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please, evil man, tell me more about people who died to save us….
Someone asked a gut shailoh on the front page – when it comes to missiles and hostages, some say – learning protects, no hishtadlus is required. Why not apply same logic to a threat of losing funding or army recruitment? Don’t waste your time on demonstrations, apply your learning to protect the yeshivos. Has veshalom, lo aleichem, everyone is at the demonstration, and Hashem will allow knesset to vote against your interest at themoment nobody is learning?
I have been reading the wicked comments of HaKatan and UJM
for more than two years, and I noticed that they *** NEVER ***
criticize the Nazis or the Arabs or the Muslims,
and they *** NEVER *** blame the Nazis or the Arabs or the Muslims
for *** ANY *** problem.Instead, they blame “The Zionists” for 100% of the problems, 100% of the time.
This false version of History is disgusting anti-Semitic Victim Blaming,
and it is the symptom of minds that are very sick and very dangerous to Jews.There are good reasons why I suspect HaKatan and UJM
of being paid agents of Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran.@aaq
thats not a ‘gutte shailo’ at all
this is based on a simple lack of understanding
.no one in his right mind says that re missiles and hostages, no hishtadlut is required —
what they are saying is : the ‘hishtadlut’ which is specifically requested , i.e.
enrollment of our precious and impressionable youth [who will end up being the fathers and educators of the subsequent generation] into the army
will 1] make no material positive difference in the lot of the missiles and hostages anyway
and 2] will make an enormous negative difference in the essence of our precious youth in 99.999 % of the draftees
so —
even though it is true that hishtadlut in general , is required re missiles and hostages , nevertheless
said particular hishtadlut is not required by said particular youth
so —
as a result , using the general and overarching principle in yahadut , that
whenever hishtadlut by this particular person is not permitted , not possible, or not required , for whatever reason —
that person should suffice with the following – rely on, and hope for , and pray to HKBH for a speedy salvation
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whereas in the case of stopping the immoral gzera of forced enlistment , said hishtadlut , sometimes – depending on the circumstances, is permitted
therefore as a result , again , using the general and overarching principle in yahadut , that
whenever hishtadlut by this particular person is permitted , or required ,
that person is obligated to do both —
also
rely on, and hope for , and pray to HKBH for a speedy salvation
and also
put in the required hishtadlut
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this is not a contradiction at alljust two age old principles of yahadut , put into practice , in two totally different circumstances
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.by the way – re funding – as far as I am aware , the demonstrations are not against the funding
they are only against the illegal kidnapping of innocent people
at the behest of biased crooks masquerading as legal experts …
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.simcha is not an evil man .
people who died to save the community in the IDF are on the level of harugei lud .
thats the written opinion of rav chaim shmulevits zatsal.
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.AAQ – Someone asked a gut shailoh on the front page – when it comes to missiles and hostages, some say – learning protects, no hishtadlus is required. Why not apply same logic to a threat of losing funding or army recruitment?
No one ever said that we are holding at a level where “hishtadlus” is not required. However, “hishtadlus” doesn’t override the many issurim involved in participating in the IDF. Even Pikuach Nefesh doesn’t override Gilui Arayos. In a situation where the IDF has an agenda to deliberately be מכשיל Chareidi soldiers in Chilul Shabbos and other issurim, then Pikuach Nefesh doesn’t override that either. That is the actual point of conflict here, not whether “hishtadlus” is necessary. Everyone involved here in Israel, on both sides of the fence, understands that. It’s just that the Chareidim can’t say out loud that they won’t serve altogether, and the Left can’t say out loud that they want to make Chareidim go OTD, so both sides use code words and dog whistles.
I don’t know what is the point of posting all of these articles. As if anyone disputes that there are reshaim in the Israeli government. The argument here isn’t about giving a hezkat kashrut to the government. It’s simply the idea that the country is controlled by a Jewish establishment, and that is a good thing for the Jewish nation. It isn’t the first time in history that Jewish leaders are currupt and not following the Torah. But the fact that we have an establishment in “our” control is a springboard to where we ultimately are looking to be. The fact that Medinat Yisrael is a step towards the geula is undisputable to anyone who has any sense of the concept of hashgaha. Maybe how it came about wasn’t lechtehila, but now that we are where we are it’s clear that this is the path Hashem chose for us. If you think otherwise you may fall into the category of an angry person who’s anger is tantamount to Avoda Zara. You simply don’t agree with that which Hashem has done. It’s absurd to think that backtracking our current position, giving control of israel to anyone else will be any better for Haredim. Which government is going to support Jews learning Torah? The tiny percentage of Jews in the US who taking advantage of the system are totally under the radar. That would never work is Israel. So not only is Medinat Yisrael a step closer to the geula, there is no better alternative. And you’d have to be a total ignaramous to suggest mass yerida. This whole argument is nonsensical. A bunch of statements about “zionists” and a mesora. Quoting these statements is a lot of noise at best. Not practical whatsoever. And again, not Torah misinai. Hating another Jew because they “support” the state of israel is an issur d’orayta. And spewing your hatred causing others to follow just compounds the transgression. Feel free to believe as you wish, but your hatred and name calling is despicable and anti Torah.
@ YYA
“Everyone involved here in Israel, on both sides of the fence, understands that. It’s just that the Chareidim can’t say out loud that they won’t serve altogether, and the Left can’t say out loud that they want to make Chareidim go OTD, so both sides use code words and dog whistles.”
Very well said. Especially since Hareidi units have been tried in the past. Given the above what do you think is the path forward? Should Hatzalh start a private militia?
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