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Gavra, don’t judge a person by their title, fine, but we don’t need to stop using them.
Writersoul, who is creating anything?
Gavra, so physicians and dentists shouldn’t be called Dr.?
Obviously, titles are important to some people, otherwise there wouldn’t be titles.
Mazel Tov!
Most aren’t chashuv enough to be called “Mister”, so they should be called “rabbi”.
If that is your experience, I strongly suggest you find your kids a new yeshiva.
And if that’s your attitude, I would strongly advise the yeshiva not to accept them.
Shekermoochlat, I agree that amateurs shouldn’t be marbitz Torah, and if you wanted to be makpid that all rebbeim know gantz Shas and poskim, I’d be maskim in theory, but we would have no rebbeim. So the question remains, why davka should a rebbe need to know the parts of Shulchan Aruch needed for s’michah more than anything else, and the answer is that he doesn’t; that’s completely arbitrary.
Avi says it didn’t sit well when rebbeim were called mister (something that if true, was before my time). Of course it didn’t. Torah teachers deserve a title of respect.
So you think male limudei kodesh teachers, menahelim, and magidei shiur should be called Mister?
So your solution to the “unfairness” is…
Not that I claim to be male.
Try telling the DA that you never went to school to get a degree but you felt it was appropriate to call yourself a Rabbi. Dena d’malchusa dena.
Are you actually trying to claim that rebbeim and menahelim who use the title Rabbi are doing something illegal and assur? You’re not serious, are you?
I believe studying Torah changes a person. Serious study and focus on Torah topics (yes, even hilchos melicha), particularly with a talmid chochom, changes a person.
That’s all true, but doesn’t answer the question: why davka melichah?
What did it say? Do you have a link?
Anyhow, it seems that they shifted the focus away from that point, although the RCA continues to address it.
Avi, why do you define equality by punishments?
Is this what you’re referring to? It doesn’t talk about s’micha for women.
My point was only that it is a double standard that even when men and women fulfill the same function, only the man gets to be called by an elevated title he hasn’t truly earned.
If you don’t want women to be called rabbis, how do you propose to fix the double standard? Related, how do you quantify “truly earned”?
By the way, after shelling out tens of thousands of dollars in tuition I find it troubling that Yeshivos don’t hire people who spent the time, effort and commitment for semicha to teach our children.
Yeah, how can someone possibly be a good rebbe if he didn’t learn hilchos melichah?
No wonder so many kids go OTD.
If a Gadol came down with dementia or Alzheimer’s or something terrible of that nature, would you no longer call him “Rav…” even though you know he can’t actually function as one anymore?
Of course I would, but it’s an inapt comparison.
Why does someone who spent a couple of years learning certain parts of Yoreh Deah deserve a title of respect, but someone who may have spent more time than that mastering mesechtos in Shas, or other parts of Shulchan Aruch (or even the same parts without a test) not?
The gadol earned that title with decades of toil, and made himself into a living sefer Torah. Luchos v’shivrei luchos munachin ba’aron.
Kudos are not cholov yisrael
That’s why it was such a gadlus that he ate them.
I don’t think the lesson to be learned is either of those two things.
It’s not about Darchei Torah, and it’s not about the CR.
It’s about sensitivity, and about being moser nefesh for the sake of a child.
If it’s in the context of him performing his duties, then Rabbi. For example, I wouldn’t have a problem with the parents of pupils calling him “Rabbi…” during PTA or in other school contexts.
Sounds like if they met in the grocery, you’d be fine if they called him Mr. I disagree.
Rabbi. They’ve earned it.
You do realize that semichah entails a test on certain limited portions of Shulchan Aruch, some of which aren’t very relevant to common shailos, and that the fellow may have forgotten most of what he learned.
ZD: In a public forum, it probably is.
Privately, on an as-needed basis, it wouldn’t be.
What about women?
Call them Rabbits.
A prime example of that would be a grade or high school rebbe who should be addressed by his pupils as “Rabbi…” even if he doesn’t have formal semicha.
How should others address him?
Also, what do you think the appropriate title should be for someone who has semichah, but doesn’t use it in any official capacity?
If one yearns for the day when Hashem Echad Ush’mo Echad, he wants Moshiach to come.
That too.
Right Now I’m Very, Hungry
Lesschumras, it’s a Mishnah.
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Two different programs.
Apparently there have been at least three different programs, besides for the general awareness campaign.
I don’t think Rechnitz ran out of money…
OTOH, $10,000 is a lot more than the typical $2-3k total shadchanus so if there was abuse, if it led to many shidduchim, why would they shut it down?
So, on second thought, it probably just wasn’t very successful.
I would guess for the same reason NASI closed theirs – people abused the system by not paying shadchanim.
I might very well be wrong. Why don’t you ask them?
ZD, if I call it Yerushalayim (which I do), would you object? Would Naftush object?
It’s not a matter of not acknowledging that the political entity exists, but why would I refer to it by its secular political name when I can call it Eretz Yisroel? This he objects to?
Again I ask you: what’s wrong with using the term “Eretz Yisroel”?
Staten Island, NY
What if you already live in a decent house and eat well?
Arad/Finland
You’re welcome.
That depends on how drastically the lifestyle changes.
Pikuach nefesh is not docheh chillul Hashem, at least some forms (I’m thinking changing shoelaces), so you’d have to know how this fits in.
Did you contact them?
I could guess why it closed, but it’s probably better to contact them directly.
No.
Some of the biggest anti zionists lived in and/or loved Eretz Yisroel.
Also, I don’t see how that answered my question.
He asked him for the candy.
He walked over to the boy, and asked if he could have the candy bar.
He probably accepted his hanhagah of not eating cholov stam b’li neder.
Do you have a problem with the term “Eretz Yisroel”?
Nice story.
Barry, some are not even dairy equipment. You have to be on top of it though, because of the label says D, they can change it to milchig without notice.
How can it be a chilul hashem to ease the plight of agunos???
How does the valid goal remove chillul Hashem?
OK, so annuity.
Ah, but with the cash option I can earn a better return than what the annuity pays.
OK, so cash option.
Thank you, Joseph.
OK, so the annuity.
Cash option, because you get more up front.
Accepted.
Your formula was all wrong, BTW.
Zionism ? Zionist, and anti ? hater.
It would be like saying someone who is anti chillul Shabbos (which I assume you are) hates mechallelei Shabbos (which I assume you do not).