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CTRebbe
“everyone holds grafted is pasul. ”
This isnt completely true. Although certainly most hold that way. and even if it is passul, according to many (Taz for example) it would be a pesul of chaser and only be a problem the first day (and perhaps second in chutz laaretz)
Polsih Chassdim (such as Ger) are not too worried about murkav as there is a Teshuva from the sochatchover (the Avnei Nezer ) allwoing it (I dont recall if he allows it lechatchila or only bedieved/beshas hadchak)Richard
Another great reason.
Or could be on these semi-Yomtovim in which the fact that they are a yom tov is hiden since we do melacha, we hide the meat in dough.I dint say my reason was the best odr the “Real reason” just my favorite.
NC
“I doubt that’s a thing for Sherry Whisky or whatever.”Of course it is.
for an excellent review Search for “Sherry Casks A Halachc perspective”
while the author comes out that it is assur he has have some tzaddim to be meikel and does note that some poskim are meikelThey are delicious!
though feel free to attach your own significance
Here is My favorite reason:
The passuk says
אִם־יִֽהְי֨וּ חֲטָאֵיכֶ֤ם כַּשָּׁנִים֙ כַּשֶּׁ֣לֶג יַלְבִּ֔ינוּ אִם־יַאְדִּ֥ימוּ כַתּוֹלָ֖ע כַּצֶּ֥מֶר יִהְיֽוּ׃
“ Be your sins like crimson, They can turn snow-white; Be they red as dyed wool, They can become like fleece.”The red meat is covered up by the white dough. Much as we hope all our aveiros shall be.
May The Ribono shel olam be moichel our aveiros in keeping with Yeshaya’s nevua and in the zechus of our keeping the Mitzvos Hayom including eating in general and including minhaggim like the eating of the helige kreppel may all of Klal Yisroel have a Gemar Chasima Tova
Gaon
“Rav Moshe agrees that according to many poskim (Chasam Sofer, Pri Chadash) it is still considered Chalav Akum”this isnt correct. The Pri chadash holds that if we know that the milk is Kosher (for example only cows are around) there is no reason for a Jew to observe the milking and there is no issur or Chalav Akum. The vast majority of Poskim (including the chasam Sofer) do not hold this way and require a Jew to observe the milking.
R’ Mohse notes that we do not hold like te above mentioned Pri Chadash, and yet the government watching is as if we are watching and even according to the vast majority who require a Jew to watch in all cases, the government is ok.Of course others argue on R’ Moshe which would make the milk Chalav Akum ie treif.
In summary, regaridng milk in the US (what R’ Moshe calls “Chalav Hacompanies”
Acc PRi Chadash – Mutar the gezeira of Chalav akum doesnt apply. (This isnt accepted lehalacha)
Acc R’ Moshe – (Acccording to everybody other than Pri Chadash) Mutar – It is considered Chalav Yisroel (though bal nefesh yachmir)
Acc to those who argue on R’ Moshe – Assur it is Chaluv Akum ie treifYitzcokm
“When people were okay with dilapidated mikvahs”I have never been to a non-dilapadated mikva. I’m not doubting that they exist but that isnt the scenario’s ive encountered. I dont understand how it can cost a dollar to clean a towel. And at any rate I bring my own towel. (Perhaps mikvas can stop offering towels as a way to save money if it is so expensive?.)
APY
“Of course it is. ..”
Then it is. That is what I said.DY
“That would be a terrible business model.”
Unless there was a non-economic artificial factor driving people to go to the Mikva that day, in which case it is an excellent business modelgot it Joseph Thanks
So if there was a mikva(not shul) that was well funded, and Erev Yom Kippur they decide t otake advantage and raise the price over that which was required for upkeep, you would be opposed to that?
Yitzchokm
Thanks for your explanation of Joseph. Certainly a valid point
However “Try getting into a private swimming pool. Let me know what that cost you.” Thats just it. I think it rubs people the wrong way when a mikva (Makom Kadosh) operates like a “private swimming pool” (capitalistic endeavor.) A mikvah should be made available to the tzibbur at cost (including salary for the people running it, that is part of the cost) It should not work like a private swimming pool, where they are trying to make a quick buck on days when people want to be mekayem a possible mitzvah.
