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My father was a baker, and he taught me fresh bread is better than stale bread.
The Kotzker?
feivel: ;-p
SJSinNYC (& CKK):
Shitas Reish Lakish: All the money hashem gave me is for MY use, and none of it should go to my children. If someone should learn, it should be me. Don’t I need to learn?
But if you want to support your children (against Reish Lakish) and have the money to do so, why not? 🙂
oomis1105:
Nothing against you, but the statement that every Rav in the “community” holds of the Va’ad is not accurate. Not as if I care one way or the other for the whole conversation, but just for accuracy’s sake (ARK).
My understanding is the Rav Hamachsier is very good, but I have nothing (and know nothing, and want nothing) to do with the whole Kashrus bit.
young:
Just because I could support, why SHOULD I?
Joseph:
I’m not into stamps, but do have a set of coronation stamps (1953) from QEII from the various states in the Commonwealth/colonies. Most have postmarks. Any idea if this is rare?
SJS:
Exacly my point. It should be done knowing it is NOT Halacha, rather a chumrah or Lifnim Me’shuras Hadin. That way there is no issue of Bal Tosef.
SJS:
Respectfully disagree. Lifnim Me’shuras Hadin is a higher Madraiga than Din itself. The streimel is not a good example, as YOU have no reason to wear one (if you’re not a chassid) and be “lifnim”. One always can be more Tzanuah by following the “suggestions” of our chachomim (as long as it doesn’t get to the point of Chosid Shoyte), even though they are not required as halacha per say.
Of course, there are trade offs by being more tzanuah (Shalom Bayis, for one (I would be mad if my wife shaved her head)) and a Rav and your husband should always be consulted.
ICOT:
If I want to start small children on a coin collection, what would be the most cost effective method/types of coins, while still giving something nice as a present?
Also I don’t feel there is any reason to get coins graded if they are for collection (as opposed to value/sale) purposes. Do you agree/disagree.
DN:
For those of us who do not think it’s obvious, can you please state the reasons (as to Feif Un)?
Torah He V’lilmod A’ni T’zarich.
Thanks
SJS: One who is more Machmir (in general) is keeping to a higher standard/madraiga, if it is being done for Kavod and Yiras Shamaiym, not to keep your membership in the “Chumrah of the week” club.
Think of it as being similar to those who would rather pay that take a Shevuah, since the concept of taking a Shevuah, even if it is true and allowed/suggested according to halacha, is none the less very “Chamur”. That is a “Madraiga”.
There is no “custody”, the children fend for themselves. BD or the father can appoint someone over the estate (as ICOT points out), but the children are “free” to collect (as per the Mishna in BB 139b) if they have no Yerusha.
Halacha or practically?
I’m almost sure no one can sell a daughter except the father (Ein Adam Morish Zechus’e B’ito Le’bno), but the Mother & Brothers have the right to marry a girl under 12 off. She has the right at the age 12 to “undo” the marriage.
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PM: I’m not saying it would. That is a different discussion.
oomis:
Baseball (or any sport) is Assur in EY
I think the Gedolim feel like Rav Yochanan Ben Zakkai & the Baryonim.
BSD
Joseph:
Mekublani that this is the “Chiddush Gadol” that he states in the first teshuva on the topic. That does not mean people should go out & do so. I believe ICOT has it best; if you don’t have a specific Psak (also true in general), ask your rav & do not rely on the psakim meant for others (Either Chumrah OR Kulah).
Joseph: 🙂
The retort would be “except Ga’ava”, but i’ve already written my opinion and have nothing to add at this point. I also have a funny feeling you are being facetious.
Joseph & SJS: Who decides?
Rav Elyashiv? Most of frum Klal Yisroel (MO & Sefardim, and many Chardal & Dati) do not hold of him as having the final say. Rav Ovadyah?
That why you have to ask your own Rav.
People follow their biases (real or not) when they act. We recognize this to aid the learning/business process. If one shows up in a T shirt & jeans to the court, they will not be taken seriously by the judge (any dress codes aside). Showing up to give a shiur as such may have the attendees believing, however much incorrectly, that the material is not “on the level” or the one giving the shiur is not qualified (similar to the judge, or the boss who has the prospective employee show up in shorts).
WE may claim we are not biased, and for you it may even be true, but those who are listening are.
(This is all just to illustrate the point, not to argue one side or the other)
SJSinNYC:
Well put, but its not your standards, but the standards of those who are attending as well. If i wanted to give a shiur in KJ (just as an example), a suit, white shirt & tie would be still be underdressed.
