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In the 2010 census, Lakewood had a population of 92,000. About 50-60% of the towns population is frum meaning about 50-60,000 people
Anyone who testifies against another jew in a non-jewish court and sends another jew to prison has a din of a moser and is chayiv misa.
So if you saw someone abuse a child and testified against the abuser in court, you are chayiv misa according to this “Sheeta”
Vouchers are illegal in NY because of Blaine amendments in the NY constitution, They wanted to repeal this law and they found it was almost impossible so that the GOP is for vouchers in NY is pointless.
I said the agudah was against the marriage ruling, but they did not oppose it like they should have, they even met with Christine Quinn on several occasions.
mamale
You are correct that private school kids save the district money, however the issue with East Ramapo is Special Ed and regular parents with special ed kids just send them to public school which can educate them cheaper than private schools. In East Ramapo parents dont want their kids in the public school (Except Kiryat Joel) so the district sends them to more expensive private schools in essense cancelling out the savings as special ed costs an insane amount of money.
Private schools are a hot potato for both parties, the dems because of the teachers unions and many minories who are the base of the party. The GOP generally favors smaller government and lower taxes and therefore would not be open to give them money
When the marriage law was changed in NY to allow “other” types of marriages. Why do you think the Agudah and others did not fight hard to stop it? They accepted their own “PorK’ and were told if you oppose the changing of the marriage law, you will lose your “Pork” and they had to back down, yes they opposed, but they didnt oppose as loud as they could have
And you are correct, its Not fair that parents of Private school have to pay while parents of Public school do not, but that is the law
Maybe what’ll happen is the public school parents will get so frustrated that they’ll move out of town (i.e. rent basements in other towns) and the public school student body will go down to a small number and the local BOE will save hundreds of millions from having less public school kids.
This is what many are hoping for. thanks for posting it
You want the laws changed to basically serve one district. We do not live in a dictatorship, the legislator branch needs to change these laws on a consensus vote. Other legislators who live in other districts will want something for their vote. They are not giving you their vote for nothing.
What are you going to offer a legislator from Utica, NY for his vote on changing the distribution formula for East Ramapo? What are you going to offer a Legislator from Jersey City in order to support changing the formula for Lakewood?
And before you say how important the Jewish Vote is, there are other consitutancies who are also important and want a different result. The leaders take these things into account. The latino vote is large too and the elected officials want their vote too. This is how it works in our governmental system
And no they dont care about Lakewood or East Ramapo, they answer to their own consituants not yours
If Lakewood gets more state aid, then other districts will also want state aid and thats what some dont seem to get. Lakewood will want and get, then Camdem, Newark, Trenton and other districts will also want as well. So for every dollar Lakewood gets, NJ would have to pay out $5 or more.
And dont say only Lakewood should get, thats not how politics works. The aid will have to be voted on in the state legislature and to get some votes they will have give them too and there are members of the legislature who will not vote for any state aid strictly on principle no matter who asks
It was Viznitz Chassidim who banned it
I heard something like contacts are either Chukas HaGoyim or Begged Aisha or something along those lines. I only heard it indirectly
Arent their some Shittas that say not to wear contact lenses at all (Maybe just for men not to use them)
However nowhere does it say one should not learn if you cant pay. There isnt any shitta ANYWHERE saying that
I think you can use your imagination. But in something related, many many years ago, there were two men who were chavrusas, who learned at home, and the wife was always around and in the end she divorced her husband, the chavrusa divorced his wife and they married each other. If your imagination doesn’t suggest anything, would you want your wife to get too familiar with your friend?
I am sure this does happen , and probably happend more than once, but how about the following could also happen. Shabbos can be long and while married people get along, sometimes cabin fever sets in and they start to get mad and fighting with each other (Especially on a long winter night or a long summer day). Having other people over can calm this tension.
So if someone cannot afford full yeshiva tuition, they should send their kids to public school?
Abba
At least you admitted the political calculus involved here. Which is why I dont think the money is coming any time soon and the district will have to solve the problem on its own.
Special ed is mandated, however sending the special ed kids to schools in Kiryat Joel is NOT which costs more money rather than educatating them in Monsey
The monitor will find these things and make them keep them in Monsey at a lower cost (These costs have been documented). You take the money they will do these things. There might also be places that bill the district at a higher than customary costs and the monitor will eliminate those too.
There is alot of fat in mandated services and they will be eliminated before the money is given.
You can argue with me all you want, but they are not giving you the money for free. There will be a cost. The cost could be loss of board control, It could be a required tax increase for increase in state Aid. It could be mandatory cuts in some of the private school aid. But it will be something and it will be tough love.
