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Had the Bochrim been thinking clearly, they might have covered the ad without defacing it (such as using a large tarp and a staple gun), until the ad could be changed by the owner. As is, what they did probably needed to be done in some form, but one should try to stick to the law if at all possible.
Truthfully I’m not sure why someone who calls herself “cutiepie” is even asking the question.
May you be Zoche to find a shidduch, both for yourself and this young lady.
If you had met her on a date, would you feel better about it? This way you didn’t have to go on the date, yet still “met” her in an “acceptable” manner (as a co-worker).
Please be advised that we do not post links here in the CR that are not on the Kosher Website list.
1: Where can I find such list?
2: Is this due to internal or external pressure?
The gemarah in Chulin is also not a good proof, The line that I …’ed out above from the Ben Ish Chai was
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It’s widely known that Chaza”l hid sod in pshat. It is very easy to say that what they were talking about was not only what we see but also what we don’t see, but they saw.
Exactly. And since as far as we know they did not mean actual fact but rather Halachic fact (for whatever reason), we have no right to dismiss their words as false, C”V.
As far as “having all the answers”, I guess you just haven’t asked all the questions yet 🙂 (which is better, if you don’t have them).
Kol HaPoshet Yad Nosenim Lo.
Even if you would do something like this, you would still have to give to an Ani that asks.
Grandmaster:
I have no problem with that. All he is saying is that Halachic reality trumps actual reality. Just like Migu doesn’t necessarily require that the person would actually lie, Halacha decides that he has Nemanus (Or Koach HaTaiyna). Or if you don’t understand like the Chasam Sofer (pashtus), that “Besulim” is defined by Chazal, not the actual presence of the physical Besulim. This is the opinion of Rav Belsky as well. Others hold one should be Machmir for both sides.
Interesting that the other person to bring in this “Rabbi Breil” was The Joseph, no?
no.
SJS:
I don’t think anyone, including the most RW and Chazal themselves, would claim they are “infallible”. It would be Apikorsus on their part. We have gone though this here (in the CR) before as well.
From what you are saying, you agree we can treat as “halachicly true” (love that term) what Chazal said, even if it has emperically proven to be false. For example the famous “lice” case, where we “know” the opposite of what Chazal said (lice grow from nothing): We either re-interpet Chazal to conform with known facts, or are Machmir as such (since it is well known Chazal did speak in allegory) while considering the other side as well.
(regarding Emunah) There is nothing wrong with having questions without answers. The choice is to believe that there are ultimate answers to the questions, even if our minds can not begin to fathom them (as Mr. 80 pointed out). I believe that is what SJS is saying. If DHM has all of the answers, he is not only ahead of me, but Shlomo Hamelech, Moshe Rabbanu, and others (which is why I’m sure that is not what he means either).
found it.
It makes sense, but it’s sort of a new kind of Kinyan. If I understand correctly, you’re saying that there is a Gomar Umakne, being that you know that the bank will give it to him. Perhaps you can apply Dina Demalchusa that considers this a done deal.
1: Naasis is NOT Gamar U’Makni, it is a presumption that your intent is as such at the time you gave it to the bank (which is not far fetched)
2: Dina D’Malchusa between two yidden (employee & employer) opens up its own can of worms (although the bank has its own regulations to which DD will apply). Could work.
Wolf: Baruch T’hiye
Perhaps you can apply the famous Ketzos that Hoda’a is also a Kinyan.
I do not want to go there. I would even rather say that the hishtamshus of the loan has a din of Kesef (similar to an old style gold/silver dollar bill?), and the transfer even within the system is a Maas’e Nesina (which is plausable), and the “Kinyan” is done similar to the gemorah Gittin 13B:
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I.E. part of the loan to the bank is that the bank can transfer the money to others at your discretion. (a much more “ba’al Habatish answer).
Bezras Hashem I will not be at work.
Regarding the Ramabam it’s in Hilchos Teshuva Perek Hey Halacha Hey.
Also Yesodei Hatorah towards the end of the second perek.
Work creates a shibud. It is not a “sale” in technical terms (excepting Uman Koneh Shevach Kli and the sort). In fact, the shibud exists even if the employer did not tell the worker to work for him (see Bava Metzia 101a).
of course by “logic” (which sounds like some kind of unchanging ultimate Truth) what you really mean is human logic, formulated by puny, human minds and culture.
yes, Hashem is not bound by our understanding of the universe.
Agreed. But you will not win any arguments that way with a sceptic.
Mr 80:
Sounds good to me, if one is willing to accept it as that. It refers to the side of “Hashem doesn’t have to follow logic”.
If I’m not mistaken, the Rambam says something to the effect that it is not humanly possible to understand how free will and Divine Providence can co-exist.
I thought he just says not to ask it, not that the solution is unobtainium.
Wolf, you of all people should know that cause and effect do not necessarily follow each other, so you shouldn’t even have the question.
MW13: That just pushes off the question. And after that doesn’t work….
MW13: What do you suggest to someone who has looked through the proofs and decides they are not good enough for him/her? Should he not believe?