Perhaps where cantoresq is it is normal for someone giving a shiur to wear clothing as such, so who are we to judge on that point?
oomis1105:
Very good point. The gemorah over there discusses this, and says (al pi the rasbam) that the yerusha should still not be moved as who knows which grand or great grand children will use the money correctly (It is a machlokes Tanayim).
techie:
What are you looking for?
cherrybim:
But it should not be put into print. I ask the Mod to delete the post.
BS”D
PM:
I didn’t say he says its Muttar, all I said is that he is Mechalek between turning off the gas and actual Kiboyi (OC Chelek 1, forget actual Simin).
He does not say (in print, I have not heard him in person say otherwise) it is Muttar to turn off the gas.
Besides, Rav Moshe says (If memory serves) (I think in the Chelek Daled Teshuva) that Gas is considered to be “far away” & removed from the fire. Each “particle” of gas may (once again, its not my svorah, and I’m only giving my understanding, not Rav Moshe’s and I may be incorrect) be considered seperate, as its in the pipes, not even directed towards the flame in question; so its different than all of the other cases brought, where the source is already “attached” to the flame.
I don’t think anyone would suggest you should turn off or lower a flame not for Ochel Nefesh purposes on Yom Tov. But if your Rav does allow it, who am I to argue?
I can only try:
My guess would be yes, as suffocation from O2 (which does not flow from a source, but is just there) is different than the stopping of a “flow”. But the svorah is not mine (its Rav Moshe’s), and I will not dare to think that puny me can begin to understand the complete svorah of Rav Moshe other than what he actually said.
ICOT:
Have a look at BB 129, as well as the Mishna 130a. Its not so simple. For practical Halacha, ask your LOR.
WM:
One is “Ruach Chachomim” vs. an Issur Torah, but essentially correct.
Joseph:
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ROB: Stopping the flow of gas is very different from removing the source of fuel.
Rambam Nachalos 6:11, Mishna BB 133B.
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This does not mean that you can not leave something to others (by giving it away while you are alive, not as a Yerusha), or make the wife in charge of the estate (which is what Halachicly happens if you give her everything, anyway; She does not get all the money) (BB 131b).
Agree with Joseph. There may not be enough spots, & the principals have to squeeze people in September every year.
Anon: The students who don’t get residencies will go elsewhere, even out of the country if needed (or will just not get a residency). Here there seems to be too few “spots” until the Roshei Yeshiva force a squeeze (which lowers everyone elses education, if there are too many children in the class).
down2earth, I feel for you, but this is part of Lakewood. People who live in Lakewood commute to Brooklyn, Monsey, the five towns, etc. so that they can live in Lakewood. Be happy that you are in an area that has so many Frum Yidden; this is a result.
cantoresq: People move to Lakewood so that they can conform (at least those who are part of the Yeshiva’s community), not make waves.
BSD
Pashuteh Yid & PM: Fourth Chelek in Orech Chaim (forget exactly where) R. Moshe deals with this issue of Drabannan vs. Deoraysa for melacha Shetl”g. I think he says most Rishonim argue on the Magen Avraham who holds Kiboyi is worse than starting a new flame, and therefore holds one should light anew rather than lowering; Rav Moshe argues and allows lowering of a flame for cooking purposes.
The “Chiddush” is from Orach Chaim first Chelek, but he says he does not want it to be printed, but its along the lines of a gas cutoff is stopping additional fuel, not removing it (Ayin Shom).
To clarify:
When I said “where you live”, it does not include not yet frum jews or non jews.
End of ninth perek of Nedarim.
ames:
You should always listen to your husband. 🙂
May you have a child like Bava Ben Buta.
anonymouslysecret: If we don’t have the facts, then at best we can only judge your case poorly.
Just remember YOU are the one who will have to live with whomever you marry for the rest of your life; giving in to pressure & marrying someone who you will regret is not the way to go, and can lead C”V to very bad things.
BSD:
To the best of my memory, I have heard from a Rav who is “well respected” across the spectrum (mechaber of a number of seforim accepted by both the right & left) that Minhag Hamakom depends on where you live. Ask your own local Rav what your Minhag Hamakom is.
Of course, its always a good thing to be more Tzanuah (without the platitudes, please), but the issue here is being FORCED to follow a standard that is more “chumrah of the week” and “Ish HaYashar Be’Einav Yaase” vs. actual halacha.
All of these issues bring me toi think of the Medrash regarding Chava & the snake, where the snake pushed Chava into the tree and she didn’t die, and the snake used the argument to get her to eat from the Eitz Hadaas. SJS put it well: Chumras are all and good for those who keep them, but its a nichshal to turn the chumras into Halacha.
