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LB, yes. That is what happened to Cain. That is why he is not listed among the descendants of Adam haRishon (Bereisheet ch. 5).
Random, Rambam disagrees with you.
Dor, “weather in relation”. It depends on which way the wind is blowing (I think that you meant “whether”).
Crawley, they are the occupiers. Jordan is Palestine (and the Jordanians are occupying our Ever haYarden). They are the ones who send their children to commit suicide attacks. I suggest sending some to the UK in exchange for the Jews living there under Sharia patrols.
Trump is an ohev Yisrael ben ohev Yisrael. The fact that the Clinton crime family soldiers are combining with the sour grapes crowd says a great deal. The best (or worst) are the shrinks who diagnose Trump without having ever met him, let alone examined him.
1. It is not necessary to forcibly transfer anyone. Most Arabs in Yehuda v’ Shomron and 80% in Gaza have admitted that they would leave if they could. Many more probably would but won’t admit it. An international resettlement fund could be set up to pay them to relocate to countries that need immigrants with money (Germany, for example, still needs 800,000 workers). Those Arabs who hold Israeli citizenship state privately that they are not crazy enough to prefer to live in an Arab state. Even in public they scream whenever Lieberman talks about giving the PA the Triangle in exchange for settlement blocs.
2. What about our Ever haYarden?
3. Akuperma, you are forgetting the successful double transfer between Greece and Turkey following the Greco-Turkish War following WW1. There are approximately 1 million Jews in Europe and 1.5 million in the PA (their statistics have been shown to be greatly exaggerated). That would be a fair exchange.
Gavriel, not to mention reversing a seventy year injustice and recognizing Yerushalayim as our capital as well as defunding our enemies.
Rambam (Guide 1:7) says that this is the definition of a ืฉื. According to Psychology this would seem to be the definition of a psychopath. Rav Ephraim Sprecher quoted Rav Soloveichik as saying that if you see someone who has no human feelings, like a Hitler or Stalin ym”s, you can be sure that he is one of them.
Here in Israel the temperature is the same as on the East Coast. Just that there is a “C” rather than an “F” after the number.
Neville, the problem starts when he tells you that he always lies.
Both the Chatam Sofer and Rav Ovadia say that the evil eye only works id\f someone thinks it does as with pairs (Pesachim 110a). Moroever, statistically we are all somehow descended from Yosef.
ROC,
1. Please produce evidence for your contentions. If you do not you will be convicted of hotzaat shem ra and sentenced to obtain forgiveness.
2. Even if you are correct, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
3. I looked up Crawley on Google. It does not seem to be a particularly Jewish community. In fact there is only one “shul”, which is called “Liberal”. Am I correct in presuming that that is the UK version of Reform? If so, how do you justify living there rather than in Israel,
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll’s amusement. (Wikipedia)
So it is irrelevant if the troll believes what he writes or not.
Are we going to start rehashing the three non-oaths (why, BTW, also involve the other nations) again? It seems that I will have to re-post four hundred times.
