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  • #1923489
    a pashute yid
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    Is there a reason why @YWN went liberal? Is there a reason that a news station that is catering to conservatives is getting election 2020 news from AP news feed which refuses to cover that there is evidence of election fraud. Is there a reason that when YWN covers a trump tweet, it is covered in a cynical way? Is it possible to find a more conservative feed to use as a news source that will give us the conservative view as well? #newsmax
    YWN, our readers would like to go back to our old way of reporting the real news. Thanks so much YWN for all that you did and all that you will continue to do as we continue to improve this amazing site.

    #1923507
    ujm
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    Because there’s very little if any original reporting. And the services that resell news wires and media outlets are virtually all left-wing. So they lazily repost mainstream media fake news. The decision here is economic not ideological.

    #1923514
    CTLAWYER
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    This LIBERAL will state that YWN is FAR from Liberal, PRO TRUMP BIAS all the time.

    #1923523
    a pashute yid
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    @ujm there are conservative news stations. looking at what you said it seems that you live under a rock
    @ctlawyer the CONSERVATIVES will state that recently YWN took a stance that is FAR from conservative. And are you a lawyer?

    #1923528
    commonsaychel
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    because YWN reports on fact not fiction or wishful thinking, Trump lost get over it.
    PS before you accuse me of being some lefty, I am a Republican Committeeman for over 25 years and a former member of the GOP executive committee.

    #1923545
    ujm
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    APY: 1) What conservative news stations are your referring to? 2) Which of those offer a syndicated subscription to other websites?

    #1923546
    Gadolhadorah
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    Say it ain’t so….YWN becoming part of the left-wing, drive-by, socialist, FAKE news mob??? If you have any doubts, just go through the archives and look at all the flattering stock photos used by the YWN editorial staff whenever a headline mentions either Hillary or Obama, where the photo has no contextual reference to the news item. Or use the search function and see if you can find a story in the past few months where any references to the ehrliche governor of NYS or mayor of NYC doesn’t have some pejorative prefix (perhaps rightfully so). In simple terms, while not a yiddeshe version of NewsMax or OAN, many of us will assure you that the YWN news editors have not gone rogue. Nor should you expect to see Rav Avi Weiss’ columns replacing those of Rav Hoffman or any of my less than respectful postings about certain rabbonim or askanim get by the Mods. However, if your definition of “liberal” means anything that doesn’t conform to the alternative reality of the Trumpkopfs, than perhaps you have a legitimate broigas with the YWN management.

    #1923550
    emes nisht sheker
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    Calling the YWN liberal is a surely a joke. I guess since Trump decided that Fox News is not enough of a sycophant the so-called conservatives here (really they are Trump cultists) are all on OANN and Brietbart and now think that even generic right-wing stuff is liberal.

    #1923565
    Gadolhadorah
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    “before you accuse me of being some lefty, I am a Republican Committeeman for over 25 years and a former member of the GOP executive committee”
    Seychel: Surely you know that your legacy Republican credentials are irrelevant unless you have recently (and frequently) reestablished your NEW Republican bona fides by genuflecting to Trump and wear your MAGA hat to bed. Otherwise, you are, by definition, a RHINO and have lost your chelek of the RNC’s olam haboh.

    #1923566
    ujm
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    There’s no doubt that this site lazily reposts unedited syndicated/wire stories from the AP, Reuters, NY Times and other mainstream media left-wing fake news outlets.

    #1923576
    Yserbius123
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    Is there any site or media organization other than OANN that you would consider not liberal?

    #1923579
    charliehall
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    “there is evidence of election fraud”

    There is the following evidence of election fraud:

    1) Two Trump voters in Pennsylvania got caught trying to cast a second vote in the name of a dead person.

    2) A guy in California got caught committing absentee ballot fraud in California in an attempt to steal a local election. A few thousand fraudulent absentee ballot applications in a state Biden won by five million votes, and there were no illegal votes in this case, either, because the guy got caught. I have not been able to determine whether the perpetrator is a Republican or a Democrat as all local elections in California are nonpartisan.

