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CTlawyer,
2. Use of laws to enforce discrimination is another matter. I was referring to homeowners who do not want to sell to Jews. However, in the end, as George Jefferson said, there is no white power or black power, only green power. The fact of the matter is that there was a tremendous movement of Jews to the suburbs after WW2. Jews, as Milton Friedman points out in “Capitalism and Freedom” have flourished under free enterprise. If they were excluded from the fraternity or sorority they started their own. If they were excluded form the country club they started their own. If they were excluded from Big Law they started their own firms or went into public service. The free choice door swings both ways.
3. Secular law cannot override Halacha except in some areas of dinei mamanot where that is part of the Halacha. For example, if the US would ban berit mila it would be incumbent on Jews to disobey. If you say differently than you are making an idol out of the lawmakers. Of course, aliya is the best answer anyway but not everyone is able, at least not on the spur of the moment.
4. I was referring to Jewish Communists in America.
5. I never wrote that Trump embodies Jewish values. He also does not have to. Only Bnei Noach values. Hillary certainly does not. In any case ,the question this year is not who is better but who is worse. Of course, if the FBI recommends indicting her than the ballgame changes completely. Her “adopted daughter” Huma Abedin said tjat she would be terrified if she were in Hillary’s shoes.
CTlawyer., FYI, the Halacha sometimes requires us to discriminate. For example, a Jew who has his own business must prefer Jews in hiring. On the other hand, if the business must be open on Shabbat and Yom Tov he must seek a gentile partner. As foir neighborhoods, I personally do not understand why a Jew would want tol ive among anti-Semites. Besides, there was far less assimilation when people lived in tethnic neighborhoods. Even Jewish Communists married other Jews. Not to mention that “equal opportunity” laws gave rise to Affirmative Action – the exact opposite. So too, gay “rights” is giving way to government compulsion to participate in these “weddings”.
In any case, it is instructive to read the words of Ludwig von Mises, himself the victim of anti-Jewish discrimination:
Elsewhere he writes:
“The market does not directly prevent anybody from arbitrarily inflicting harm on his fellow citizens; it only puts a penalty upon such conduct. The shopkeeper is free to be rude to his customers provided he is ready to bear the consequences. The consumers are free to boycott a purveyor provided they are ready to pay the costs. What impels every man to the utmost exertion in the service of his fellow men and curbs innate tendencies toward arbitrariness and malice is, in the market, not compulsion and coercion on the part of gardeess, hangmen, and penal courts; it is self-interest.”
As for questionable business dealings, what about all of the Clintons’ dealings? Not to mention the fact that Hillary was fired from the Watergate committee for unethical behavior. was an accomplice to the murder of American diplomats, etc. edited
Akuperma, actually many Chareidim are going into hi-tech. Their Gemaar heads make them perfect for it. The secular are also becoming more and more interested in Judaism. Rosh Yehudi gives lectures in the herat of secualr T.A. and HaShomer HaTzair kibbutzim are opening shuls,
Mdd, Rambam says at the end of Hilchot Melachim:
???? ???? ?????, ???????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????, ??????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????, ????? “???? ???? ????? . . .” (????? ?,?). ???? ??? ???? ?????, ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ???, ????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????: ??? ??? ???? “????? ?????? ??? . . . ?? ???? ????, ?????? ???????” (???? ?,??). ??? ???? ????? ????? ???????? ????????, ???????? ??????. ????? ????? ????? ??? ???????, ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?????. ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??? ???–????? ??? ?????? ??????, ?????.
?? ????? ??????? ??????? ???? ?????–?? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ??? ????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????? ???? ?????, ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??????: ??? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ??????, ??? ???? ??? ???? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ???, ??? ??????? ?????? ?????.
?????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ?? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??????–?????? ???? ?????? ????, ??? ??????? ?????? ????. ??? ???? ??? ?? ?????, ??? ???? ?? ?’ ????. ?????? ???? ????? ??????, ??????? ????? ??????? ???????; ?????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????, ????? “?? ???? ????, ??? ?? ?’, ????, ??? ?????” (?????? ??,?).
MW, some Jews will be considered “uberyidden” because they really are, either because of yi??us (cohanim and levi’im) or because of superior Torah wisdom.
It could be that there will still be questions regarding laws and monetary disputes butthey will be resolved peacefully by battei din with losers accepting defeat gracefully. Work will either be done my gentiles or by robots (the navi only says “others”).
CTlawuer, a liberal in the American context (the European/Israeli context it is more like a libertarian) is someone who wants integrated schools in Mississippi, integrated neighborhoods in Mississippi (remember the Forest Hills controversy in NYC) and freely spends other people’s money. Clinton is worse than an opportunist. She is a liar, a crook, and an enemy of Jewish rights to all of Eretz Yisrael. She was also an incompetent Sec of State who was complicit in the murders of American diplomats in Benghazi. Trump is definitely not a conservative (see Russell Kirk’s “Ten Conservative Principles”) and I have many problems with his campaign but at least his Mideast advisers have close ties to the settlement movement. As a successful businessman he hopefully will be able to pick the right people for the right jobs, delegate powers and be a great communicator.