1. The pasukim cited refer to the kelei hamikdash, not the people.
2. They are aggadata. Aggadata cannot be understood literally (Rambam, Intro. to Perek Chelek).
3. They are not brought down in any of the codes.
4. According to Rav Chaim Vital they were only for 1,000 years (Inro. to Sefer Etz Chaim 8).
5. According to Rav Meir Simcha the San Remo conference repealed them as the other nations agreed.
6. According to Rav Soloveichik (Kol Dodi Dofek) Hashem has called.
7. The other nations violated their oath not to persecute us too much on several occasions (Crusades, Chmielnitzky massacres, pogroms, Petlura massacres, Holocaust). Thus, the deal is off (Sotah 10a with Rashi dโh huchal shevuato shel Avimelech and Shulchan Aruch YD 236,6).Actually these laws are found in Horiot 13a:
ืืชื ื’ ืืืืฉ ืงืืื ืืืฉื ืืืืืืช ืืืืฉื ืืืื ืืืืฉื ืงืืืืช ืืืืฉ ืืืกืืช ืืืืืฆืื ืืืืช ืืฉืื ืืืื ืฉืฉื ืืื ืขืืืืื ืืงืืงืื ืืืืฉ ืงืืื ืืืฉื:ืื’ ืช”ืจ ืืื ืืื ืืืืื ืืจืื ืืฉืื ืืื ืงืืื ืืจืื ืืจืื ืงืืื ืืืืื ืืื ืงืืืืช ืืืืื ืืื ืงืืื ืืืื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืฉืืช ืืื ืื ื ืืืืฆื ืื ืืื ืืฉืจืื ืฉืืช ืื ืืฉืจืื ืจืืืื ืืืืืืช ืืื ืงืืื ืืืื ืืืื ืฉื ืืืจ (ืืืืื ื ื, ืื) ืืืืืจ ืืืื (ืืืืื) [ืืื] ืงืื ืขืืื (ืื ื) ืขืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืื’ ืืื ืืืื ืงืืื ืื ืืื ืฉื ืืืจ (ืืืืื ื ื, ืื) ืืืฉื ืืืชื ืฉื ืฆืืืง ืืืื ืื ืชื ืื ืืื ืืงืืื ืฆืืืง ืื ืชื ืืืืืจ (ืืืจืื ื, ื) ืฉืืข ื ื ืืืืฉืข ืืืื ืืืืื ืืชื ืืจืขืื ืืื’ ืืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืื ืช”ื (ืืืจืื ื, ื) ืื ืื ืฉื ืืืคืช ืืื ืืืื ืืืคืช ืืื ื ืืื ืฉื ืืืจ (ืืืจืื ืื, ื) ืื ืชื ืืืื ืืืช ืื ืืืคืช ืืฉืื ืืฉืื ืืืฉืื ืงืืื ืืืจืืื ืืืืื ืืจืืื ืืืืื ืงืืื ืืืฉืื ืฉืขืืจ ืืืืช ืงืจืื ืืฉืื ืฉืขืืจ ‘ ืืืืช ืงืจืื ืงืืื ืืขืืจ ืืืืช ืืืื ืขืืจ ืืืืช ืืืื ืงืืื ืืืฉืื ืืืืื ืืฉืื ืืืืื ืงืืื ืืกืื ืกืื ืงืืื ืืืืจืื ืืื ืืืจืื ืืืจ ืจื ืืกืื ืืืจ ืืืื ืืืจืื ืงืืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืจ ืงืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืฉืืจ ืจืืฉ ืืฉืืจ ืงืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืช ืื ืจืืฉ ืืืช ืื ืงืืื ืืืื ืืืืื ืืืืขืื ืืื ืืขื ืื ืืืืื ืกืื ืืืฉืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืงืืื ืืืจ ืืจ ืืืืจื ืืจืื ืืจื ื ืืื ืช”ืฉ ืืชื ืื ืกืื ืืืฉืื ืืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืืื ืืืจื ืืคืืข ืืื ืืช ืืฆืื ืืืื ืฉืืืื ืืฉืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืื ืกืื ืฉืื ืืืจืข ืื ืคืกืื ืืืื ืืืื ื ืื ืก ืืกืื ืืืฉืืฉ ืชืืชืื ืืืชื ืื ืืฉืื ืืืืื ืงืืื ืืกืื ืืืจ ืจืืื ื ืื ืชื ืื ืืืื ืืืืืืชื:
So we see that sometimes a man comes first and sometimes a woman comes first. There is also an order among men. Rambam indeed says that the reason a man is saved before a woman is that he has more mitzvot. However, according to Rashba it is a gezerat haktuv. That is to say, Hashem decided that this is the order (and there must be some order) and that is that,
A woman sat next to an Ashkenzai rosh yeshiva on a bus. He moved and there was a big argument. The next day she sat next to a Sephardi rosh yeshiva. Hedidn’t move nadshe got off at the next stop disappointed. When asked about it he said “Hu rav. Ani chacham”.
