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WOLF- that post was in response to yours. We Davka eat gebrokts the last day.
My apologies. I did not mean to offend anyone with my suggestion that I would skip gebrotks. I certainly didn’t mean to mock a minhag. I apologize if I offended anyone.
The Wolf
I davened once in a MO Shul. (No name or location) on a Yom Tov. Never mind. It might be L”H (Lamed Hay).
So, instead of slandering a particular shul, you decided to take a cheap pot-shot at the whole movement.
The Wolf
Actually, my family is makpid not to eat from keilim that had gebrochts cooked in them in the past 12 months. My grandmother has a special frying pan that she uses for shmini shel pesach to make gebrochts.
I’m not criticizing your grandmother or your family, but personally, if it was that much trouble, I would just skip the gebroks on the last day altogether.
The Wolf
Actually, my family is makpid not to eat from keilim that had gebrochts cooked in them in the past 12 months. My grandmother has a special frying pan that she uses for shmini shel pesach to make gebrochts.
And this year it doesn’t matter, since last Pesach was 13 months ago.
The Wolf
blocked: you cannot access the coffee room at all
How do you accomplish this, especially considering the fact that the CR is publicly available for anyone to read?
The Wolf
so they named us Orthodox
Which, of course, is very funny, because we are anything but Orthodox.
The Wolf
….and the verdict is: I’m letting them go.
Based on the (admittedly) limited information you provided, I believe you made the right choice… and I’m sure it wasn’t easy. Good job.
The Wolf
It’s the name of my blog.
The Wolf
The “mazinka” dance is against halacha since it involves mixed dancing.
Oh, silly me… and I just danced with my wife earlier in the week. 🙂
The Wolf
its soo weird that a random lady outlived Moshe Rabbeinu
I don’t think it’s random at all. Mind you, I don’t know why she merited such longevity, but I’m fairly certain that HKBH knew what He was doing when he allowed her to live that long.
The Wolf
When I read this thread, it makes me ill. If you know nothing about the subject, then say nothing.
My apologies for making you ill. Next time I won’t recommend an IP attorney.
The Wolf
Itche,
That pasuk is also interpreted to mean that there are 120 years left until the mabul.
The Wolf
The bottom line here is that there is no mitzvah to do a mezinka dance. If you want to skip it because it will make other people uncomfortable, then by all means, skip it. The marriage will be 100% kosher without it.
The Wolf
OK, I think we all agree that married kids don’t have the right (and it is not proper for them) to demand payment/support from their parents/in-laws, correct?
The Wolf
I, too, misread it as “parents” when I first saw it.
As to your question, I think your best bet is to contact an IP (intellectual property) lawyer.
The Wolf
Wolf…weapon??
That’s the way it seems to me. You’re considering not letting your kids go because of the way the kallah’s family treated you.
Imagined??
I did not mean to imply that the slights were actually imagined. The point, however, is that we’re only hearing your side of the story.
My point, however, was that whether you are accurate or not in how they treated you, it’s not right to use the occasion to prevent your kids from going.
and now that I’ve said more than enough,I’m gonna try to get some sleep.
Have a good night. If I upset you, I apologize… that wasn’t my intent.
The Wolf
.And did you read my answer to tbt’s question?That would clarify my hesitation for you.
I did miss that, my apologies.
Nonetheless, while you may have problems with the kallah’s family (whether real or imagined), I don’t think you should be using your ex’s wedding day as a weapon in that fight.
The Wolf
Is there anything in particular TO BE GAINED by them attending?
Yes, there is… your ex-husband’s happiness. He wants them there and unless there is some real, overriding reason for them not to be there, they should.
Look at it from the other side… suppose it’s you getting remarried? Wouldn’t you want your kids there? And wouldn’t you feel angry if their hypotheically-custodial father said “no, they’d rather go to Toys R Us?”
The Wolf
is because she makes a claim that isn’t borne out by the facts in most other cases.
Well, she’s not making any claims now, because she is deceased.
Nonetheless, her claim is borne out by the facts of her particular case.