Again, if the cost of operating all year when the mikva may not be well used, is defrayed by the increased revenue from Erev Yom kippur, then that is part of the cost.Of course others believe hiding the negative under the rug is a chilul Hashem. And honest appraisal of our (few) faults is in fact a good thing
Joseph
Your last line threw me off “They are a Makom Kodesh not a capitalistic enterprise.”
Isnt that a reason NOT to price gouge?“if a seat belongs to someone, shouldn’t it be labeled?”
not necessarily. My car isnt labeled. You should still assume it is someone’s
“And if it’s not, how can you expect someone to know?”
Ask. If unsure how I put a direct phrase in quotes above. It is only 5 words long, really not hard to remember“And if he doesn’t know and is sitting there, isn’t it assur to interrupt him in the middle of davening no matter how politely it’s done?”
No. There is no such issur (depending where in daveing he is holdig though even in birchas krias shema Im not sure what the issur would be, though it isnt nice, and birchas krias shema is waaaay to late to ask people to move in my opinionJoseph
“Let’s face it, those people who kick guests out of their seat, by and large generally do not help the poor guest find another seat.”joseph I agree. Though Im not sure they HAVE to, of course it is nice to, and there is amitzvah to be nice.
That being said, I can see people disagreeing on this point.“but for an actual first-language Yiddish speaker it would be quite odd to spell it in a way that it too similar to “nohr/nur” (“only”) ”
Ive been trying to think of an example here is one: what does פאר mean?
Without context (or sticking in a nekuda) you dont know. Here are two contexts to help:איך פאר אהיים (travel)
איך מיז זיין אהיים פאר די זמן (before)(of course the word זמן is technically Hebrew but like the word שבת it doesnt contain any yiddish vowels so it is left alone)
I’m not sure if I did your experiment wrong “זיי נישט קיין נאר” yielded 214 results while “זיי נישט קיין נער” yielded 154 results. that makes the former 40 % more common. Im not sure I would term that a ” similar number” let alone a “very similar number of results,”
Again though, even if they were equally used, DY’s spelling is still correct.
ASH
” Very much with question…”
You arent realy Questioning nor even disagreeing with my point. My “without question” was in reference to this “Are you saying that the Yiddish and Hebrew word mean the same thing but are spelled different”
You agree that at the least the word נאר is yiddish as “they have a very similar number of results, and many from heimish websites/publications for both.”
Of course נאר isnt a Hebrew word thus this is, as I said, “without question” a “Yiddish and Hebrew word mean the same thing but are spelled different”
Unless you are arguing that the word נאר does NOT mean fool, which you very much imply isnt the case (as you say ” because many words are simply written in Hebrew.” Yes if you write the word “in Hebrew” the word is נער, no argument there.The only question is whether the Hebrew word נער is ALSO a Yiddish word. This point is more semantics, since if we ignore YIVO (not WIVO) Yiddish evolves it is possible that now the Hebrew word נער is considered Yiddish much like coup which is clearly French is now an English word. However you said “נער in the first version is clearly the Arameic word (for fool, the line means “on’t be fool”) and so would be written with an ayin” which is clearly not correct. IF you had written “so COULD be written with an ayin” I concede that it can.
for what it is worth if you Google translate Fool” into yiddish you get נאר.
(your interesting tidbit abut Yiddish names is only tangentially related, we arent discussing differences among different dialects of Yiddish rather Yiddish vs. Hebrew)
“Are you saying that the Yiddish and Hebrew word mean the same thing but are spelled differently?”
without question.
This comes up a lot with last names where the origin is yiddish. For example the name Goldberger. In Yiddish it is quite lengthy גאלדבערגער with the א…ע..ע serving as vowels, however in Hebrew the vowels are nekudos though often omitted/assumed thus an Israeli might spell his name גלדברגר. Its the same name, pronounced the same one is spelled in yiddish the other in Hebrew.