    3) The US Postal service failed to deliver 1/3 of the mail in ballots in Philadelphia and 1/5 of the mail in ballots in Detroit. Then Trump’s goons went to court to prevent these legal ballots from being counted if they arrived late. This cost Biden a lot of votes but he won anyway. The source here is the “liberal” Trump propaganda rag called the New York Post.

    Giuliani admitted in open court that there was no fraud. So there is nothing for YWN to report on.

    #1923581
    charliehall
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    “will give us the conservative view as well”

    Trying to overturn a free and fair election is not conservative, or at least it didn’t used to be. And that is what Trump’s goons are trying to do. They are now attacking the very basis of American democracy and you seem to be okay with that. You might be more comfortable in an absolute monarchy like Bahrain or UAE.

    #1923608

    Charlie, perhaps you should actually read the lawsuits just recently filed by Sidney Powell in Georgia and Michigan. Might, *might* , make you sound smarter in your future posts. Not sure how any of trumps “goons” would go about overturning a “fair and free” election.

    #1923638
    jackk
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    tvop,

    Can you please read it and post some of the info ? I really want to hear the claims.
    The Georgia SOS Brad Raffensberger who is a Republican has confirmed that there was no fraud in the Georgia voting. Trump Lost because more people voted for Biden. Based on that , I believe that everything in that lawsuit is worthless.

    After you read the lawsuit, you can also, read the REPORT OF THE 116-XX SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE UNITED STATES SENATE ON RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURE’S CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION written by the Republican Senate which concludes that Russia helped Trump win the 2016 election. Trump and Fox news lied for 4 years that it was all a Democrat hoax.

    The trump cult is so sure of itself that they claim that the massive fraud was so perfect that it was done in a way that could never be proven. That is exactly what someone who knows there was no fraud but wants to allege it anyway would say. These people would buy the Brooklyn Bridge if trump told them it was for sale.

    #1923643
    Quayboardwarrior
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    @torahvaluesoverparty
    Sidney Powell’s filings are a joke.

    They read terribly. The sentences appear to have been spliced together, erroneously divided with misplaced full stops or end with closing quotation marks that were never opened and are filled with debunked conspiracy theory hogwash.

    Like the primary source for the complaint’s claims about Dominion’s supposed Venezuelan connection appears to be a Wall Street Journal article from 2006.

    My question is how so many people on YWN are convinced there was election fraud without there being any concrete evidence proving so?

    #1923659
    CTLAWYER
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    @apashutayid
    Yes, I am a licensed attorney, admitted to the Bar in CT, MA, MY and FL

    #1923679
    commonsaychel
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    @godoalhatorah, The GOP was here before Trump and will be here after Trump, same as the Democats and Clinton or Obama

    #1923700
    Nachshon1
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    As in all questions of this type,the answer is the same. Follow the money,in this case advertising dollars. Nuf said

    #1923716
    akuperma
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    1. YWN purchases most of its goysha news from the Associated Press, which is opened by the major newspapers, which means it is liberal. The less partisan news sources, such as the Wall Street Journal, are probably more expensive, and perhaps unwilling, to let YWN reprint their news sources.

    2. YWN has much “sponsored content”. On Covid19, much of the “sponsored content” is from people who wish to promote panic in order to enhance fund raising. Ask yourself, if someone who is schnorring told you not to worry about something, will that make you more or less likely to give money to him to take care of what he just told you isn’t worrisome.

    #1923725

    Quayboardwarrior
    Firstly, the grammar is irrelevant to the claims. Perhaps it was done intentionally to attract the attention of the left wing media. It worked perfectly.
    Secondly, in general, one can KNOW there is fraud even if there is no “evidence” to hold up in court. For example, if across america, there was 100% voter turnout, you KNOW that is impossible and clearly a result of fraud. Doesn’t mean there is necessarily irrefutable evidence. So yeah, due to many mathematical irregularities and impossibilities, every honest person understands there was fraud committed. Does that mean that the evidence would hold up in court? Read the lawsuits and decide for yourself.

    #1923726
    charliehall
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    Three Republican appointed appeals judges just shot down the lastest Trump appeal.