Rav Chaim Brisker said that it is preferable, and much more difficult, to live for kidddush Hashem.
Akuperma, actually the Chareidim are already moving. Young Chareidim are joining the IDF (hence the increasing shrillness and even violence of the die-hard extremists) and the general economy. The moetzet chochmei ha trah of UTJ approved, albeuit grudgingly, sitting in the government (actually Aguda was in the first government but then they hardened their stance).
On the other hand, the RZ are becoming more oriented towards learning and are establishing NGOs and holding yamei iyun on how to run a state according to Torah. I heard from Rav Yeshayahu Shteinberger in the names of Rav Kook and Rav Soloveichik that this is the nevua of Yehezkel regarding the union of Yehuda’s stick with Yoseph’s stick/ Yehuda, who established a state within a state in Goshen represents the Chareidim and Yoseph, who was an integral part of the government, represents the RZ.
The demographics state that Israel’s future is bright. The first flowering of our redemption continues to flower.
Health, actually not having a state might be after Mashiach. According to Rambam eevryone will keep Torah without coercion so it would seem that we will be able to have anarcho-capitalism.
Churchill defended his support for Stalin ym”s during WW2 by saying that if Hitler ym”s had invaded Hell he would have at least made a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons. After WW2 he was a staunch supporter of the Cold War.
In any case, there is no such thing as a wasted vote. It makes a statement, most importantly to Hashem. Otherwise, a Republican in a deep blue state or a Democrat in a deep red state should also stay home.
From “Penyanei Halacha” by Rav Eliezer Melamed
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???? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????, ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?????, ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ??????, ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?????. ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???, ???? ????? ?????, ??? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? (????? ?, ?; ??”? ???, ?).
????? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????. ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ?????. ???? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ???, ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???????, ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? (???’ ???”?, ?”? ???, ?).
It would seem that according to all opinions a ben Eretz Yisrael can do actions which are only prohibited d’rabbanan, especially if no one knows that he is a frum Jew. Thus, if you wear a baseball cap and keep your tzitziot inside you can probably take a cab driven by a goy to where you are staying (or even better, if feasible, take public transportation, as being that the majority are goyim we say that it runs for them).
“Mostly truthful” – she made 10 million statements in her life and 5 million + 1 were truthful (and those 5 million + 1 include correctly stating her name, stating that Chelsea is her daughter, etc.).
Not to mention, that as Sec of State she harangued Netanyahu for forty-five minutes for daring to build in Yerushalayim. On the other hand, Trump chose as advisers two people with close ties to the settler movement. Hopefully now that he has the nomination he will move more towards mainstream conservative positions. His choice of a running mate will say a great deal.
Dave, you are correct. I read some more about him after I posted.
What about Gary Johnson? At least he will leave religious people and Israel alone. Libertarians are very consistent – people can do what they want so long as they do violate someone else’s rights so one can do toeva but one can also discriminate against someone who does it (e.g. refuse to rent an apartment or take part in a “wedding”). The Libertarian Party platform states “We would end the current government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid, guarantees, and diplomatic meddling.” Morover, he has administrative experience as governor of New Mexico.
Not only the Syrians. Rav Aviner said that during the colonial period rich Jews fell in love with gentile French women and tried to pressure the rabbis into performing pro forma giurim so they made a blanket takkana. In some countries the rabbanim will not perform giurim because of possible friction with the authorities who see the state as bound up with the Catholic church.
Joseph, there are also young widows r”l. As for physical attributes, there are certain blemishes that can be a cause for divorce (see Even HaEzer 39:3 with Rambam Hilchot Biat HaMikdash ch. 8). However, love conquers all (Even HaEzer 154;2). BTW, sinister” is Latin for left-handed. On the other hand, Ehud was able to save Am Yisrael because he was left-handed.
Yehudayona, it is a machloket Rishonim if a cohen can marry the daughter of a ger and a gioret. The Mechaber paskens (Even HaEzer 7:21) to be machmir l’chatchila. This even continues for several generations (e.g. son of ger and gioret who marries gioret) until one parent is a Yisrael. Of course, if a black convert would marry a Yemenite or Malabari Jew the daughter would be black and eligible to marry cohanim according to all opinions and then there could be a black cohen.
Newbee, some families could use some color. Actually, some Ashkenazim are swarthy whereas some Sepharadim (particular from North Africa) are very fair-skinned.