Thus the word נער pronounced Nar is not a yiddish word. There is a yiddish word that means the same thing and is pronounced the same way, and stems from that word. To get the word pronunced Nar in Yiddish it is spelled נאר.
OTher than names I cant think of any other such example at the moment, though Im sure they are out there.As for your last question the correct spelling is בײנאכט. different locales pronounce that differently as Baynacht Bynacht so the spelling may have shifted to באנאכט. You have to keep in mind most Yiddish speakers dont really care what YIVO has to say. so there isnt really a formal body governing the “correct” spelling of words. Im sure you will find the word fool spelled נער in some places though it isnt technically the correct yidish spelling. Furthermore there is generally no formal yiddish grammar class that most current speakers study. I did have a basic spelling book/class in the second grade but after that we just learnt by rote and “what sounded right” based on what you heard
To answer your question Kiddushin 2b:
שדרכו של איש לחזר על אשה ואין דרכה של אשה לחזר על אישAs to how to save money, you indicate some dates that didnt cost anything, od more of those. Certainly over the next few weeks while the weather is still warm there are plenty free nice parks, Hi line, brooklyn bridge etc.
Lounge as yo uindicate isnt neccesariy expensive you did it for 9.52 you can bring along a gameDating isnt free, and certainly can be expensive. Best of luck as you continue your search
Did you have an upsherin? What did your parents do for yours? Can you ask them?
If you are a Slnimer why not do what they do?lightbright
“Are people …”the answer to any question that begins Are people… IS almost always yes. There are over 7 billion people on Earth. soem of them do all sorts of strange things.
As to why people might only use koshe r shampoo , how many people there are etc these are questions that can be answered
Ash
You do not recall correctly DY is right. The spelling in yiddish for the word fool is נאר.
The word נער in Yiddish is pronounced Ner since as you correctly point out ayin makes a short e sound.
Words Like שבת and נר (candle) are usualy spelled the same way since they dont have vowels (in yiddish as you know the letters Aleph, Ayin, Vav … are the vowels, there are no nekudos) so there is no confusion as to how שבת is pronounced you just memorize the vowels. In yiddish the word נער is pronounced Ner it has a vowel. If you want to write Fool ie Nar the correct spelling in Yiddish is נאר it is ALSO the correct spelling for the word Nur as in only.Of course if you incorporate a Hebrw/Aramic word for fool נער it isnt wrong, it just isnt yiddish (Then again the word נר isnt Yiddish either a candle is ליכט)
CA
“Nowhere did I say that first quote I don’t even know where you got that from ”
It sure looks like you said it 9/24/17 8:19 PM
“No one says you u have to love our president. What I am saying is you have to love our COUNTRY ”
Again yes you did say, you wonder why liberals are still here ” if they hate our
president with a passion”
And secondly I’m not sure why a person has to love their country to live there. Is this law written somewhere? Does it apply to all countries? Can a Neturie Kartanik live in Israel?“Also your part parroting everyone else of “first amendment rights””
I dont mind parroting Jefferson. that isnt really an insult
“doesn’t work in a restaurant btw where a same gender couple wants a cake and ”
Why doesnt it work there? Sure some might say it doesn’t but that doesn’t mean they are right. Scalia (who I imagine you are a fan of, feel free to correct me if I am wrong) was a staunch defender of the right to burn a flag. I imagine you feel he was wrong, that it no way makes you wrong.
“Someone else has a few screws loose”
Oh there are lots and lots of of people. look how many millions still support The Donald“and I’ll give you a guess who (hint : it’s not me)”
No hint necessary, I know it isnt you. You are just a bit misguided as to when the first amendment applies, For whatever reaosn you think it doesnt apply to football players. and for whatever reason you feel if people say things you dont like or dont like their President and/or country they should lose said rights
(Though you did also forget what you wrote earlier, but hey it happens, I assume you had a long day)CA
“What I wonder is why they are still here if they hate our president with a passion”wonder no more!
