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“Pepsi is sweeter than Coke, which is why it wins taste tests, but that doesn’t mean it tastes better.”what does that mean?
IF Pepsi wins blind taste tests (ie people say they prefer the taste of it to coke when they don’t know which is which ) doesn’t that mean it tastes better?“Certain name brand medications seem to work better for me than generic.”
Many people say that. Though it doesn’t mean it is true. Just like many people (myself included) say they prefer the taste of Coke to Pepsi (though I don’t know of any study comparing efficacy of brand vs generic Tylenol)“But if they dont have a product that is actually better than the competition then they have nothing, its a false advantage. ”
Brand recognition isn’t a false advantage.
Many people insist they like coke better than Pepsi, although Pepsi does consistently better in blind taste tests.“Again if and when people are sure that generics are the same or just as good,”
That is a giant “if”
And who will tell them? Obviously not the generic since spending money on an advertising campaign would defeat the purpose.“Besides most people call it by the brand name which is much more popular than the actual drug/scientific name.”
EXACTLY
“That doesnt prove anything. ”It does. That is the very point I’m making. If you’ve managed to define your brand with the item to the point where it is used interchangeably it defines the brand. People who walk into a store will buy the brand they recognise.
“Popularity of name doesnt mean youll buy it if the generic or competition is just as good.”
It doesn’t mean I’ll buy it but many many will“I think generics can only come out 20 years after invention of the drug (google)”
that isnt quite right. After 20 years from when a atent is submitted the patent is expired and anybody can produce the drug. (note: this clock starts several years befoe the drug actually becomes available, since the patent is obviously submitted relatively early in the development process)
Though you are right. the 7 year refers to exclusivity in specific cases and isnt generalizable.“What do they do once generics come out if most/everyone only bought generics since it’s so much cheaper”
for any number of reasons. people think its better, name recognition. I (and many I know) refer to generic acetaminophen as “tylenol” much as many refer to any bandage as a “bandaid” Dominos sugar produces most of the “generic sugar” available in your grocery Yet many pay mor for the “brand name” sugar from the same plant that they insist tastes better.
“Again unless there are specific circumstances that brands are required,”
Again these exist, but are few and far between.“if people knew…”
Yes, but many dont” So how can it be that brand name drugs have pretty much no advantage over generics and don’t differ? Or do they?”
I lost you here. They do have an advantage. Isnt that the point of your thread?
Now I dont think anybody says alleve tastes better than naproxen. but it certianly has better name recognition. As mentioned if I want my wife to pick up acetaminophen I ask her “please pick up tylenol” she knows I mean generic. These companies like Coca cola spend years developing their “brand”. Many refer to any cola drink as a “coke”LC
” How is it that generics are so much cheaper than brand name medication?”
the generic doesnt have to pay for development” Are brand name really better than most generic?”
no.” How do brand name still able to charge so much when generics are like 1/4 of the price?”
Name recognition” Do some people buy brand name thinking its better than generics or safe/more effective?”
sure. it is a big planet. People do all sorts of things” If everyone trusted generics wouldnt brand names go out of business or forced to lower prices in order to compete? ”
no since the brand name has exclusve rights for the first 7 years.” So whats the real difference here?”
There usually isnt.
That said the target blood level achieved can sometimes be differtent. This usually doesnt matter but with some medications wit ha narrow thereputic index (i.e. too high level or too low a leve lis bad) then sticking to a known more predictable brand is sometimes necesary.
Furthermore, the inactive ingridents may vary thus a person can have a reaction to say atorvostatin(generic) but not lipitor (brand) or vice versa. Though this is rare“It seems to me that many people might get a brand name thinking its safer or more effective than generic. Is there any truth to that?”
Generally not and certainly not for ibuprofen or acetaminopheniacrisma
” I never realized why my child’s BG goes crazy when taking certain medications.”It seems doubtful for any small difference in the inactive ingredient to make glucose “go crazy”
Joseph
” You and I don’t and aren’t disagreeing it is prohibited for Ashkenazim,”
Then we arent disagreeing either.
polygamy is a practice prohibbited for Ashkenazim, whcih was not always the case.