BTW, in Germany there was a designation “Chaver” which YU revived forty years ago. I heard about someone who insists on being called to the Torah as “ben haChaver”.
CTL, I do not understand how a frum Jew can be a social liberal. Being a scial liberal means supporting toeva “marriage”, forcing bakers to bake cakes congratulating them, banishing religion from public life even if it a general monotheistic statement, “no” to school chocie legislation, etc. I do hope, however, that you follow other Americans into retirement in EY soon.
Mentsch, maybe you should not be makpid on maaser kesafim. According to some opinions it is only middat chassidut. Even according to the machmirs it only applies to income after expenses.
As usual it depends on whose ox is gored. Those who are fleecing the taxpayers with “entitlement” (who says that they are entitled anyway) will lose as will those living in huge estates and consequently pay high property taxes. Rubashkin, who received an inordinately stiff sentence (he was not pardoned but his sentence was commuted) due to the judicial and prosecutorial misconduct gains. Hopefully Pollard who was sentenced so severely due to Cap Weinberger’s lies and whose religious rights continue to be violated will be next. Israel is, of course, the big winner. I think that this makes him am ohev Yisrael (son of an ohev Yisrael). MAGA
Kolelman, women were not saved from the Syrian Greeks?
Chabadshlucha, I doubt evry much that Golda’s children needed her. She was 71 when she was elected PM. Both of her children were in their 50s.
Regarding the topic of this thread, while the MIshna Berura says that wives and daughters do not light separately Rav Soloveichik held like the Machaziut HaShekel that they should (at least Askenaziot).
Yanky, populist rhetoric is used by any cynical politician thinks it will improve his position (@my LBJ was also a cynical politician – he used the “n” word saying that the Civil Rights Act would have blacks voting Democrat for 200 years). Thus, there is left-wing populism (e.g. Black Lives Matter) and right-wing populism.
What makes you think that you are great enough to be Bitul?
CTL,
1. I take it that your BA is not in American History. Henry Wallace was the leader of the left wing of the Democratic Party and candidate of the pink American Labor Party in 1948 (he broke with Truman over the Cold War). Strom Thurmond ran on the Dixiecrat ticket. This, IMHO, was great for the Jews as Truman’s precarious position in an election year (besides the double split he was a back-door President and jeered as a failed haberdasher and machine politician).
2. It is utter nonsense that conservatives wanted to keep Jews and blacks from voting. Moreoevr, as I previously noted, the biggest fighter against antisemitism in modern America was William Buckley (and BTW, the liberal avoda zara FDR was an antisemite who failed to lift a finger to help Jews until it was almost too late).
3. Rav Soloveichik also decried the expulsion of religion from the public schools and blamed it for crime in the streets. Rabbi Jonathan Sacks has also decried the “wall of separation”. So instead America now has a quasi-religion of liberalism complete with the burning (so dar at least not literal) of heretics at the stake (ask Aaron and Melissa Klein, former owners of Sweet Cakes By Melissa).
4. How did the Republicans prevent Jews from buying homes? In any case, it was better for the Jews when people lived in ethnic neighborhoods. Even those who stopped observing most mitzvot remained culturally Jewish and did not intermarry.
SHY, you are correct regarding American conservatism. In fact, Orthodox Jews are taking an increasing role in American conservative politics. However, “conservative” is a relative term. Brezhnez and Co., for example, were right described as conservatives. Historically European conservative parties have at least bordered on antisemitism. This was also true of some on the American right pre-William Buckley, who purged them from the conservative movement. Of course, once classical liberalism became established those who supported it came to be considered conservative.
As for property, after the beracha it is ours. Indeed, Chazal say that one who steals someone’s property steals his soul. According to Rav Kook the Torah bars selling nachalot permanently because just as Am Yisrael is spiritually connected to Eretz Yisrael and can only flourish here so too is the relationship of an individual Jew to his nachala. This is so strong that according to Kabbala is Reuven dies owing money to Shimon and Shimon does not forgive him (the power to forgive shows that it is his) they both have to keep coming back until the debt is paid.