The Wolf
Does her 1896 marriage certificate indicate her year of birth as 1875? Does her daughters birth certificate list the mothers year of birth? Do the French census records list her year of birth? And what existent records from 1875 document her birth or baptism in that year?
Her marriage certificate from 4/8/1896 lists her age at 21 years old.
Census records don’t usually list dates of birth, but they do list ages. The 1876 census lists her at one year of age. That puts her year of birth at about 1875. Her daughter’s birth certificate from 1/20/1898 lists her age at 22.
The birth, baptism and associated records all exist today.
The Wolf
No, Chicago is “in town”, because it is part of the New york metropolitan area.
Please tell me that you’re joking…
The Wolf
Isn’t their meforshim that indicate 120 as the maximum? (Going on vague memory.)
Perhaps for the overwhelming majority, but there is nothing that says that selected individuals can’t exceed that.
The Wolf
WolfishMusings; Did you check her (Jeanne Calment) Birth Certificate, or Driver’s License??!!
No, of course not. But her life was well documented. Her birth and baptism in 1875 are matters of public record, as is her marriage in 1896. She is listed on her daughter’s birth certificate in 1898.
She was listed in a census in France in 1876 and 1881, as well as several censuses between 1900 and 1920. Since then, until her own death in 1997, she has left a paper trail of documents ranging from birth certificates to death certificates that all attest to her continued existence and her family’s.
The Wolf
Can someone live to 121?
Why not?
Jeanne Calment lived to 122.
The Wolf
OK, OK. I still think I have a valid point, but it seems I’m clearly in the minority here, so I retract the objection.
The Wolf
Anywhere in the article about these bachurim, is there a quote that their rebbe or rav holds otherwise?
You’re right. There is no quote. So you can’t make the assumption that their rav is okay with it, just as your disputants cannot make the claim that their rav disapproved.
Any claim that they didn’t ask for guidance from a rebbe or rav?
You’re right… but since there is no evidence that they did ask, the burden of proof is on you to show that they did ask.
Has anyone seen or heard even a single authoritative claim that their rebbe or rav has stated their actions were anything but appropriate?
You’re right. But as I mentioned earlier, there is no proof that they said it was appropriate. Just as the burden of proof is on your disputants to prove that a rav disapproved, the burden of proof is also on you to prove that they did.
The Wolf
Because on pesach we are extra careful with the food situation
That may be true. But eating potential tarfus during the year is pretty bad too. Is the lav against eating tarfus not worth the extra precaution?
The Wolf
it seems like im the only one going away…anyone else??? just curious if ill bump into any cr goers over the vienesse table ;))
Sorry… while I (unlike many posters here) don’t have any hashkafic problem with going away for Pesach, it’s just not my style (or Eeees’s). We’ve always been the “stay at home” types.
The Wolf
cmon?! you know good and well that thats not what bpt is implying.
I know he’s not implying that… but only because I don’t think he thought it through as far as I did.
The concerns he raises are NOT applicable only to Pesach hotels — they are applicable to almost any other kashrus situation. As such, why is he so concerned about Pesach hotels and not any other situation?
The Wolf
BPT,
But those things are exclusive to Pesach hotels — they can just as easily apply to any restaurant during the year or even your friend’s or relative’s house.
Are you saying that anyone who eats anything out of the home is potentially compromising on his/her kashrus to the point where they should just not do it?
The Wolf
Since there is no single spokesperson for the Jewish community as a whole,
Heh. Now that you bring it up, I’m always amused at the fact that we are called Orthodox Jews when we are, in fact, most assuredly not Orthodox.
The Wolf
Its as if you are all self hating jews…I dont get it.
I didn’t bash kollel. All I said was that if my future son-in-law demands it then he’s got another thing coming. That’s not anti-kollel — that’s anti-bad middos.
The Wolf
The discussion was regarding publishing her photo on the internet, not her home.
That’s true. Nonetheless, in the person’s home, any guest, worker or other visitor can see it. On Facebook, you can set the privacy level of your photos so that only your friends can see it.
Nonetheless, this is all really beside the point. If she’s allowed to walk in the street, where just about anyone can see her in person, then there is no problem with people seeing her on the internet or in a photo.
