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In which other professions are the challenges of shmiras Shabbos as great as being a physician?
Did you restock?
TLIK, how do you deal with the Gemorah regarding doctors?
Have you seen any meforshim who relate it to shmiras Shabbos? I haven’t.
OTOH, to deny that being a doctor generally presents a bigger challenge to shmiras Shabbos than other professions is silly.
How does it disregard your point? It disagrees with it, and it is not a straw man argument, unless I misunderstood you. Feel free to explain.
considering the Judaic education is likely going to be sufficient
There’s no such thing as “sufficient” when it comes to learning Torah.
On second thought, you wouldn’t even need a doctor. Just a vet.
Just because popa keeps his kids on a leash doesn’t mean he’s an animal.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/children-on-leashes#post-1195863
Why does it take you so long to put your tefillin on?
Don’t worry, he wasn’t talking about you. It only says that good doctors go to gehenom. 😉
Was it a barnfire?
Ever daven at a Matzah Minyan?
Sounds like yummy chopped liver. I like the pieces, though.
Can you please share your recipe for stale bagels? 😉
I buy bags and they come in random sizes.
I usually buy the 3 lb. bags.
Do you add black pepper, or any other spices?
I have a few acquaintances who are frum doctors who, as far as I know, don’t carry phones with them.
They have arrangements with other doctors to cover them on Shabbos and Yom Tov.
Seriously? Wait, are you talking about eating liver? 🙂
Of course. Weren’t you?
I was thinking about it last night while I was sauteing it.
What proportion of liver to onion do you use?
I usually think about it Thursday night, when I’m shopping for Shabbos, then Shabbos morning, as I’m eating it.
Except for the cocaine problem.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/resistance-to-antibiotics#post-1312921.
Meno: Think you’re missing the secret ingredient
If he would post it, it wouldn’t be a secret any more.
Is this the symbol? 😝
In other words, it’s not a mere technicality; there’s a good chance that what he did was legal (although perhaps not ethical).
Iacisrmma:
“A three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan said it could not conclude that a rational jury would have convicted the Democrat if it had been properly instructed on what constitutes an “official act.” ”
Is it kosher?
If one doesn’t think that halacha works the same way, what if someone steals something that is not worth a pruta? Is it a “false accusation” that the person stole something?
I don’t think that’s a good analogy.
Just because SCOTUS lowered the bar for political ethics, Silver as an alleged frum Jew, had a higher responsibility
Okay, but according to current law, he didn’t commit a crime. That’s not a mere technicality.
TLIK, nobody here is going to argue that we should keep abusive rebbeim.
I don’t know why you have such faith in an obviously agenda driven prosecutor.
So called “burnout” is not the primary reason that some rabbonim are not effective in chinuch (even if they are otherwise talmedei chachamim and ehrliche yidden). Most yeshivos do not have a robust pre-hiring program to evaluate the educational skills of prospective teachers and in most cases, rely upon referrals to the rosh yeshiva or cursory trial shiruim.
The OP wrote, “I don’t know why it is this way but at some point, even a successful rebbi can lose his ability to be the best teacher of Torah. ”
So you are talking about a totally separate issue.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying teachers or rebbeim should never be fired. What I am saying is that there has to be a balance. You certainly don’t fire a good rebbe just because you think you can find a better one, and even if a rebbe is seriously underperforming, you need to work with him to try to get him to improve.
Firing a long term rebbe needs to be done sometimes, but it should be a last resort.
What evidence do you have that failure to provide lifetime tenure to non-performing rabbonim in chinuch will jeopardize the future supply of rabbonim willing to pursue a career in chinuch.
What evidence do you have that underperforming rebbeim have a negative affect on children?
Same as I have. Common sense.
right now, there are too many rabbonim coming out of yeshivot who surpress the salary of teachers
Higher salaries mean higher tuition, and the tuition burden is already crushing many middle class families.
The issue the OP presents (which is a serious one) is not that underqualified people are going into chinuch, it’s that they get burnt out. Within the first few years of a rebbe’s career, it’s not such a dilemma to fire them.
Raising salaries won’t solve this.
So job security for the rebbeim is more important than good educators for our children?
What he’s saying is that if rebbeim don’t have job security, there won’t be many good educators for our children.
The very definition of “kalte Litvak”, no?
Being healthy delays death, it doesn’t eliminate it. If there are 100 people they ALL die eventually and become business for the undertaker. A longer, healthier life does not equal immortality.
But many would die long after the current undertakers retire.
“where in the Torah does it talk about refrigerators??”
That’s actually a simple one to answer – לא תבערו אש – but I get your point.
Phil: look at what I was responding to.
Agav, I’m curious if anyone knows the actual percentage of Jews who are engaged in full time learning at any time.
There have never been so many historically wealthy people. Such a thing should only be for really excellent earners maybe the top 1 percent determined by gross income. They should support the other 99%, who should learn full time.
Who needs so many balabatim?
Why are you all assuming that sitting and learning in Kollel is not a tremendous contribution to society?
Do you mean מאי אהני לן רבנן? It’s nothing new…
Meno, as it is everywhere, lrarners in kollel fall along the classic statistical bell curve. A students on the right, F students on the left and the B,C,D students in the middle. As long as kollels allow the C,D and F students to stay, the kollels have no call on our charity dollar
Oh, Hashem has a grading system for whose learning He appreciates and whose He doesn’t?
Meno gets it.
TLIK, you can pontificate all you want, the fact is that people at a certain threshold are worse off financially for earning more money.
Learning secular studies during bein hasedarim — if all kollels introduce that concept
The primary differences would be how “officially” it’s integrated into the makeup of the kollel, and at what stage in one’s kollel “career” does one begin.
An entry level paying job leaves you poorer than beforehand due to increased childcare expenses & major reductions in social services benefits.
This is a huge problem, and not just in our community. The way benefit eligibility is structured, there’s often a strong financial incentive to not work (and this has nothing to do with whether the person would otherwise be learning or not).
The mean income in the US is #$53,000. to expect $70,000 with no education and no experience is unrealistic.
He said he wasn’t offered more than 70k, but that implies that he was offered 70.
Are you saying that R’ Bender thinks the system needs to change?
Isn’t there a kollel in his yeshiva?
#3 Family adheres to a particular Chassidus and boy will attend an affiliated Yeshiva
See my response to iacisrmma regarding RSA.
#6 Finances It may not be affordable for the boy or family for him to be at BMG
They accept Pell grants.
#7 Boy attended a feeder High School for a yeshiva
</emThis yeshivas are generally for younger bochurim than those who attend BMG. That being said, there are some yeshivos which do have a program for bochurim returning from Eretz Yisroel.
Not accepted is a reason, perhaps wanting to stay closer to home occurs, but I think the number 1 reason would be wanting a smaller yeshiva, with athe opportunity to gain a kesher with the rosh hayeshiva.
1. Rosh Yeshiva in EY tells talmid not to go to BMG.
That just shifts the question to the RY.
2. Might be in Rabbinical Seminary of America
Then BMG wasn’t a likely option to begin with.
DY, why do you think a comparison of two groups in vastly different socioeconomic groups is a fair comparison?
I’m not davka picking any such characteristics as criteria. I’m simply comparing “Yeshiva High School Graduates versus Public High School Graduates”.
You are the one being selective, possibly skewing the results. I’m not.
For the purposes of how the discussion started, my way makes more sense than yours.