CTL,
1. When the Steipler was a bachur he had to travel a long distance by train fora shidduch (I very much doubt that they met in a nice restaurant). He had a suspicion that the seats were shatnez so he stood all the way. As a result he dozed during the meeting and she rejected him.
2. How do reconcile “educating” someone to earn a “good living” with Hashem’s control of parnassa? Is making a great deal of money more important than a satisfying job?
3. If part of the job of a junior attorney is to lunch with clients you are correct. If not, who cares? BTW, I had a co-worker who was dating a Swiss woman. They had an argument over on which side of the plate to put the knife and which side to put the fork as apparently there is a difference in this between Europe and America. Maybe it would havebeen better if they went over Sarah Jackman.
Litvishechossid, in fact the Zohar predicted that the gates of wisdom would open up in 5600. Apparently it was not time beforehand. As for the age of the world, it depends on when you start the count. Onkelos says that after Hashem created Adam HaRishon he gave him the power of speech. The earliest writings found date back to about 5,100 years ago. It stands to reason that language did not start until not long before (in historical terms).
Litvishechossid, once in NY I some a woman to an nice restaurant which also had a show being that it was Motzash. She complained that I took her by subway as I did not have a car. I wanted to tell her that I took her in a train. I should have pointed out that a subway car cost about $1 million.
CTL,
1. What about people who do not have so much money?
2. Being with the wrong person can ruin your meal.Of course, it is also possible that “riding” does not have the same connotation that “ืจืืืืช” had for Rabbenu Chananel.
What about riding bicycles? That way they will have to be shomer negia. In deference to those who think that saying that she is riding a bicycle is like saying that she is riding a donkey we can call it sitting on moving bicycle.
There was one where they were Arab terrorists. The CIA agent who discovered it was really Jewish but had been raised as a gentile by his father and his father’s non-Jewish second wife. The first wife was a victim of vicious lashon hara in the frum community, which was the spiritual cause of the plot’s near-success (this was ascertained by a group of mekubbalim who also revealed the agent’s true identity).
DY, Rav Ovadia very much enjoyed listening to Arabic music. For a discussion of the different opinions you can hear “Ten Minute Halacha – Listening to Secular Music” (actually it’s about sixteen minutes) by Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz.
Neville, outside the Medina’s borders have a lesser degree of protection. Thus, when David HaMelech fled to Gat, which was under the rule of Plishtim, he said that he was expelled from Hashem’s inheritance (Shmuel Alef 26:19).
Winnie, according to I what I heard Rav Soloveichik did not sing zemirot at all. Do you think that he was not a committed Jew? The Gra and the CS spoke about musicology, not necessary being a bundle of emotion. In fact, David HaMelech was punished for calling divrei Torah zemirot
(Sotah 35a). Rav Kook explains that zemirot come from the heart whereas shirot come from the intellect. There is a well-known statement (which the Baal HaTanya also brings) that a person is divided into three parts: moach (intellect), lev (emotions) and kaved/klayot (desires and imagination). If the intellect rules the emotions and the emotions rule the desires and imagination he is a melech. If the the emotions are on top he is Lemech. If it is totally reversed he is kelem (embarassment).
As for Carlebach, the fact of the mater is that most gedolei Yisrael discouraged going to his concerts for well-known reasons.Syag, please do not feed the troll.
LB, you can correct them and refuse to answer to the mispronunciation. As for local pronunciation, people should be aware of differences. Growing up in NYC I knew that it was How-stin St. but Yoo-stin TX. Then there was Lon Guyland and Hizzoner Da Mayuh.
The version I heard has a chain going back to Rav Chaim of Volozhin that the Jews in America will never be persecuted as Jews. Of course, it does not mean that they will not be persecuted for some other reason, as were many leftist Jews in Argentina. It also begs the question of the self-holocaust being perpetrated.
Ubitquin,
1. you protested what you consider to be an attempt to destroy Jewish Creole German so obviously you want to preserve it.