I concede that I cant prove to you with a source that you would find “authoritative” that the reason for this change was due to “western sensibilities”ZD
“I’m not sure Polygamy was legal in Rabbenu Gershom’s time in christian countries”
It wasnt whcih some beleive is why R”G forbade it for Jews as well (though it wasnt widly practiced a t that time anyway)
I am fine with the other examplesTLIK
“Halacha never changed. Circumstances did. ”Please read the very first comment on this thread. (after the OP)
“This discussion is amusing”
sure, though its becasue when you skip comments (liek the first!) they becoem hard to follow
joseph
“that you most certainly do not have the actual text of the ban.”
It was rhetorical. I can’t provide the ban but even if I did you wouldnt consider that ” authoritative ” enough, thus I will not bother citing sources that give this as the reason (such as Avrhama Grossman’s work) since they too wont be authoritative.
Of course the Avnei Nezer E”H says the reason is to prevent avoidign the cherem on forcing a woman to take a get (if you can marry 2 women then that cherem is irrelevent) and one of the reason’s for that Cherem is to “level the playing field” between Men and Women since Gittin is strictly in the Man’s domain, to give the woman some power too. ( clearly stemming form Wester nsensibilities. ) For this reason Rav JB Soloveitchik wouldnt sign a heter meha Rabbanoim
(Yes Yes I know neither the Avnei Nezer or R’ Soloveitchik are authoritative)“It is a takana for Ashkenazim not to do it; it is not halacha. You cannot dismiss the differences between a halacha and a takana.”
I dont know what that means.
It is Assur for Ashkenazim to eat rice on PEsach. Yes it is muttar for sefardim, yes it isnt as strict as Chametz, Yes it is Minhag and not deoraysa.None of this changes the bottom line that Although halacha once allowed All to eat rice on PEsach that no longer is true. (though not due to western sesnibilites thus it isnt related to the OP)
Similarly while it once was allowed to have more than one wife it no longer is.
Again, Yes not for sefardim, yes it is a cherem and not deorysa. so waht? the bottom line is halacha once allowed it and no longer does.The fact that the cherem can be overturned is immaterial. IF we had a sanhedrin that was greater than previous doros there are lots of takanos they could theoreticly overturn. That in no way makes them less binding until they get overturned.
Joseph
1. I know my customers I can supply the actual text of the ban saying it and it wouldn’t be authoritative enough if it didn’t fit with what you want to be true. (We all know of your strange obsession with polygamy)
2. I don’t understand what you are saying. At one point hakacha allowed two wives. Then it didn’t. Whether you call it halacha/minhag/geder/gezeira isn’t reallyrelevent.
If in fact it was done to suit “western sensitivites” (for which I do have sources but I will have to find them, and as I said I don’t expect you to like them), it certainly is an example of the subject at hand.
I am not saying it is EXACTLY the same., I’m not sure how you made that mistake.“Are there any circumstances where western sensibilites might change a halacha”
Certainly Though with DY’s caveat “It depends what you mean by “change the halacha”.”
to add to his List
showering on yom tov is likely shava lechoil nefesh today and possibly allowed (though gezeiros habalanimis a seperate issue :
on the other hand many say smoking is no longer shava lehol nefesh and is thus assur on Y”TRabbeinu Gershom’s cherem was liekly done due to “western sensibilities” arguably “changing halacha”
Mamalle
“but now we struggle with child bearing and raising our kids, we do it consciously and with self sacrifice and at the very least it shouldn’t be denigrated.”
The problem (in their view) is that it isnt done with just “self sacrifice” it isi alos done at the expense of the tax payer. How many children would they have if not for Section 8, SNAP etc (I’m not asking, they are).
If they had 10 children and didnt have 70% living in poverty, if it was in fact done with SELF sacrifice, then I doubt there would be much of an article,Josehp
” Excellent point. I would go further in pointing out that goyim don’t know the difference between Ulta Orthodox and Modern Orthodox.”you too make an excellent point. Thus you cannot blame the MO who protest/complain about those who may practice a lifestyle they view as a chilul Hashem and against the Torah. You can no longer argue that it is none of their buisness and it doesnt affect them.
(I dont mean “you” specifically I dont recall if you specifically made this argument, but many have, I’m using “you” collectively )“Now the fire has since been ruled accidental (started from cigarette butts on the wooden deck) ”
Soooooo…. NOT accidental
I didnt read the article and am not familiar with the story. But a fire starting from “cigarette butts on the wooden deck” is called negligence in my book not accidental.
“was hitler ym’s a “”shin-daled””?”
Of course! everybody knows that. that’s why he never took of his boots in order to hide his chicken feet.
I love knocking chassidim as much as the next guy. But cmon the taaneh has to make sense.