I am settled here my family job etc are all here. Why would Iget up an leave just becasue the PResdient is severly brain damaged . whn he wil be gone in probably 3.5 years maybe less (worst case 7.5 years)Frankly your question is offensive, and like the current President shows a pofound lack of understanding of the very basic principles that this country is founded upon.
“If you don’t like America enough to stand for the national anthem then just leave!”
There is this thing called the first amendment.. In AMerica you get to voice your opinion and stay. IF you dont like that you of course are free to stay and campaign to have the first amendment removed that too is your right.
So too you I say this is a free country people have a right to protest the country AND stay here. and if you dont like it, you too are welcome to stay.(As an aside you know your president really has a screw loose when regarding a fight between Nazis and Anti-Nazis the best he can muster is there are some “nice guys on both sides” but a couple of peacful protsters protesting police brutality “Get those ……..the field”
You need to be creative to Haman you canadd ben hamdosa, amaleki, haamaleki, you can add Harasha to either. you can add the number of letters words
Be creative if you want it to fit it will fit
Particularly as kim jong un isnt hebrew so there is no correct spelling Kim can equal 150 if you spell it with a kuf and include yud 140 if no yud, 70 if speled Kaf – yud -mem etc etc)
“That’s just it. If, …If the new Shul has more talking and you’re changing because the old Shul became a crowd of older mispallelim who you have little in common to socialize with, so you want to go to Shul with a younger crowd you can shmooze with, that would seem to be unjustifiable.”
that isnt based on” a whim” that is a chaneg to either a. Be in a shul you feel more comfortbakle in or b. In a shul where you are free to shmooze.
the first is ceertianly justifiable and even the second depending on the scenario may be justifiable as well( depends when shmoozing takes palce, and for a guy who will shmooze, arguably it is better to daven in a shul where everybody shmoozes than to shmooze in a shul whre peopel are trying not to.
You say there is “Even if the change is neutral (same) ruchniyos-wise,”
Gashmiyus is important too.
At any rate if they are the same why change?
LC
+1“or can it even be done on a whim of desire of the mispallel?”
I dont really understand this. IT is hard for me to imagine a scenario where a person changes what he has done for a “long time” based “on a whim”
If the Shul is closer, further, more talking, less talking . faster davening, slower davening. These are all thing s some people look for in Shuls, I wouldn’t say they are a “whim”
Way the pros and cons of each and do what is best for you and yours.GH
“I’m certain that other shuls the issue is as much an entitlement by virtue of years of having sat in the same place rather than a financial entitlement to the seat. However, some of the comments seem to conflate the two different situations.”thats becasue halachicly they arent neccesarily different. a Kinyan on land can be made by either ?KEsef or chazaka.
Iacrisma
“he whole thread can be boiled down to the essential questions:”
I like your essential questions
however, I think reasonable people can disagree on most of those, thus I dont find them particularly interesting.what I did not think reasonable people can argue with was the point made by several posters that astounded me. Namely: that It is wrong (one poster wrote “assur”) to ask someone to switch seats no matter at what point during davening the request is made, no matter how nicely you ask, no matter how good of a seat is provided.
CTL
Baruch Dayan Haemes
Im sorry for your family’s lossOk so DY is right “If you live in Brooklyn (or if you don’t), please remember to make an Eruv Tavshilin.”
You asked
“What does Brooklyn have with Eruv Tavshilin?”Like DY said If yo ulive in brooklyn or if yo udont …
GAON
Are yous aying those in Brooklyn don need to make an Eruv Tavshilin?IT might be too late. But did you try postponing
Chadgadya
1. I disagree with both of your premises. We practice what our Grandfathers did.
“as far as I know it is a clear historical fact that the so called “minhag”…” Many minhagim are like that. do you opose using a spoon feather and candle to search for chametz? (yes theres a differecne between doing and not doing)
2. I am not saying you should stop eating it or that there is an issur. I am just answering your original question “Why would I leave any out ” IT could be becasue your family doesnt eat a paricular one, It could be because you dont know what it is, it could be becasue you dont like it.