The Wolf
The Wolf
1) To wish for an infinite number of more wishes.
The Wolf
Seeallsides,
That’s not the point. I have no problem with a person who wants to spend his money supporting kollel.
My problem is when the “kids” demand it as if it’s their right to be supported. It’s not their right. Demanding the money as if it’s owed to you is simply a display of appalling manners.
The Wolf
NO ONE mentioned the married kids who after multiple years of parents paying out a thousand plus a month, married Lakewood kids want a down payment now!!!
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What do we do now?
The answer is fairly simple: just say no.
Look, my in-laws helped us out when we got married. But Eeees and I would NEVER dream of asking (much less *demanding*) anything from them. We’re extremely grateful for all they have done for us, but it was all done at their initiative.
God willing, I’d like to be able to help my kids the same way. I hope I’m raising my kids the right way to understand that they don’t “have it coming to them” and that they have no right to “demand” anything. And, moreover, I hope I’m teaching them well enough that if their fiances “demand” anything of me, that they will see that for the character flaw that it is and seriously reconsider marrying that person.
The Wolf
If you limit yourself to Torah Yidden, then you are wrong.
I think you’re wrong there too. I have seen photographs of women in just about every frum person’s home that I’ve been in — and that goes from the most “modern” to the right-wing yeshivish and chassidish.
The Wolf
Let’s not get into sementics about it being the worst or second worst or third. I’m sure you can think of worse things. (i.e. having communications on FB with an opposite gender.) But it’s bad enough to figuratively call it the worst thing.
Fair enough, if that’s how you feel. Suffice it to say that I (and most people) don’t agree with you that having a picture of a woman visible is wrong.
The Wolf
Because of her gender.
Do you *really* believe that posting a picture of a woman is the worst thing you can do?
The Wolf
charlie: You’re overruling Rav Moshe?
If the ruling is dependent on X number of people being present and there aren’t that number present, then saying that the ruling no longer applies is not overruling Rav Moshe.
Overruling him would be saying “even if X people are present the p’sak can be ignored.”
The Wolf (who understands the meaning of the word “if”)
Who actually goes to one of these things?
And who can actually afford these things??
Obviously,some can afford it because there are so many advertisements.
So, you’ve answered your own questions. 🙂 Not much more to do here then…
The Wolf
Wolfish, I, obviosly, did not mean with one’s wife in private.
I know you didn’t. There is one poster, however, who maintains that it is just as forbidden as swimming or dancing with any other person of the opposite gender.
The Wolf
Google “book shaped baking mold”
The Wolf
Mixed swimming is ossur; separate seating is a good chumra(but not really ossur); dancing without mechitsa is ossur.
Heh… I’m wondering if I should set off certain parties on this board again about “mixed swimming” or “mixed dancing” in private with one’s wife. >:)
The Wolf
wolfmusings… ‘agre dkaleh’ the new print ktav ashiris, not the rashi oisious, chlek alef, page 212 ois 15. the mechaber is the ‘bnei yissoschar’
Thank you. Again, however, I don’t have access to this sefer, so please summarize for me what it said.
Thanks,
The Wolf
because it makes sense for people using a compass, which always points north.
Minor nitpick, but a compass points to magnetic north, which is not the same as true north, which is usually placed at the top of a map.
The Wolf
Winning a prize of a lifetime is very different, You not playing with peoples emotions. Theres a big difference…
For the record, it was I who used that line, not Avram.
That being said, you’re not playing with someone’s emotions if you agree to go on a second date. It is (or should be) understood by all parties that a second date means “there might be something there, and I want to check it out further.” If he mistakes your “let’s go on a second date” with “hey, she’s ready to get married” that’s his problem, not yours.
It’s a date, not a lifetime commitment… and you owe it to yourself to investigate if you think there’s a reasonable chance that it might work.
The Wolf
The worst thing is posting a pictures of youselves. otherwise its not so bad.
Please explain. Why is posting a picture of yourself “the worst thing” you can do on Facebook?
The Wolf