“when there are those dying of hunger is clearly unfair, ”
Who are you talking about? Who is dying of Hunger?“juxtaposition with pleas for tzedakah by mosdos associated with the same chassidus”
When has belz or bobov come to you with pleas for tzedakah?“What i am now writing is very controversial and not so accepted in our comunity.”
Its not controversial at all.
“Who asked the Chosson or kallah in Belz or Bobov or any other chassidus when they making chassuna if they like to have such a big Wedding when they stand on top on the Roof and thousands of people watching them.”
Gimpel Honigkvetcher is in charge of asking
“Just a thought. I dont want to hurt nobody. just thinking a little out of the box.”
I missed the out of the box part. All this has been said before.You say “DONT SELL IT AS CHASSIDUS.”
An aspect of many chassidus is viewing the Rebbe as a “melech ” complete with the pomp and circumstance that surronds this. The pomp surronding a meelch is ver ymuch a part of our mesora. True it is hard for many of us to relate to. But this is very much part pf many chassidus, most notably Rizhin and its descendants but many others (though not all).
Thus a Rebbe’s family wedding is very much a royal wedding. (To his followers). As you may know a royal wedding is full of pomp and circumstance.
They arent forcing you to pay, they arent forcing you to come. DY might be on to something“terms of a get might not be relied upon”
while a Get can be given with “terms” attached i.e. al tnai. I dont think this is done because of the obvious takalah it can lead to
“I once read an article by someone who recalled that her German professor reprimanded her for her Yiddishisms.”
Mazel Tov. Reading is good for you. keep it up!
“it does not mean “state” but is similar to the Hebrew word עם. ”
Correct, or as I said earlier “By nation he means people not the governement”“This is contrary to fascism where control (although not nominal ownership) is in the hands of the state. ”
Exactly! ie unlike what you said “Ubi, that sounds like fascism. ”Glad thats cleared. have a wonderful Shabos & Yom Tov
IITFT
ThanksHealth
“That’s exactly what I’m saying! That those liberal jews – i.e. Sanders & those newspapers owned by Jews, are the Antisemitic Liberals.
so why communism? If the benchmark for your comparison between “Communism … [and] B. Sanders, the NYT & the Daily News” is their anti-semitism. wouldnt nazism be a better example?
Avi
“are you a commentator on Engels? ”
nope but luckily my parents had the foresight to raise me speaking yiddish. One of the many plusses is I feel comfortable readigng German (though not speaking)
The quote is from Engels’ Principles of communism or in German Grundsätze des Kommunismus“Endlich, wenn alles Kapital, alle Produktion und aller Austausch in den Händen der Nation”
This is the final step after he outlines the steps that he envisions. In contrast in the EARLIER stage “alle Industrie, allen Transport, allen Austausch in den Händen des Staates zu konzentrieren.”
“Marx said that the state will wither away.”
Yes and the two of them coauthored the communist manifesto whci hwas after Engels’ Principles of communism“Ubi, that sounds like fascism”
Well it isnt.
It is a direct quote from Friedricjh Engels the co-author of the communist manifesto. In other words the father of communism (or cofather with Marx). ( By nation he means people not the governement)Healt
“You left out why I was comparing the two.”
I have no idea what comparison you are making without you telling us there is no way to know. IF your comparison is the last 3 letters of the word then yes they are exactly the same.I dont understand the rest of your post.
You seem to be saying that Communism is antisemitic. Though you provide views of hitler and churchill that communism is in fact Jewish (and its opponents antisemitic?)GH
” Instead, it was turned into a political event designed to play to the right wing base of both Trump and Bibi. ”I’m not sure why you say “instead” that was the whole point of the move. Trump didnt do it out of love for Jews it was an easy way to score points with a big chunk of his base.
Not that we shouldnt be thankful, as it was soemthing many of us wanted too.“There are many American evangelical leaders who also are big supporters of EY, Trump supporters but also don’t denigrate yidden and every other religious belief system other than their own. Enough said.”
That isnt quite true, they just arent as vocal. They believe that once all Jews are in ISrael the battle of Armeggeddon will occur and 2/3 will get killed and 1/3 embrace their messiah who will save us all.this isnt news, they are usually honest about this belief.
The debate is, whether to work with them and accept their support in the interim. I’m persoanlly for it, we can take an ysupport we can get and we will worry about Osa haish when he returns.*(* I’m being facetious I dont beleive he is returning)
Why wait to the end?