Are you saying there is a chiyuv to eat each of the simanim? I suppose that would mean a kezayis of each, (ain achilah pachos mikezayis) do you have extra shiurim cards for all of the simanim?“Making up your own simanim is cute”
Thats what the OP wanted,
You provided a few thanks
Though for Liver some chasidim eat becasue “Leib ehrlich” (yiddish for liver – live righetously)
OF course there are other simanim tat Rebbes ate. See nitei Gavriel and the book “Rosh hashana secrets”chadgadya
“I don’t think there is such thing as a minhag not to do something mentioned in the gemara and shulchan aruch without any machlokes”
I’m not sure what you mean there are countless examples.
The first one that pops into my head : The Gemara says the Haftorah for Simchas Torah is Shlomo’s birchas Hamelech there is no machlokes in the Gemara. I am certain that isnt what your shul lains.“there is no doubt that nowadays everyone should eat all the simanim that are obtainable.”
There is doubt. First and foremost because we arent sure what they all are.“The carrots were a substitute for the unavailable rubiya, because it had the SAME meaning in yiddish”
ok, but this isnt brought in the Gemara nor shulchan aruchRedLEg
“English has, by far, the largest and most nuanced vocabulary of any language, enabling precise translation of the most complicated concepts.”what makes you say that? I have some familiarity with French and it is far more nuanced than English. Admittedly that is subjective.
On wikipedia yo uwill find that French, Italian, German. dutch, Swedish among others have more twords than English. Im curious what led you to make your assertion :
ZD
“This would never occur in any other language. ”Incorrect. At Harvard’s graduation a speech in LAtin is given there are likely fewer Latin speakers than Yiddish speakers today.
I didnt read through the entire thread, SO this may have been mentioned but I a m glad I speak/understand Yiddish it was the language of the Gedolim of a generation ago. We still have numerous recordings of Yiddish speeches by R’ Moshe R’ Yoshe Ber (available on YUtorah) among others. I think being able to hear thier Torah firsthand is worthwhile
Chadgadya
“Why would I leave any out ”
Lots of reasons maybe it isnt your minhag, particularly as we dont know with certainty what they are (particularly “rubyia”)“or add any extra?”
the MAgen Avrohom famously mentions adding based on other languages such as Carrots which are “mehren” in Yiddish (means multiply similar to Rubya) .GAON
Well put (you will note,I did not mention makom kavua in any of my posts on this thread)
Though Im not sure why it depends on the “Takanah” of the Shul and not practice. yes in a shul where people sit anywhere any week sure there is no chazaka. but if the same person sits in the same seat week after week year after eyar, why wouldnt chazaka apply in the absence of a set policy one way or the other?Realisticguy
” if your rave is not well versed in “fake halacha” then I suggest you find a new rav”
No thanks. I much prefer the real kind.
Though dont get me wrong the fake kind is great. I literally laughed at the assertion that it is “assur” (your word) to ask someone to please sit in another seat especially when said seat is provided. So please keep it up.
Earlier I asked if this “halcha” applies if he is using my Sefer or bed as well, or is it limited to seats?GadolHadorah
“Putting aside common sense, which is the norm on some of these threads, a yid walking into a new shul typically doesn’t first search for a seating chart hidden behind the door or wait for the gabbai sheini or shlishi”Reverting back to common sense, He deosnt need a seating chart nor a Gabai. he can ask the first guy he sees “hi Reb Yid Im new here is there an open seat” 99/100 he will get one and not inconvenience anybody.
joseph
“knows no one, where should he sit if no one seats him?”I dotn follow
why isnt saying “anchuldikts mir, is this seat available?” an optionIf response is “Yes” – Sit there
If response is “No” reply with “do you know of any available seat”Again if response is “Yes” – sit there
If response is “no” – this is a brand new topic that we havent discussed so far, since in all my comments I took it as a given that a seat can be found. (Feel free to start a third thread – taking someone’s seat if there are no available seats )I have done this many times, it has never failed me. I dont understand why this isnt an option
yitzchokm
“It’s pretty ironic that you tried to vilify the Integrity of our secular studies by crafting a grammatically incorrect statement.”Aderaba! IT proves his assertion (Im not much better, and dont get my started on my typing)
I think Craig T Nelson said it best (To Glenn Beck who seemed to agree) ” “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No. No.”
