rabbits won’t eat them. They are big fans of both cherry tomatoes and blueberries though. Our birds still turn down our veggie offers. We were told we could give them chametz free kitniyos on Pesach.
less chumras – at $25 a pound I guess that would have to be your choice 🙂
WOW – I’m grateful that I could put a smile on your face, and you made me laugh too. If I was in NY I don’t know if I would’ve extended the invitation.
I am so sad to hear how much damage these people are doing to your emunah but I hang on your words because I am going through something so similar right now. There is a divorce going on and many people who I loved so much and looked up to ( rabbonim and baalei tzedaka both) are willing to destroy two children in the name of rumors/motzei shem rah (money?). People who I thought for sure would be concerned only with truth are willing to condemn these kids based on what they assume is fact based on what they heard from involved parties.
You can support a friend without condemning his enemy and that is what I would have expected from them all. I would have expected them to stay unbiased. I am so disappointed and shattered to see how dishonest and petty some of these people actually are and how far they will go (one person wrote an “objective” letter to the court describing negative behavior he witnessed the father do. No mention that this man PAYS HIS RENT to the mother’s parents) My faith has been shattered, I no longer know who to trust and I can’t believe that this is what our religion has spun into. But as I told you, this isn’t religion, this is the yetzer hora trying to suck me in. Maybe if we grab on to each other we can still find that gravelly path Hashem laid for us.
mods – I am guessing my post isn’t clearing because it may be insulting? It was just a play on the words, not intended to have anything more to do with the poster’s personality than my subtitle does with mine.
how ’bout –
on the ball
but off my rocker
rabbits don’t eat carrots, they eat carrot tops. They eat all greens, apples with peels, tomatoes and cucumbers with peels. Just think of anything that would be on the ground within their reach.
Give the rabbit LOTS of veggies and some fruit but give it some matza too. I gave mine about 1/3 a sheet of machine a day.
It’s like scratching an itch!!
self-serving
Welcome to the “frum world” Write Or Wrong
OH how I hate when people think their daled amos is the frum world ARRRRGG.
WOW – I totally get your statement and have had those same thoughts in the recent months, but it’s time for you to stop subjecting yourself and family to this community of imaginary frumkeit. This is not how Jews behave and you deserve better. You deserve a community that supports you and your kids and doesn’t forget that there were two luchos. You are a wonderful parent and I wish you would buy the house down the block from us (but I would never encourage a move back to the States). There are places were you can be treated well, be a full fledged chareidi Jew and have good role models for your family living around you. Hugs to you til things improve, I wish I could make all your pain go away, and your son’s as well, but meanwhile just look the other way and remember, anyone who causes you pain is not on any derech that Hashem paved either.
I thought I had written an very nice post that deserved more than just a self serving grammar correction. It just reinforces the impression I sometimes have that everyone here likes to talk, but very few bother to listen.
Two points for me, I figured that out 😀
Keep talking though so I can see if I recognize your voice . . .
Forget CS, I couldn’t afford them. But the milk chocolate coating is definitely better than schmerlings BUT(!!!!) it isn’t as good as a cadbury carmel filled chocolate bar.
in the frum community
in some frum communities. I don’t have a single person in my circle who either does or could do that. Maybe you mean ‘in wealthy frum circles’ or ‘in tristate frum circles’.
Forgive me, I don’t mean to be picky but people have lots of negative perceptions about frumkeit that are not valid globally and when posted online I worry that the negativity will be reflected on Judaism itself.
If that’s all you got out of that post than I, too, am sorry.
😉
Honestly, I have learned over the years that one can communicate without grammar and even without language. It is all in the ‘hands’ of the listener. We develop our ability to hear and listen based on many things, primarily, how well we can work through the static. For you, static is poor grammar and it effects your ability to hear. For me, static is in the tone. Rude and haughty tones make it difficult for me to hear. The texting mode is also static for me and I just avoid it altogether. Others can handle the grammar mistakes and the tone, but their static is about how long the sentences are or how often the person says, “ya know?” etc.
Communication means giving over from one to another. It is put out there. The ability to receive/decipher it is in the power of the receiver. Whether the giver has the means or interest to resend lost messages is another thing to add to the pot, but as far as your original question is concerned, yes, one can communicate without grammar, but not all of us our prepared to received those messages.
Many people use impeccable grammar but still don’t communicate.
It’s interesting (tangential thought alert), I work with an Autistic boy whose language is very poor. Mostly quotes from videos and an occasional yes/no of his own. But he can complete reams of grammar sheets where he has to re-write sentences correctly, choose appropriate tenses, convert singular to plural based on context of the sentence. It is really amazing.