Pick her up in a van and tell her you hope to fill it with kinderlachLaurel
No
Communism is “when all capital, all production, all exchange have been brought together in the hands of the nation” (According to Engels)Neither Bernie Sanders, the NYT nor the Daily news advocates for that
“Sammy, would you let your kids learn the Pythagorean theorem? That came straight from the head of a pagan”
I cant believe the mods let that through. Even mentioning such a name can have e profound effects on a neshoma. Studying the Pythagorex theorem is worse than a cheeseburger.
Try studying it and davening right after and see where your head is during davening. I’ll bet you it will put your head is not good places.
GH
A few points.
1) I assume you are referring to the “prayer service” that took place at yankee stadium on 9/23/01. That was clearly different than thsi event which was an embasssy opening .
2) BH there are many yidden with varying opinions just because people get broigas. Doesnt mean they are right. I’m sure some will criticise these Rabbanoim too. Thats ok there is room for machlokes (as long as its leshem shomayim of course)
3) You say “.several big rabbonim” particiated in that event (though I believe you are mistaken) clearly they (if they exist) held that event was ok too.
4) In your OP you asked “Was anyone bothered” Yes I was bothered (though I do not recall anyone mentioning the actual name, just “messiah” perhaps I wasnt listening closely, and it might not be a big distinction) But being bothered doesn’t make it assur“Is the fact that the event was “political” rather than “religious” in nature and not held in a church make it OK??”
Yes.
Yitzchokm
“Would you allow your child to eat a cheeseburger?”
So, im sorry tat you havent learnt this yet, but a cheeseburger is not “within halachic boundaries” its troubling that you don’t know that.
Of course if said cheeseburger WAS “within halachic boundries” (eg the cheese and/or meat was pareve) then the coparison works, and is actuallly a really good one.“Of course not. Non-jewish music is detrimental to the soul, ”
does this include wheels on the bus?Sure
Because people are willing to pay for it.
No.
Google time zonesThe big question is, who’s right?
without question the Rosh.
And what should I do?
Leave it to her to decide. I assume she is capable of making this decision, as she is graduating seminary.
Her choices are pretty straight forward:
1) accept the honor and get a hold of a spmehow (as others pointed out, it isnt a big deal)
2) decline the honorIf an avoda Zara had a practice similar to our Saair Laazazel (lehavdil obviosuly). IS that mangled corpse of a goat assur?
I listened.
Most of his podcasts follow that format“Let’s assume we all became shadchanim & managed to marry of every last frum boy aged 22-39 in the US. How many girls would be left single? Many hundreds if not thousands.”
I do not think that is true, and you have no data to support it. You claim to see that, but I see the opposite .
At any rate though wouldnt it be wonderful if “every last frum boy aged 22-39 in the US. ” was married. Lets work towards that and worry any possible remaining girls later“How does Redding a shiddach help the situation?”
As a big rebbe once said the biggest segula to get married is to date. If more girls get dates then more girls will get married) (or at the least progress to step 5 in the outline I layed out earlier)“f we get the girls in the market engaged now before the next 1000 girls enter the market they will have less candidates to compete with.”
Its not a closed system. Girls and boys are constatly entering “the market”“What we see all around us is not a valid study”
Especially since others like myself see the opposite.
“More girls than boys still theoretically allows each girl to go out on equal dates.”
Why only theoretically?
“There won’t be enough boys for the girls to marry regardless if they all got a date”
Perhaps. Though this isn’t the problem we are currently facing. (As you identified) take it one step at a time“How is the shidduch crisis widely described, ” ”
The shidduch crises is widely described as many single girls wating and hoping for a date (ie the back log occurs at step 4 that I laid out,) you sort of agreed and said 4-10, (ok so lets go in order 4 is the first step where the problem occurs ) The OP said the same “has a long list of girls 19-24 to go out with. Of course the youngest, more chashuv, beautiful, wealthy, etc. girls move to the top of the list”
As explained above the problem is not that there are not enough boys. (100 boys can easily date 110 girls) . Thus efforts to even the playing field by adding more boys that wont date the girls who arent getting dates is a distractor at best
“and how does it differ from reality?”
It doesnt.” but hasn’t the guts to come out and say it.”
Wow that was brave of you
Though sorry to burst your bubble it was said in literally the first comment (after the op) on this threadDY
I’ll grant that an unequal number might be part of the problem.