    This has nothing to do with the media. This has to do with the fact that Trump has no case and he has incompetent lawyers.

    #1923764
    Tachles1
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    @yserbius123
    We all know that NEWSMAX and OANN are 100% lefty liberal communist news sources because they have disagreed with סופר טראמפ at least once.

    #1923917
    yytz
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    Didn’t anyone notice that Trump has been spouting baseless conspiracy theories since before he was president? For example, Birthergate. It’s no different now. Don’t be a fool.

    It’s also easy to prove that Trump lies multiple times almost every single times he speaks. Neutral facts checkers routine document numerous proven lies in a single speech.

    Many politicians occasionally make misstatements but Trump obviously makes up things off the top of his head, or repeats some conspiracy theory that he read from some anonymous tweet. That’s just his personality.

    Also due to his personality, it was widely (and correctly!) predicted that he would refuse to concede, because his narcissism keeps him from doing anything but bragging about his supposed victories. He claimed there was fraud before even looking at evidence, and he paid people to find it and yet they still haven’t found any.

    #1923925

    Yytz “neutral fact checkers”😂😂😂What, like snopes???😂😂
    It’s a joke! Trump says “i built the best economy…” , “fact checkers” count that as a lie, and similar meaningless statements ….All that is important is Trump did what he said he’ll do UNLIKE your standard politician! He is an unapologetic conservative, and he pushed his conservative policy -THAT is precisely why you and the left hate him so much. Politicians don’t make “misstatements”. They lie about what they’re supposedly gonna do to gain your vote. Not trump. Don’t talk about conspiracy theories when you guys own the spygate, Russia hoax, impeachment hoax….
    And perhaps you should read the lawsuits, they’re pretty easy to find online, and I can’t post them here. You don’t who I don’t hear barking? The statisticians on the left. They know.

    #1923941
    yytz
    Participant

    So you’re claiming every single fact-checking website is part of the liberal conspiracy?

    Do some research. Most fact-checkers are non-partisan and debunk the right and left alike.

    Spend a few minutes looking at any fact-checker website. You’ll find dozens of proven lies by Trump in seconds.

    It is completely ludicrous to deny that Trump is a pathological liar, far beyond any other contemporary American politician.

    Think about frum Jews’ politics before Trump. Were we into far-right conspiracy theories, and the politicians who embraced them?

    No, we mainly supported mainstream Republicans like Bush I and II who had more-or-less normal middos, acted in a “presidential” manner and lacked any obvious personality disorders.

    #1923976
    ujm
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    Virtually all the so-called “fact checkers”, whether Snopes or others from the mainstream media outlets, are far left-wing falsifiers attempting to discredit conservative facts and give credibility to leftist falsehoods.

    #1924298
    charliehall
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    ““fact checkers” count that as a lie”

    It was. Objectively. The best the US economy ever has been was when Lyndon Johnson was President. Oh, and he balanced the budget, too.

    #1924299
    charliehall
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    “one can KNOW there is fraud even if there is no “evidence” to hold up in court.”

    I can KNOW that you eat bacon cheeseburgers even though there is no “evidence” to hold up in court.

    “For example, if across america, there was 100% voter turnout”

    There wasn’t

    #1924301
    charliehall
    Participant

    “He is an unapologetic conservative, and he pushed his conservative policy ”

    No he isn’t. He is a bigoted nativist racist licentious promiscuous lying cheating business fraudster narcisist snowflake who is melting down because America decide it cared about morality.

    And his policies aren’t conservative either. Conservatives used to want free trade, high levels of immigration, limited government regulation, and clean government. Trump has given us trade wars, immigration bans, government dictates on business conduct, and more scandals and corruption than any President since Harding. And unlike Harding, Trump is *personally* benefitting from the corruption.

    It is a Chilul HaShem that anyone claiming to be religious can support this. It degrades Orthodox Judaism in the minds of the world when non-frum people and non-Jews see that we support such a rasha. Those who support him have turned their backs on the Torah.