You dont seem to understand the use of the word cost here. The word cost here is not nessasirly about money, its about what they will expect in return in order to give the money.
It doesnt matter what you think of me, that is the politics of the state. It very well might be some elected officials care about the voting bloc, but others do not . And there are others who would agree to it, if they get a piece of the pie turning off those who might agree to it.
Depending on currency conversation A quarter of a US Dollar could be worth 50 Canadian Cents
As long as there is no school monitor with veto power over the board, the board can cut public school services to balance the budget
There are things they can cut and things they cant cut. If something is madated by the state like Math, Science, English , GYM (Yes Gym is madated)
They can cut things like band , and intermural sports which are not mandated.
What some here dont seem to get is free public school education is not only the laws in the US , it is the custom as well. You cannot eliminate it or make it barebones because you dont use it. Eldery and childless people are required to pay taxes for it even though they dont have kids
For most people an office environment is the only place they will meet people of various types and you really have to be careful how you tread.
I have a friend who worked with an “Alternative Lifestyle” person and non-verbally showed their disdain , the person complained and they were almost fired but had to take a sensitivity training class
I heard another story of someone who mocked his co-workers buddah in his own cubicle and also almost got in trouble as not being respectful of others. You are not allowed to preach about Buddah in the office, but you are not allowed to be mocked for it either. Same as a person supposedly born on December 25. A person can have a cross in their cubicle, but they cannot offer to “save” you.
Dealing with members of the opposite gender is a very fine line. While some might consider you name shaking their hand or avoidance of small talk as perfectly OK, others might take it very differently especially if they might be your superior or underling and might think you are not treating them fairly especially if you shake another males hand or engage in small talk with the men and not the women.
#2 is what the people of East Ramapo want to happen and think thats what will happen
They dont seem to realize it will come at a cost, It might even come at a cost of a combination of #1 and #2. Like they have to raise taxes $1 for every $1 in government aid. It might come at the cost of loss of control of school board (I think this happend in Roosevelt) . And like I said , If East Ramapo gets a bailout , others will want one too costing the state more money so its not as easy as they want. Its very unlikely due to politics of the entire state that #2 will occur unconditionally
There are basically only 4 real exit strategies
1) Raise taxes , however the majority of the people who do not use public school are against this and it will only happen if forced
2) Government bailout , could happen, but unlikely as there are other districts throughout the state that have budget issues and they would expect a bailout too. It would set a bad precedent from a state level. There are districts for example that most of the homeowners are either seasonal people (Like the Hamptons) or people without kids like eldery and they could say, we dont want to pay, state bail us out
3) District merging . Merge East Ramapo with a neighboring district , this would work for a while, except the neighboring districts would likely reject as they would be afraid of being outnumbered and out voted and it would become another East Ramapo and the larger district would have the same issues over again.
4) Cut most private school spending, Public vs Private school spending is not equal in the public eyes. People on the greater level do not equate money spent for private schools vs money spend for public schools even if the public school spending isnt mandatory. People would more support a football team or AP classes for the public schools than busing to yeshivas. That is just the way it is, its not only the law its the culture of the society. Private school spending will get cut first. The monitor and the state will demand it before any bailout. People feel private schools are a choice and there is no reason for taxpayers (On the state level) to pay for it
Unfortunatly most history classes in seminaries would not tell the students that the Bund was the most popular philosophy in Pre-War Poland. It was shocking when I first heard it (I never even heard of the Bund) and I am sure its shocking to many here who havent heard of this before (if they even heard of the Bund).
In the Smaller Shtelts, most people were still relgious. These changes occured in the big cities like Warsaw, Vilna and Krakow.
And BTW Zionism had actually one of the smallest followings of any pre-war philosophy. Most people were bundists and then alot of the rest were religous who were also anti-zionistic.
From Wikipedia..About the Bund electoral results. These numbers do not include non-relgious zionism or other non-relgious groups
In December 1938 and January 1939, at the last Polish municipal elections before the start of the Second World War, the Bund received the largest segment of the Jewish vote. In 89 towns, one-third elected Bund majorities.[15] [16] [10]
After its municipal electoral successes in December 1938 and January 1939, the Bund hoped for a breakthrough at the parliamentary elections due in September 1939, but these were de facto cancelled by the German-Soviet invasion.[10]
Some authors have stated that only about 10% of Polish Jews during the interwar period could be considered “assimilated” while more than 80% could be readily recognized as Jewish
Being non-religious is not the same as assimilationist. the Bund were non-relgious and probably anti-relgious, but they were not assimaltionist.
The non-relgious jews in poland Spoke Yiddish, married among themselves , but also engaged in Jewish culture like jewish literature, Jewish theater, jewish Orchestras and other jewish cultural things.