It doesnt exaplian the Shidduch crises” as it is widly described and as Haimy described it
he says “the problem starts when a boy lands in Lakewood & immediately (in many cases) has a long list of girls 19-24 to go out with. Of course the youngest, more chashuv, beautiful, wealthy, etc. girls move to the top of the list. … Meanwhile, the average excellent girls sit waiting for a date& growing older. Repeat this over & over & you have a crisis.”I agree. Though this has nothing (ok little) to do with age gaps
“If the market was even, then boys wouldn’t have long lists of girls to reject & grow older.”
I’ not sure why you have that mistaken assumption.
If there are 100 boys and 100 girls.
The way our dating is set up the shadchan callls with girls names.
He starts collecting them (since he isnt dating yet, everybody has a list, he needs time to research etc etc)
Now all 100 boys have lists with 100 girls and they start doing heir research. there are an equal number of boys and girls yet many listsSo far there is no crises. The existence of lists has nothing to do with any Age gap TM and certianly nothing to do with girls over 25.
As soon as a young man starts “the parsha” wihin days (often even before he starts) he already has his list. PArtly due to the rigidity of the above system.You correctly point out “Meanwhile, the average excellent girls sit waiting for a date”
Exactly right, The holdup is occuring between step 3-4 above. The boys have ists and the girls are waiting and davening to be chosen for a date.
this however has little (if not nothing) to do with the age gap tm. The age gap explains why girls arent getting married . IF 100 boys try to marry 110 girls 10 will be left without a partner. But as you correctly point out it isnt getting that far.
Dating (unlike marriage) is not done 1:1 guys date more than one girl before they marry. assume our 100 guys go out with an average of 3 girls each before they marry. That is 300 girls that can be dated. That means each of the 110 girsl should have an average of 2.7 guys to go out with. As you correctly point out that is not happening.
The Age gap tm Does not explain why this isnt hapening (though it may be a samll factor, and POSSIBLY) might become a bigger factor if the dating field is made more even.The real problem is that we have taken the downsides of the chasdish system (the amount of energy/esiek/research etc that goes into getting a couple to just meet !) combined it with the downside of the Modern system (endless dating that may or may not go anywhere) and we wonder why combining the bad parts of all sytems doesnt lead to a good system.
As you correctly end off “I think this basically explains what’s going on.”
you are right! though note it has nothing to do with the Age gap tm. It is as the shadchan you spoke to points out, boys reject girls too much and wont go out.Haimy
“Where are all those unmarried boys?”
All over“No shortage of boys? ”
no“Why are girls marrying divorced men with children?”
Lots of reasons,” Why is there no organization like Nassi for the single boys?”
Maybe THATS why there is a problem!How can average boys ask for full support if there wasn’t a market imbalance?”
Its a free country they can do what they want. Of course they then get helped by (well meaning?) organizations that spread fear that if girls dont cough up money they wont get married
Please provide a rational explanation that doesn’t include the age gap at the core of this problem.
Gladly!though to help you through it first answer my above questions as to where you think the problem is occurring. and if the Age gap TM can be an explanation (whether at all or at the core) of the problem
Haimy
All of DY’s explanations are correct
As is Syag’s.
I know of more single boys han girls. any one person’s list isnt really evidence. Particularly when that list is skewed like Freddy’s. PArt of his problem is there are a lot more girsl > 25 who want a long term learner than there are long term learners > 25 (this is similar to DY’s #2) Its easy to want a long term learner its harder to be one.My question for you is the following
Datign in y community is relatively rigid and involves the following steps:1) Shadchan proposes girls name to boy
2) Name goes on his list
3) Eventually boy gets to the name and does research (Ie mother does)
4) the boy agrees to go out
5) The girl is told of the boy
6) she (ie her mother) does research
7) girls agrees to go out
8) they go out
9) they go out some more
10 they get engagedMy question for you is where is the “backlog” of 1000’s shidduch crises girsl occurring ?
Are boys not hearing of them? (Ie step 1) Are boys not agreeing to go out with them (before research? (3) after research? (4) etc) are the girls not willing to go out? (7) After dating are they not getting engaged (10)In what stage are these “1000’s of older girls” getting stuck?
“At the time that he was born, the law was that everyone had to have an American name”
Wow the stories people come up with. Just wow
“It’s not jealousy, it’s me being judgmental that nebach so many yidden haven’t got a hashkafic clue.”
It sure sounds like jealousy to me