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commonsaychelParticipant
@amil, a broken clock is right two times a day
commonsaychelParticipant@Abba, You don’t need to be a lawyer to file a foil, you just ask for the records anyone can do it.
@n0m, you want my opinion on this? I think if your going to report on someone be prepared to have your name exposed so the people know all about you. If you cant handle that then don’t report your friends and neighborscommonsaychelParticipantand some people comment even if they are not old enough to vote
commonsaychelParticipantThe entire Washington state, the agency asked them to leave the contact information including emails, all of that is allowed under FOIL. some of the complaints were anonymous most were not
commonsaychelParticipantNo matter how many times you submit it, it ain’t going through – 29
May 10, 2020 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1859143commonsaychelParticipantn0m, are you asking out of the genuine desire to understand what is being discussed or do you want to give your opinion?
commonsaychelParticipant37 States opened in some way, cases are dropping and the busybodies are shutting up.
May 9, 2020 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858992commonsaychelParticipantInteresting the Court of Appeal in the 6th circuit came down with a ruling on Friday afternoon allowing unlimited access to houses of worship so long as they maintain social distancing, this is the highest level of review so far.
PS n0m when I was a teen I thought I knew all the answers and as the years past I saw how little I knew, nothing personal its just part of growing up.
May 8, 2020 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858907commonsaychelParticipantn0m, I will answer you in 15 years when you are no longer a teen with a teen state of mind
May 8, 2020 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858863commonsaychelParticipant@Redleg, n0m is a teen with no real life experience and no grasp of law, I would not take his comments seriously.
May 8, 2020 11:57 am at 11:57 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858780commonsaychelParticipant@charliehall, that is the gist of the whole case, the plaintiffs in the case Robinson and Knopfler are suing for what they see as governmental overreach, is it? it up a Judge to decide and it properly go to appeal and this is being fast tracked. this is what the Sixth Circuit Court Of Appeals wrote: ” The breadth of the ban on religious services, together with a haven for numerous secular exceptions, should give pause to anyone who prizes religious freedom,” the panel wrote,
In refence to your second comment, We are Jews and US citizens, we are afforded rights under the bill of rights and its amendments, Frum Jews are not whining they are exercising a right given in the US constitution. [if I remember right Charlie, you are a Canadian and therefore may not be familiar that US system].
In the Jacobson case it warned against arbitrary or oppressive regulations to be implemented, FYI this a 1905 case and during that time the courts were not very concerned about individual liberties, during that term the courts threw out laws allowing collective bargaining and limiting worker hours.
Judaism is about obligations, only a Rabbi know what obligation takes precedence over others. For that consult YOUR rov, and YOUR rov should pasken for YOU and YOU ONLY.
Some feel that if you are antibody positive and maintain social distance you can daven indoors, other feel the outdoor minyan is that way to go, others feel beyidus is the way to go, yet other feel that you need a secured a secure bunker in a island off the coast of New Zeeland.May 8, 2020 7:29 am at 7:29 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858635commonsaychelParticipantn0mesoah, The only part of the law where you need intent is in criminal law and this is a civil rights action
May 7, 2020 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858543commonsaychelParticipantHuh? how did we morph from a freedom of religion or more precisely a government overreach issue to paycheck???, totally lost you on that.
May 7, 2020 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858277commonsaychelParticipant@Milhouse I was always wondering about the genuine Calvin Klein and Gucci handbags for sale for sale for $20 on the streets of Manhattan, I just found out is a freedom of speech thing. LOL
commonsaychelParticipant@syag I didn’t bring any bias to my comment, my son and multiple nephews and nieces didn’t go to EY this year because of corona and guess what, we all managed just fine.
We managed with less and life went on.May 7, 2020 8:26 am at 8:26 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858167commonsaychelParticipantMilhouse
I stand corrected I read the MoL on the filing, and one of the case laws was the Police Case, it was not the primary case law but one of several of the minor ones.
I also think n0m know what legal standing means because standing was never in contentioncommonsaychelParticipantTake the 8-12 K that it cost and give three quarters of that the keren yesomim campaigns and with the remainder send her to a local one, people managed with simple weddings, bucherim can manage without the zman in EY and so can the sem girls.
One of the silver linings of covid 19 is that we discovered that we can make due with less.May 6, 2020 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857923commonsaychelParticipantFunnybone, The day Augudah puts out a letter the Yaakov Horowitz speaks for himself and not the rest of the community is the day is the day that Augudah put out the letter saying that this rabbi speaks for himself.
I found it a bigger embarrassment when a pediatrician from Brooklyn went on a crazy rant.May 6, 2020 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857920commonsaychelParticipantnOmesorah, After you earned your first pay check be sure lot let me know.