DY, ask him if you can be exempt as when you are in the sukka you are thinking of his attitude and that makes you mitztaer. Ask him also how a Chassid can be mitztaer when he is supposed to always be b’simcha.
Abba, this is his exact wording:
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?? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ???
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It comes out that he does not explicitly say to wear them, only that that was the custom in his area. Rabbi Menachem Posner, the Staff Editor of chabad.org says that their minhag is not to wear them on Chol HaMoed. You can ask him about it yourself.
Mik,
1. Who says that it is a good minhag in our day? It originated because Jews were afraid to go outside on that night as Xtians got drunk after hearing fiery anti-Semitic sermons and they were too poor to have sefarim in their homes.
2. Someone who is mitzta’er is halachically exempt from sleeping in the sukka. This is, of course, subjective. I heard that they are mitzta’er because they cannot feel the or makif (@Neville).
3. You yourself wrote that this is only the ideal. However, it is legitimate not to do so. This is why someone who forgets “retzeh” in birkat hamazon does not have to go back.
DY, if you rearrange the letters of ????? you get ?????. Learn
“???? ?????” with mefarshim.
This almost always occurs in monetary matters. In other areas the psokim attempt to show that really the minhag is in consonance with the Halacha. The reason is that a person’s money is his. He has the right to give it away if he wishes. This is extended to communities. By being part of a community one accepts monetary obligations enacted by that community.
Zahavasdad, there is one about a fish store that advertised that its fish never ate chametz. A woman phoned and asked what they ate. The owner replied that they ate smaller fish. She asked if they ate them in the water. When he said “Of course” she told him that she was sorry but she was makpid on gebruchts.
I myself once saw a package of freezer bags that was labelled “glatt”. They were very smooth bags.
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???: ??? ????? ??? ????. ???? ??? ??????’ ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? (???? ????”? ?????? ???? ???????).
???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? (?”? ?????) ??? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ???? (?????? ?????).
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???: ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? (???”? ???? ?”?) ???? ????? ??? ???? ????. ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? (????? ????? ?”? ?????? ??????? ??? ??”? ??’ ????? ??? ???? ?’ ??? ???”?):
MW, so you are making a gezera on a minhag?
MW, you are correct (although it should be pointed out that Rav Yehiel of Paris disparaged it). However, it is also offensive, presumptuous, and frankly just ridiculous for anyone in any generation to look for chumrot on a minhag. Not an issue d’Oraita, not an issur d’rabbanan but a minhag. This is especially true when it comes up against issues like shelom bayit. In fact, I heard that Rav Zalman Baruch Melamed said that he would even go so far as to allow an Ashkenazi eating by a Sephardi to push aside the kitniyot and eat the rest of the food (on Shabbat push aside the non-kitniyot – don’t try to keep a minhag by doing a melacha d’Oraita).
Unfortunately, this has become a burning issue (someone once said that if “lo tignove” were a chumra on a minhag people would be completely honest) with the machmirs denigrating poskim who dare to rule leniently. The result is that many people decide that they cannot deal with almost everything being labeled “for those who eat kitniyot” despite major questions as to the halachic validity of this statement and decide to jettison the whole minhag.
health,
1. You and Erdogan make a nice couple. Actually turkey is very popular here although some claim that there is no messora.
2. In other words you could not think of one so you punted.
3. Why don’t you?
4. Several times when I pointed out to people that tey were over they told me thatt hey knew the Halacha. In other words, they were meizid.
Yekke, the author is Rabbi J. David Bleich (you can read the Wikipedia article on him yourself). In his article he quotes major poskim such as Rav Moshe. However, ain hachi nami, if he says “I want a pen for writing on Shabbat” you should not sell it to him unless he has a heter to write on Shabbat (e.g. he is a doctor). Howeevr, the mere fact that he is non-observant does not mean that he will use it b’issur. Maybe he will use another pen. Maybe before Shabbat comes in he will do teshuva.
Health,
1. Make aliya and work for change instead of sitting in galut backbiting.
2. Yes it is.
3. So maybe none of us really exists. We are all the same person, maybe not even Jewish, who is doing this for fun. The Chofetz Chaim says (torah.org.il Laws of Rechilut 1:9 translation)
It is also forbidden to help one’s friend deduce who spoke or did something against him even without revealing the name of the culprit. Whether to speak more generally, so that only later will his friend realize the identity of the speaker, or if the friend knows what happened but does not know who did it, to give him hints so the friend will deduce who it was, is prohibited.
So it turns on how much chance I have of finding out who Simcha is.
MW & Yekke, if the person can use the object in a permissible manner there is no problem (see “Contemporary Halachic Problems” v. 4 p. 101-104 available on-line). It could be that the examples you gave, MW, are special cases because of the intense temptation.