    And now you make it worse by endorsing Trump’s attempt to overturn a free and fair election. Orthodox Jews Oppose American Democracy. Have you no sense of gratitude for all the good that America has given Jews that you want to overturn its elections to keep such a rasha in charge? You are giving ammunition to the anti-Semites, and in this case the anti-Semtism would be justified.

    And you know that everything I wrote is true. You just can’t admit you are wrong. It is okay. Tshuvah is available at any time.

    #1925055
    a pashute yid
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    if his polocies are not conservative why would the conservatives vote for him? and you say that how can a frum person support him. can you explain the thank you letter from all the gedolei hador to president trump,btw obama did not get one thank you letters to presidents from the gedolei hador are reserved for good presidents.

    and all those post earlier trashing trump not one of you brought facts to prove your points no different then cnn

    #1925251
    jackk
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    A Pashute Yid,
    “obama did not get one thank you letters to presidents from the gedolei hador are reserved for good presidents.”

    That is not my understanding of the shita of the gedolim on writing thank you letters. It also does not sound like the Torah’s hashkafa.

    #1925256
    commonsaychel
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    @Jackk, You are wrong, hakoros hatov is very much a torahdiker haskafer, I am a close friend of the driver of Reb Moshe and he told me Reb Moshe use to write thank you notes all the time

    #1925266
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    The one who slammed the door on R Moshe’s hand?

    #1925279
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @ Dass, not to my knowledge, he is a an extremely successful businessman theses day, if you know the MTJ people you know who i am talking about

    #1925304
    jackk
    Participant

    @commonsaychel, That is exactly what I meant. I am not sure how it was misinterpreted.
    I meant that it is not a torahdige hashkafa to say that ,” thank you letters to presidents from the gedolei hador are RESERVED FOR GOOD PRESIDENTS.”

    #1925327
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @jackk, for someone to get thanks they must do something to deserve that thanks, to the best of my knowledge this was the first time that gedolim wrote such a letter of thanks.
    PS my Grandfather ztl was a member of the Rabbis march to Washington and Roosevelt yemach shemo refused to meet them.

    #1925370
    jackk
    Participant

    @commonseychel,
    You are saying that it is a torah hashkafa to not thank a president or person that helped you and deserve thanks because they are not “good” ?
    And Trump is the only president to be “good”?
    And thanks can only come in a public letter signed by gedolim ?

    #1925409
    commonsaychel
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    Jackk, obviously the Gedolim felt the Trump took the needs of what the Gedolim felt was important to a whole other level hence the letter.

    #1925620
    jackk
    Participant

    @commonseychel,

    The letter has a sponsor. (In fact every letter that gets Gedolim’s signatures has a sponsor.) The sponsor is the driving force behind the actual letter and is responsible for getting the signatures.
    Rabbi Moshe Margareten shlit”a was the driving force behind the letter.
    He loves doing good things for klal yisrael and he felt that the letter was a good thing and succeeded. He deserves tremendous credit for it.

    But I am not sure that this defines a shita of the Gedolim.

    #1925625
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    for 90% of the Gedolim they think long and hard before they put a signature to something, in this case being that the letter was in English and went to the President I am sure they weight all the pros and cons, I am sure if Moshe Margetten would have asked them to sign a letter that the federal government should dictate the secular education to be taught in the yeshivas he would have been shown the door.

    #1925639
    a pashute yid
    Participant

    very interesting

    #1925680
    Gadolhadorah
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    In the spirit of hakoros hatov, more than half of the invitees to the annual WH chanukah party have sent their regrets. Well known Trump supporters such as Harvard law professor/Fox News afficiando Alan Dershowitz have declined to attend, most citing concerns over the Covid virus infections at recent WH events. There are some true believers such as Mort Klein (ZOA) who are willing to take the risk and others have until tomorrow to RSVP.

    #1925705
    jackk
    Participant

    If Rabbi Margareten hadn’t walked in to them, none of them would have run after him.

    #1925733
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    And therefore….? I never saw anyone asking a Godol to sign a thank you for a president before.

    #1925773
    a pashute yid
    Participant

    any other nonsense that you have to say?

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