Meno
A few quick questions Since I honestly find this thread fascinating
1) Is there a difference between the seat a person always sits in and the one sitting in today?
Say I arrived in Shul early start davening then go to bathroom/get a Sefer or chumash ask the Rav something etc. upon return a guest is in “my” seat. In that case is it wrong to find him another seat?
If no how is rthis different than the previous case, in either case he is being made “uncomfortable” by being asked to move2) Why Cant the guest ask what seats are avialble? why is he assuming nobody usually sits in any seat?
3) If he knows someone usually sits there say he has been a guest there before and Knows Yankel allways sits there Tallis is on the seat/under desk etc is it wrong for the guest to “take it over” one week?4) IS it different if the “seat holder” asks him to move as opposed to somebody else saying (nicely) “That seat is taken let me find you a free one”
Gadolhadorah
“Its a real stretch to extend the inyan of chazaka in baba basra as cited above to stand for the notion of makom kavua …”This is incorrect. chazaka has many applications in halacha as cited above for exampe doing something three times might create a neder. A chazon who has served several times cant just be fired
“and a license to demand someone who comes to daven change seats if there has been no financial commitment in relation thereto.”
Again incorrect, though there usually is a financial realtion thereto either by paying for a seat or membership.
“.not so for a unmarked seat in a row of otherwise identical seats in a shul with many rows of seats”
Why not assume they are reserved and simply ask?Realistguy
“im sorry if I wasn’t clear when I said there is no debate ”Oh you were quite clear. And congrats on making one of the strangest assertions I have read on this site.
Im not that well versed in fake halacha and neither is my Rav, so I cant ask him. But I would love to hear more fake halacha from you what other things that Ive paid for is it assur for me to ask someone who is using if I can use. (not not middas chasidus, Assur) IF someone is using my Sefer can I ask for it back? what if he is in my bed? Is this fake halacha limited to seats in Shul? thanksGroissechuchum
As MEno sais you are confusing threads.
Here you seem to agree “of course can ask politely to move…”Gadolhadorah
Chazal bring it in the third perek of Bava Basra.
While that isnt the exact case here. Chazaka does have broad implications in halacha in particular regarding mitzvos like servign as chazan or Baal tokeah. Daveinig in shul is a mitzva too, and the concept of Chazaka, without question exists.
Of course a Shul can make their own policy.“especially after a certain point in the davening whether it be baruch she’amar, nishmas or borchu..”
I prefaced my first comment as not referring to late comers.
I agree it is wrong for late comers to ask people to move, though even thenIfthey ask nicely AND ( cant stress this enough!) provides a seat I think it could be justified but not as easily as the guy who comes on time.Gadolhadorah
“based on the equivalent of “adverse possession” (aka if I sit there x times, its “mine”).”the hebrew term you may be looking for is chazaka, and yes there is such a thing.
TLIK
“You implied that nicely asking someone to move out of your makom kavua might be assur.”
I did int say assur, I said “wrong” . And Im sorry if I misunderstood your post, I left yo uas “perhaps” since it wasnt clear to me if you viewed that exchange as wrong. I didnt mean to misinterpret your position
Meno
“In 9 out of 10 cases, the guest will feel much more comfortable if you left out the two lines about the seat. No question in my mind.”“In fact, I strongly doubt that other commenters on this site are capable of paskening shailos either. ”
Im, not sure what that means. Im pretty sure almost everyone hear can pasken what beracha to make on an apple. Almost no one can pasken what to do about a wife of a baal teshuva who wants to be migayer.
“Paskening” whether it is ok to politely ask someone to switch seats is closer to the former.I guess we run in different crowds in 99/100 of those I know they would be thankful not to inconvenience someone else by taking his seat . No question in my mind either.