Health, by what right should gentiles be punished for riding on Shabbat? As for your post about Turkey, that really is a turkey. To be more exact, jive turkey.
How do you define “Orthodox or Yeshivish” clothing? Go to your neighbor and ask if you can take something off his clothes line. Otherwise checkout black suits on various websites. Just be warned that someone might mistake you for a lawyer.
health,
1. I already posted the Avnei Nezer’s statement. The king (or the secular authorities) do not deal with chillul Shabbat. The fact of the matter is that there are laws regarding working on Shabbat. These are accepted and acceptable as labor laws. If you want to do something constructive volunteer for a kiruv organization.
2. That is related to your complaint about Shabbat desecrates being given drivers’ licenses. Stop stonewalling and answer the question.
3. You are obviously a tremendous am ha’aretz. Rechilut is Health telling Avi that Simcha said something which could cause a quarrel between Avi and Simcha.
Health,
1. The cameras would only show that the car was driven. It would not show who drove it. What about rented, borrowed and stolen cars? In nay case, as I already posted twice previously, the Avnei Nezer says that it is not the job of the secular authorities (cf. Freddie Prinze’s super, Mr. Rivera).
2. The reward of having learned Torah is your payment. The witness will answer the question! Would you sell a pen to a non-observant Jew? Yes or no?
3. You were over on rechilut as I did not notice Simcha’s comment. You were also over on “b’tzedek tishpot amiteicha” as you did not presume that. Should we consider you religious?
Is that a reason to vote for someone? Vote for Cruz. He is a staunch supporter of Israel and traditional values.
Health,
1. So who is going to ticket them? A police office who is driving on Shabbat? Not to mention the fact that this will cause the driver to do more chillul Shabbat by stopping, starting, etc. Not to mention that it cause fatalities c”v people who are on missions of pikuach nefesh are stopped. Anyway, as I already posted, according to the Avnei Nezer this is not the government’s job.
2. You still have not answered my question. Would you sell a pen to a non-observant Jew?
3. Why are suggesting that I “jump on”? This is a very serious aveira. You are making yourself like the orchei din (see Mishlei 43:26).
Health, if you owned a stationary store would you refuse to sell to someone who might write on Shabbat? Would you take back his writing instruments if he did? FYI, there already is an incentive not to drive on Shabbat. Israel insurance companies give discounts to drivers who declare themselves shomrei Shabbat – and if they do drive they are not covered in case of an accident.
NeutiquamErro, how many times are you going to repeat that mantra? How many times will I have to explain the difference between a state and a government? As for your analogy between a person who commits abn aveira, in that case no one is religious (Kohelet 7:20). Indeed, Rav Kook (“March of the Camps”) decried these non-Jewish labels as they impede teshuva. The fact of the matter is that observance is a continuous distribution and always has been. How Hashem judges each individual is His calculation (see Rambam Hilchot Teshuva 3:1-2 and Rav Dessler, “Kuntras Nekudat HaBechira” in “Michtav MeEliahu”).
Neville, why do you only mention them. What about Rav Reines and Rav Kook? What about the fact that among the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Rav Maimon of the Mizrahi and Rav Levin of the Aguda?
The Bavli was redacted later and takes the Yerushalmi into account. This follows the general rule of halacha k’batra. Rambam, however, sometimes paskens like the Yerushalmi.
NeutiquamErro, I see that I will have to explain the difference between a government and a state four hundred times. Governments run the state in accordance with the constitution (a.k.a. regime). They come and go, as sometimes do regimes (take an course on the political history of France). In fact, I heard (although I also heard it denied but that’s the way it goes)that when Rav Tzvi Yehuda said both Hallel and selichot on Yom HaAtzmaut that fell on Behab he said “Hallel for the State, selichot for the government”. The government is half a glass. Government offices are closed on Shabbat, yamim tovim and in most cases even Chol HaMoed. The IDF and other governmental offices have kosher food. Today teh YWN tells us that the observant Police Commissioner sold the Police Dept.’s chametz. The President (who is traditional and raised a storm when he called Reform avoda zara)and IDF Chief of Staff do the same. So far as promoting toeva is considered, there are several toevot. One of them is dishonesty in business (Devarim 25:13-14). Would you call an otherwise observant person who is dishonest in business “religious”? Should he receive an honor in shul? What about someone who refuses to give his wife a get? What about someone who has some other yetzer hara problem such as a bad midda (Rav Chaim Vital says that that is worse than a bad action and the Ran says in his Fifth Derasha that it is worse than an ideological errorr, which is why Avraham insisted that Yitzchak’s shidduch come from Lavan’s family and not from the Canaanites. Is there anyone (besides yourself, of course) whom you do not posel?
I also note that you did not respond to my point about IDF officer candidates.
This trend is mirrored in Israel society as a whole as reported in the Jerusalem Post.