An Assimated jew would be someone likely married to a non-jew and not engaging in anything jewish except maybe a last name (if even that)
DY
Yes it says East Ramapo received about $50 Million in aid which is about what other districts go. They should get similar amounts to what other districts of the same size receive. I have no problem with East Ramapo getting similar amounts to what other similar sized districts get. They should not get more that what other similar sized districts get.
I would have given the Link which was easier to read, but I didnt think it would have been allowed
Private schools are not supposed to receive direct aid. only indirect aid for things like Bus service and textbooks and some disabilith services
School aid by district 2013
New York City New York City $2,147,483,647 $2,147,483,647 2.8% $175,983,384 2.5%
Erie Buffalo $633,606,117 $639,067,570 0.9% $11,064,509 2.2%
Monroe Rochester $457,469,958 $481,160,846 5.2% $14,337,538 3.3%
Onondaga Syracuse $271,660,828 $279,212,747 2.8% $7,321,605 2.9%
Westchester Yonkers $213,107,131 $222,627,312 4.5% $9,223,850 4.5%
Suffolk Brentwood $204,776,290 $216,802,554 5.9% $8,891,849 4.6%
Orange Newburgh $122,734,540 $123,690,047 0.8% $3,368,600 3.1%
Suffolk William Floyd $106,972,516 $107,210,733 0.2% $1,646,213 1.8%
Suffolk Sachem $107,385,914 $105,380,122 -1.9% $9,938 0.0%
Oneida Utica $101,308,520 $103,942,023 2.6% $4,272,610 4.8%
Schenectady Schenectady $94,311,869 $98,201,754 4.1% $4,056,979 4.7%
Nassau Hempstead $92,142,241 $94,725,696 2.8% $2,418,875 2.7%
Niagara Niagara Falls $89,430,177 $91,933,042 2.8% $2,448,874 3.0%
Suffolk Central Islip $81,277,723 $89,914,350 10.6% $8,775,171 11.6%
Chemung Elmira $77,227,749 $79,870,407 3.4% $2,737,339 4.3%
Suffolk Longwood $76,285,520 $77,054,806 1.0% $468,441 0.7%
Albany Albany $76,830,409 $77,016,057 0.2% $666,580 1.0%
Suffolk Middle Country $73,354,042 $76,020,488 3.6% $2,579,407 3.8%
Monroe Greece $74,671,091 $75,289,356 0.8% $673,787 1.1%
Westchester Mount Vernon $69,334,184 $72,745,120 4.9% $4,072,037 6.4%
Orange Middletown $67,115,929 $69,148,361 3.0% $418,816 0.7%
Oneida Rome $62,892,384 $63,428,823 0.9% $522,367 1.0%
Broome Binghamton $51,738,646 $58,593,856 13.2% $1,988,205 4.3%
Suffolk Patchogue-Medf $56,995,459 $58,190,504 2.1% $1,295,275 2.7%
Onondaga North Syracuse $57,111,747 $57,662,323 1.0% $1,637,084 3.4%
Dutchess Poughkeepsie $53,630,185 $55,507,318 3.5% $736,542 1.4%
Nassau Freeport $52,650,570 $55,155,737 4.8% $2,400,557 4.9%
Rockland East Ramapo $52,818,910 $53,942,961 2.1% $806,788 1.6%
Chautauqua Jamestown $56,224,411 $53,527,024 -4.8% $1,766,640 3.9%
Nassau Levittown $47,945,164 $52,468,502 9.4% $1,233,087 2.8%
Its not conjecture. In fact Wall Street Workers are about 8% of the workers in NYS and pay about 20% of the total taxes. NYC also has alot of other really high paid workers in other industries like Advertising , Corporate lawyers and other really high paying jobs, not available in the Suburbs
In NYS, NYC is the engine that drives the rest of the State.
The government is getting the money from the people; it isn’t the government’s money, it is the taxpayer’s money.
When East Ramapo takes in more in government aid than it pays in Taxes, its not their money
Some dont seem to understand politics , you have to compromise and give to get. If you demand government money, it will come at a cost. They are not giving you the money for free
Thats shocking to me
Thats why I am not so sure you want to investigate further
Google Bundism. It was the most popular philosophy of Pre-war eastern Europe. Its been almost totally forgotten. It was basically Secular yiddishism with a socialist bent. They were anti-zionist, Pro-Yiddish , Pro Labor and wanted to stay in Poland but with equal rights for all.