Perhaps it depends on minhag hamokom then.Hi Im sorry to obsess over this, but I am really confused and flabbergasted that this is a controversial issue
Are you all really saying that if I get to shul (on time) and someone is in the seat I have davened in for x number of years, paid for etc. IT is wrong for me to tell my new friend:
“shalom aleichem welcome to our neighborhood, I hope you have a meal for shabbos If not please let me help you. Oh and if you dont mind I usualy sit here please allow me to find you a seat that is available. would you like to be closer to the Air conditioner or further? and here is a Chumash for laining.”that is really wrong?
Several posters (Meno (“it’s still a problem”), motchah11, realisitcguy (“absolutly assur” !!??) perhaps TLIK, Gadolhadorah) seem to indicate that this is wrong.Have I misunderstood?
“if by chazaka, then if someone sitting in your seat while you travel then you lose i”
Not quite, chazaka on karka isnt defined by who is there now (though perhaps the guy who stole the seat has a chazaka on the chair).
“the only seats that are reserved are the Rav’s.”
why?
something else I’m missing is why cant the guest ask “Hi I’m new here is there any available seat” thats what I do in most cases someone helps (opr even offers his seat)
People pay for their seats/membership (often a lot of money) I am not sure why everyone here assumes it is ok to just take something someone else paid for.
Again I agree it is nice to help them find a seat and without question it shouldnt be done in an embarrassing way .
“In my shul there’s a takanah that no one is allowed to tell someone else that he’s sitting in his seat.”
I disagree completly.
If someone pays for a seat (or membership) he has a right to expect his seat available if he gets there on time.
I agree it should be done nicely and I take it as a given that he would help the guest find an empty seat or one that is available that day .Of course it is lifnei meshiras hadin to offer a guest your seat given that as MEno says guests are often uncomfortable.
but meikar hadin I think your Shul’s policy is incorrect.Meno +1 (the gist of your post)
Joseph there said:
“If a person is late to shul and someone took his (paid/kove’a makom) seat, he can’t make that person leave. If davening is underway and a guest needing a seat took an unoccupied seat, he isn’t responsible to know or have to move for a latecomer that normally sits there. Otherwise no guest could ever sit down without having to worry he’ll be kicked out of the seat (at which point there may be no more available seats.)”
I agree with him too, Only thing is what is “Late” is shul dependednt .
In the typical Shtiebel IVwe been too I’d say before Baruch Sheomar (I’m talking shabbos, Nusach Sefard) IT is ok to (nicely) ask someone to get up from seat.
Im curious to hear other definitions of “late”iacrisma
I understood jj2020 as you did.
I only agree with his premise ” First come first serve”
Though it may have led him to the wrong conclusionjospeh
agreed. though that isnt the topic
(Though we can argue what is considered “late”)I agree with JJ2020 “First come first serve. ” in other words the traveler who has a chazaka, he bought it first, he bought it previous years
(the story is skimpy on details I assume this is the case)Thanks for clarifying yytz
I suspected you didnt mena what literally what you wrote.Joseph as I said youve created a strawman. Nobody here says it is “OK” for him to remian intermarried.
The question is should we try to be mekarev him anyway and at least get what we can.Gaon,
“allow me to elaborate, when it comes to ultra-sensitive issues as Ishus and Yichus. There is no definite p’sak or procedure and, cannot be, as the Geirus is entirely up to B’D, and these cases need guidance of Gedola Horaha, due to the gravity of the issue ruled as a case-by-case basis…”Agreed completely, as I said “Of course it depends, again Im sorry if I implied there is any blanket statment for such complicated issues.”
I’m sorry Joseph
I missed that line, thank you for pointing it out. (although it was after your original comment)yytz
“But we don’t demand they leave, even if they ask us what they should do — that’s up to the individual”Im not sure if you meant it as simply as stated. but of course if a Yid asks “what they should do” it is absolutely unacceptable to tell him he can be oiver an isur. On this point Joseph is correct
If he deosnt ask and you are helping him keep other mitzvos, the intermarrige can be dealt with later. But if he asks