2. Rabaul Creole German a.k.a. Unserdeutsch (“Our German”) is a German-based creole language that originated in Papua New Guinea. It was formed among the New Guinean children residing in a German-run orphanage in what was then German New Guinea. About 100 native speakers survive today, most of whom migrated to Australia after Papua New Guinea’s independence in 1975. (Wikipedia)
3. I ask out of curiosity.
4. I was comparing spending time and effort on learning Jewish Creole German (a.k.a. Jargon) and Standard German.
5. Yes I do put thought into my comments. Do you?Random, here is a quote: “relative isolation from the world around”. Of course, “relative” is relative. Someone who goes to a day school is isolated relative to someone who goes to a public school.
Ubitquin, why is it a noble effort to maintain Jewish Creole German? Should Rabaul Creole German also be maintained? It is totally useless except to historians and anthropologists. It would be far better to learn Hochdeutsch considering the economic power of German-speaking countries.
So I guess Rambam and all of the other Rishonim who embraced Philosophy were MO. Not to mention Rabbenu Bachye and the Gra, who said that one cannot be called wise if he is not conversant with the seven fields of secular wisdom. Not to mention David HaMelech, who joined the army at a very young age. What does Rav Lopiansky have to say about boys who simply are not built for full-time learning? Should they be join the Shabab haChareidi (street kids who live in and prey on the Chareidi community)?
Come home to Israel in any case.
Winnie, the Galut is a blessing? So why daven to come back to EY (assuming that you do not omit it)?
Neville, you have not answered my question. What difference does it make to the victim if he is killed by a terrorist, a nut or a common criminal? If you want numbers, the intentional homicide rate for the most recent year surveyed in Israel 1.36 vs. 4.88 in the US. Israel also had a lower rate than France, Canada and Belgium.
Neville ,
1. That is how it started in Germany and Poland (although there they told Jews to go to “Palestine”). The fact of the matter is that there is a climate of fear on American campuses. A tenured professor at CT College, Andrew Pessin, was forced to leave after he received death threats over his protest of Hamas war crimes.
2. That certainly is connected to this thread. How is America safe for Jews if there is rampant assimilation (in fact, it is not inconceivable that those who refuse to date non-Jews will be ostracized as racists).
3. What is the difference tot he victim if he is killed by a political terrorist, a crazed gunman or a common criminal? The fact of the matter is that the intentional homicide rate in Israel is much lower than in America.Effie, Chazal only forbade insulting nicknames. However, they themselves used diminutives. For example, Yossi ben Yoezer’s name was actually Yosef (Avoda Zara 37a).
DWKL1, actually the quote is from Ovadia HaNavi. As for the others, I suggest that they read Em HaBanim Semeicha. Rav Teichtal realized that their anti-Zionism was tragically wrong and wrote that the holocaust was caused by the sin of the spies, which we see in this thread..
Neville, you apparently know very little about what is going on outside your block. American and Canadian campuses are hotbeds of anti-Semitism. Europe is reeling from one terror attack after another. Jews in Paris are attacked in their own homes. Meanwhile Jews are intermarrying in record numbers.
Spread, Ravitzky is a member of the leftist “Neemnei Torah v’Avoda” group that comes very close to being Conservative. Take a look at their website. However, that just proves my statement that the RZ movement is not monolithic.
HaLeiVi.
1.Here is the rundown (some are approximate):
Shekiya: Ramban makes aliya and renews Jewish sttlement
Netz : The Gra begins to learn Kabbala and advocate settling the Land
Sof zeman KS: Rav Kook is born
Sof zeman tefilla: Rav Kook makes aliya and begins to write on the Geula
Sof zeman b”c The State is established, Rav Tzvi Yehuda begins to teach
Chatzot: Secular Zionism effectively ends with the Oslo agreements
We are now in Mincha Gedola2. Any ideology is by definition divisive as there are those who hold by it and those who don’t.
3. What is “insider logic” and opposed to outsider logic?