May 6, 2020 11:41 am at 11:41 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857671commonsaychelParticipant@charliehall, No, people are suing for governmental overreach, you can jump off an bridge anytime you desire and the bridge are pretty empty due to social distancing,
May 6, 2020 10:23 am at 10:23 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857654commonsaychelParticipantMilhouse, I think using the police case as a precedence case is pretty weak, the defendant will argue that police is lack of reasonable accommodations as opposed to discretion of emergency powers,
Don’t get me wrong I think the Robinson v Murphy is on solid ground but the police case is not a precedence,
Just my hunch, the state will offer a compromise rather then risk a TROcommonsaychelParticipant@milhouse
“most of his talmidim probably accept his pask”, well your not a talmid if you don’t follow your rebbis pask, and you wrote MOST and PROBARLY meaning that you don’t know for sure.
So I stand by what I said, no one besides him [ and “probably most” of his talmidim] hold this way.May 5, 2020 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857398commonsaychelParticipantJoesph,
One is the legal entity for example your driving down Route 42 and hit a pothole and cracked a rim [ CTL with prior notice etc etc] you can sue the state or the governmental agency.
If the elected official does something in his capacity of office like banning the worship then you sue the individual acting in his capacity not the state or municipal corporation.
CTL. Disclamer I forgot I have lawyers in the room and was not explicit enough in the description of the defendant. LOLMay 5, 2020 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857399commonsaychelParticipant@n0mesorah,
Sorry I don’t understand what your saying, please explainMay 5, 2020 8:43 am at 8:43 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857119commonsaychelParticipantMilhouse, I don’t you, where is the common denominator of Police v Newark and Robinson v Murphy
May 4, 2020 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1856796commonsaychelParticipantIn an effort to slow the spread of the coronavirus, every state in the United States has issued guidelines or orders limiting social interaction. But these rules don’t always apply evenly when it comes to in-person worship services and other religious gatherings.
In fact, only 10 states are preventing in-person religious gatherings in any form, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of recent state-level regulations. The list includes California, where a group of churches are suing Gov. Gavin Newsom in federal court over what they claim is a violation of their First Amendment right to free exercise of religion.Perhaps with such litigation in mind, most other states have carved out exemptions for religious gatherings in their stay-at-home orders or other directives in an attempt to balance religious freedom concerns with safe social distancing practices. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to recommend that gatherings of more than 10 people be canceled, while in gatherings that do take place, individuals should remain at least 6 feet apart at all times.
In some cases, states have deemed religious worship “essential,” in the same category as food shopping and health care. These states include Florida, South Carolina and Tennessee, among others.
Roughly a third of states (15) are allowing religious gatherings to continue without any limit on their size.
Twenty-two states and the District of Columbia have specified in their orders that religious gatherings can take place, but only if they are limited to 10 people or fewer. This includes Rhode Island, where gatherings are limited to no more than five people. Two additional states, Connecticut and Oregon, limit religious gatherings to 50 and 25 people, respectively. Kentucky, meanwhile, is prohibiting “mass gatherings” – including faith-based ones – but does not specify how many people constitute a mass gathering.commonsaychelParticipantRabbi Moredchai Telder said in public that the last few irgus moshes were colored by his interpretation of what reb moshe said not necessarily what he said, [meaning that he injected his own opinion] therefore I take the last few igrus moshe with a grain of salt
commonsaychelParticipantHuju we have 3 relevant questions, what the law is, if they don’t get legal clearance its a moot point.
2, can they get enough staff in time? open question
3. Will the children come if they are open? unknown
I know these are the questions they are dealing with because by brother in law runs one of the biggest camps in the catskillscommonsaychelParticipant@ubuition, what his son in law or grandson opinion is totally and completely irrelevant, do you quote R Aurbachs son in law opinion as his? how about Rav JB Soliviackis son in law. Do you quote Bar Ilan opinion as the Nitzivs opinion because he was his son?
May 3, 2020 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1856557commonsaychelParticipantCTL: State is being sued in federal court so the state does not need to waive in this case. I assume you have pacer access if you practice in federal courts, the action is Robinson v Murphy if you want to read up on the case.
@godal the plaintiff is seeking a TRO and a preliminary injunction against this, those cases are fast tracked and they get a ruling in a matter of days for the most part.