That being said, the opposite is also true; its easy to be Over if one is not willing to go the extra step. The only answer is to have a Rav (not Mentor, Sem teacher, etc., but a Rav) who can guide you as to what YOU should be doing.
ames: Because if they dont wear socks, then they are not religious! 🙂
Ask your OWN LOR, maybe someone who is familiar or within your community.
squeak:
I can not draw a diagram of a pilot light oven here, but what Oomis describes is #2. The fire still exists under the pan (or in the oven), just as a pilot (small) flame.
ROB:
You are welcome. It was earlier in the thread.
Squeak: Please show me (or tell me) who says that lowering a flame for the purpose of making sure food does not burn on Yom Tov is Assur. Oomis has a Psak that if the pilot is still on, then its still only lowering the flame and not extinguishing it (logical), and is allowed for Tzorech Ochel. It seems that, and only that, is the point of contention.
rabbiofberlin:
Good point, but I don’t see how lowering a flame will help a cold person 🙂
My point regarding electricity is that even some current respected Yeshivish Poskim hold that one may adjust electricity for Tzorech Ochel on Yom tov (let alone the “Shabbos ovens!”)
Squeak: “The important thing to remember here is that Mechabeh is allowed in some circumstances. But not in all.”
There is a very big difference (Al Pi Rav Moshe) between being Mechabe (via water & the sort) and stopping the flow of fuel.
PM:
Oomis has already said that making the flame smaller is only for “Tzorich Ochel”.
“Of course, you cannot turn the oven on and off for any reason OTHER than ochel nefesh, i.e. to warm up a room in colder weather such as late fall.”
anonymouslysecret:
Perhaps they just don’t want to have to support you for the rest of their lives, and are not willing to let you live in poverty. You may think it is easy to live in poverty, but yes, they do know better.
oomis1105: One of my favorite quotes from Rashi Beitza 2b. I would just like to see an “inside” source.
oomis1105:
Current or previous Rav (assuming of your shul)?
feivel:
No matter what your “work” during the Sheishes Yomim is, even if it is carrying toothpicks in your mouth, that is the “shevisa”. (Don’t start with Kollel) The basis of the 39 was the work done in the Mishkan; Then there are the other points of Daber Davar, etc. But I’m getting completely off topic.
BSD:
Oomis & squeak:
Adjusting Electricity for Tzorach Ochel is (I believe) a shita of Rav Dovid Cohen Shelita, but (to the best of my understanding) is a Daas Yochid.
(Disclaimer: If memory serves) Rav Moshe indicates it is Mutar to turn a flame off (even though he does not say so outright) completely, even without a pilot. If there is a pilot, there is no reason why you can’t adjust the flame off & leave the food on, if it is a Tsorech of the Ochel, since that is removing fuel for cooking purposes, as opposed to being Mechabe (ask your own LOR). I am not aware of any heter other than Rav Moshe above to cut off the gas completely from its seperate source within the burner not for Tsorech Ochel, as opposed to the source feeding the pilot. (Oomis, you probaly hold like that “unpublished opinion” of Rav Moshe, that there is no problem in general with cutting off the gas.) If you have a source, I would love to see it.
feivel:
Of course it’s not work the way we understand it; but that is the way our Torah explains it.
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feivel: How about Shidduchim 🙂
“It is a day of intense Holiness. not a day of taking it easy and recuperating from the week.”
Respectfully disagree, and suggest it is both. We celebrate the cessation of the work of Hashem by emulating Him and not working. C”V Hashem needs to “rest” or “recuperate” (as you point out), but the concept was created for us people who need a “break”.
How to spend that break is a seperate issue. The Gaon was known to learn extra, as “V’hashaina Meshubachas”, he needed less sleep. What better way to celebrate Shabbos by Giving Daf & learning extra, spending quality time with your children, and realizing what a bracha it is that Hashem created the concept of rest from the “Sheshes Yamim T’avod”.
As far as the clothes issue, I have not weighed in because I don’t know the circumstances. I would consider a polo (or non-white) shirt unacceptable for myself, but I have neighbors who do wear them on shabbos & have no issue with them either. Others would only wear a bekesha, and look down at those who wear a suit. Besides, I’m not sure if the issue is Shabbos or a Shiur.
SJS:
As with many other items (Eco 101), the government must pay for items that are for the good of all, but each person is unwilling to pay as they will not recoup their costs.
Pres. Obama got this one right. Lower payments to those who will not invest in care. If only there would be lower payments for bad treatment…