Ive been to Prague and Budapest and the largest synagouges there are not orthodox. The largest and most beautiful synangouge in Prague is not the Altaneushul (Maharal Shul) but rather the Reform Spanish Synanoguge
And in Budapest the largest shul in Europe (not just Hungary) is the Dohany Street Synangouge, which Im not totally sure what it is because women sit on a differnt floor than men, but there is an organ used on Shabbos (Played by a non-jew).
In Vilna Rav Chaim Ozer was never able to become chief Rabbi of the city because the secular elements were able to block him, they were so powerful (The Chief Rabbi in Europe is a government position and carries the weight of the law behind you in enforcement)
Newbee
Generally the jews in the cities of central and eastern Europe were not so relgious. By all means this doesnt belive all were not relgious, there were plenty of relgious people in the big cities. But they were generally the minirity and this includes cities like Warsaw and Vilna. About 1/3 of jews in the big cities were relgious the other 2/3 were not
I suspect part of the reason the communists were successful was the general disarry between 1919 an beyond. People were exiled, displaced and killed and likely those who were killed were the more religious ones as the less religious ones moved east where it was safer rather than stayed in western Soviet Union (Ukraine, Belrus, etc). Alot of people also lost their faith after the war
I had heard the reason there is a crisis is because in the yeshivsh world Boys marry girls 3-4 years younger. There is also a huge population explosion in the yeshivish commuty as there are more and more births every year
So there are more 19 year old boys and girls than 23 year old boys and girls hence the differnce between 19 year old girls and 23 year old boys.
In the chassidic communities where the boys and girls are the same age there is no shortage
Yidden got married not long after their Bar/Bas Mitzvah. No one is suggesting we go back to that age marriage
Why not?
For one its ILLEGAL in the United States. You cannot get married in any state before 16.
But you are OK with a shul having a Chinese Auction which is really gamblimg in a Simcha room even if its for Tzedkah but not the Superbowl party which might also be for Tzedkah in the Simcha room
The shul I daven at hosts a superbowl party.
Let’s be dan l’kaf z’chus and assume their intention is to prevent
people from watching the commercials and halftime show, or maybe
from attending parties with mixed company. After all, a shul is an
institution for matters of kodesh, and the Super Bowl is no such thing.
Perhaps the shul has a simcha room (Like most shuls do) and that is where the Super Bowl Party occured. I really doubt it occured in the main sanctuary
I do issue this warning again, You might find out things that you didnt want to hear or wont belive are true.
Most people who write history are biased, and they will usually write their accounts from their own perspective and frum authors are not exempt.
One has to understand why jews were into =isms prior to WW II and zionism was not even near to the most popular (yet many frum authors seem to harp on this when Bundism which was secular socialism seems to be omitted and it was the most popular philosophy) , One also has to understand why in the Ashkenzic world the word of the local Rav was not obeyed . Why were jews attracted to the haskallah , Communism , Bundism and moving to the USA. These questions are very important to understanding pre-war Europe.
There is a video on youtube of Munkatch from 1933. It is very surprising, its just scenes from Munkatch. It opens with the wedding of the Munkatcher Rebbe and he is giving a dvar torah on the evils of America. Then there is a scene of people buying books. The 3rd scene is a bunch of children singing Hatikva with the original lyrics, its depressing since you know all these children will be killed in about 10 years and the final scene is a bunch of people dancing the Hora (Mixed Dancing).
You might want to read Simon Dubnow who was a historian who died in the Vilna Ghetto, There are other accounts as well. Be prepared it might not be what you expected
I usually think Joseph is trolling and I hope he is here
if ANY ‘Rav” makes a “Psak” that encourages underage drinking Al Pi Halacha, you need to get another rav. Underage drinking is not only illegal, its dangerous and you can be legally liable for any damage the teen does if you gave them the alcohol.
LC
Actually most jews in Eastern Europe were not Zionist, Most were actually Bundists, especially in Poland. Bundists were yiddish secularlists I guess somewhat socialists and wanted rights in Poland. It was the Bundists who were behind the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, however they were decimated after the war and it was not possible to live in Poland anymore so they became irrelevant
Far more poor, unknown immigrant Jews, faced with the edict of if you don’t come in on Saturday, don’t come in on Monday gave in to their poverty and went off the derech.
It wasnt just in America, in fact it was also in Europe there was a mass exodus to the cities where people were not religious anymore. In Poland alone about 2/3’s were not relgious.
Most of these use R’L a smart phone to reserve the car. its Assur min H’Torah to use them
I think the point was people are throwing Avodah Zarah at almost anything they dislike .
So, dont call it a superbowl party. Call it thursday night chulent on sunday night.
I saw one place advertising it as a “Rosh Chodesh Adar Party”
They very well might especially if its a kid who needs Special Ed which is very expensive, they could say either home school your kid or send them to public school.