PS the same lawyer sued the Governor of Illinois [Cassell v Pritzker] for same reasons and the governor removed religious services from banned activities rather then go to court.May 3, 2020 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1856480commonsaychelParticipantnOmisorah, sorry its painfully obvious that your a teen, first graduate HS, graduate college, graduate law school pass the bar and then leave your comments
commonsaychelParticipantThere is a priest in North Caldwell NJ who is suing the State of NJ for closing houses of worships that can conduct services with social distancing, that law firm forced Illinois to allow services, I think that priest will win that suit.
commonsaychelParticipant@ coffee addict nothing to do with religion, everything to do this a quack medication
commonsaychelParticipantSorry If you expecting a refund from any yeshiva/ sem./ cheder I have a bridge to sell you
May 1, 2020 11:44 am at 11:44 am in reply to: Would you like me to say Kaddish for you (bli neder)? #1855874commonsaychelParticipantThe porch minyanim were paskined ok in Lakewood as long as they can see each other and keep social distaning, quite a number of rabbonim in Monsey, Brooklyn and Montreal allow porch minyan,
That being said its a very noble gesture on your partMay 1, 2020 8:17 am at 8:17 am in reply to: Set up a system to give the Chosson & Kallah a present. #1855755commonsaychelParticipantSorry wedding presents being the norm have gone the way of the manual typewriter, leaded gasoline and the rotary telephone
commonsaychelParticipant@Joseph all of the above
@millhouse, no one but him holds that way, the chosen, the two aidus and misadre kidusshin, that means 6 more people, not that hard to find 6 willing peopleApril 30, 2020 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1855597commonsaychelParticipant@rabbigreenstpan, it was a tongue in cheek comment, and you never answered my question
April 30, 2020 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1855513commonsaychelParticipant@ Rabbi Greenspan, My father was from the original kollel yungerlite in the first Kollel in the US [BME], my sons went thru the kollel system as did my son in law, all with partial support and a very simple lifestyle now they all work,. how familiar are you with the kollel system
April 30, 2020 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1855351commonsaychelParticipantYour Surmise it wrong, New Jersey is one of the most densely populated states, density=spread that all there is to it
April 30, 2020 10:05 am at 10:05 am in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1855261commonsaychelParticipantDear n0misorah,
Not very complicated pirakay avos, payrick 1 Mishna 6 says it all, ‘asay lecha rav”, find your self a rav.
Hopefully one day you will find yours, I have ONE rav who is moreh derech for me and a dayan who paskens shailos, when the extended family had issues such as end of life, we asked a rav who is a mumcha in these issues.April 30, 2020 10:04 am at 10:04 am in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1855270commonsaychelParticipant@yehudayona, one of the big factors the drives Covid 19 is density, New York State has 62 counties [ including the 5 boros each being a separate county] on those counties 51 out of the 62 have a population density of less then 500 per mile whereas New Jersey has 21 counties and only 7 have density of less then 500 per mile.
That should answer your questionApril 30, 2020 9:04 am at 9:04 am in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1855245commonsaychelParticipant@007 Silly question perhaps on my part but if your not an orthodox Jew why are you spending time on the YWN in general and commenting about Kollel in particular?
commonsaychelParticipantDear nOmesorah,
In a few years start dating, find your zivik, get married, have kids, start paying tuition and then let me know what your opinion isApril 29, 2020 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1855017commonsaychelParticipant@Joesph, you are wrong after during the last recession a lot of kollel yungerlat suddenly had the “the schvers credit card and high end lease stopped, and horror of horror’s went to work either as a clay kodesh or in the businesses world. I remember in kollel of the 70s and 80s maybe even the 90s and it was a very different animal,
@rational misiras nefesh is one of the most overused words these day.commonsaychelParticipantlets see
1. The sun rose the sun set
2. 1000s of people were born
3. The hole in the ozone layer repaired it self
4. Price of gas dropped
5. 100,000 + made a fully recovery
6. millions had the virus with little or no symptoms
7. The US is gradually reopening.
8. Illegal immigration dropped
9. Crime level dropped
10. Car crashes dropped.commonsaychelParticipantI disagree, the norm up to 25 years ago a one man band and a singer was not socially acceptable now its very much the norm, for the foreseeable future [next 6 months or longer] social distancing will be the norm and big wedding not longer be the norm with a possible perminate change.
I am sure the attendance at the peasch program will not be the same as last year for many years to come.
Crowded chol hamoed venues wont be the same at least for the near term,
Just a few examples of how things changedcommonsaychelParticipantI started taking him to mikva Fridays and it stopped
commonsaychelParticipantCheck back in a few years when you find out
April 28, 2020 10:35 am at 10:35 am in reply to: Time to cautiously reopen schools, Shuls, & most Businesses. #1854296commonsaychelParticipant@Quayboard, conversely the Yom Kippur war had 11656 Casualties and the Intifada had 9863 casualties, the total casualty count in Israel for covid19 is 208 and they reopened.
Bottom line both your opinion and Haimy are IRRELVANT!!! -
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