DHM & Wolf: Interesting argument (I believe going back to the Rishonim, though I don’t have sources) if Hashem is restrained by logic. For the question Wolf poses, the Shiita of the Rambam works nicely, I think.
HaLeiVi: If there is no pre-existing shibud, wouldn’t you need Mammad Shlashtan?
If you see a uniformed officer in fatigues, you know he is a member of the military. Otherwise he may be as well, but probably isn’t. If you see a Yid in a black hat, you know he is a member of the Yeshiva community. Otherwise he may be or may not be.
Maybe it is better to be incognito. That way Lois (and others) won’t know who you are. It is like those who did Mius acts going to court wearing a Striemel. It would probably be even better to go without a Yarmulka.
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When you sell your chummetz for pessach they have you pick up a pen to make a kinyan, how is the pay recept and less valid? I don’t know I’m just asking questions.
A Pen is a Kli.
A Pay stub can not act as a kinyan. It is not a Kli.
A check is a Shtar, exactly like it was in the time of the gemorah, when someone wrote “Harei Ani Chayav” in a Shtar and it was valid.
The Halachic status of a bank account in general is interesting. L’cheora the money in the account is on loan to the bank (since it can use the funds as they wish, within reason & the law). Adding money to a loan doesn’t require a kinyan per say.
The money is owed to the poel for his/her work. By agreeing to transfer that “loan” over to the bank by all of the parties involved, and giving the use of the money to the bank, the bank is now responsible for the loan to the poel, and the employer is no longer responsible for the loan.
In short, I would think (but in no way am I a posek) the kinyan is not required, and the shibud transfers from the employer to tha bank (possibly due to a Rav Nosson type arrangement).
Since you ask:
A check has the din of a shtar (which is why someone who bounces a check is Pasul for Edus, due to Shtar Mezuyaf). A shtar according to many opinions has the din of Kesef (although not for Keddushin, see Rishonim there why). As such, if you give it directly to the Ani, it is giving Kesef. If you give it to the Rov and he gives out on Purim against the check, that will also be good.
Shlishi:
Or if she is holding onto it. For Karka (the family home), you would probably be correct.
For joint assets such as bank accounts, etc. just her threat to withhold permission to divide Al Pi Halacha (and go through secular court) might be enough, via the din of Ei Shaskis. I am not a Dayan, so someone who knows more about it could elucidate more.
One can usually find an opinion that agrees with what you want, if you look hard enough.
Joseph?:
I think Cromwell was a friend of the Jews. Nevertheless, from a Jewish legalistic perspective, how can overthrowing a monarch be justified in this case (or in general)?
I think that calls for a new thread.
Dr. Hall, I await your response.
I’ve found an answer to an ancient Greek dilemma that can’t be answered with the theologies of other religions.
I’m curious which one?
“Aren’t we commanded to wipe them out? “
Descendents of Haman taught Torah in Bnei Brak. Would you have rushed up to the Rosh Yeshiva and stabbed him to death?
And had the Jews during Bar Kochba worshiped Jupiter, they also would have not been wiped out. Not sure of your point.
Cromwell had a job, and he very possibly did it sustaining the fewest overall casualties. Assuming that you can agree with the cause (overthrow of the monarchy), then he may have done the right thing. If you disagree with the cause, and think the Irish were right in suppoting the monarchy, then no justification can be made.
It just depends on which side you are sitting when you look at it.
the only thing the secular divorce court should be asked to do (by either side) is to issue a divorce certificate. they should not be asked or made involved in asset separation, as that is a halachic matter.
Have you never heard of “Kim Li”?
Also, the husband or wife will use children as leverage to get money, or the opposite.
I’m horrified that this can be written on a Jewish site. Gavra, by that logic Hadrian’s genocide after the Bar Kochba revolt was justified. Ditto Nebuzaradan’s murder of three million of our fellows.
Ditto Amalek and Haman. Aren’t we commanded to wipe them out? It is only self defense on their part!
Arguable. The Irish Campaign was really the best way to get them out of the way, after they had signed a royalist treaty. He still did have to worry about the rest of the Isles. Placing the fear of G-d in them to never rebel possibly saved the most lives, over having additional rebellions.
Takah, have you seen the messy condition of coffee rooms in some yeshivos? I can’t tell the difference between a coffee room and a cow barn!!
Second Wallenburg.
Also all those who keep the sheva mitzvos. It really isn’t easy.
Start at a community college (2 year program). Also you can try something artsy.
Parnossah is written in shomayim, no one can take away something that was destined for you to make.
You can. It is called Bechira.
GM: This is a long standing Machlokes between the Gedolim. Rav Yitzchok Adlerstein posted about it on Cross Currents a while back. It is a matter of being willing to sacrifice a portion of the Klal to form a Gem.
The Moshel being Diamonds. The shiita being that is is worth smashing every rock because a few may have diamonds, vs. the other side which holds the rock in of itself is beautiful, so we should value each one for what it can do.
And no one in the Yeshiva world holds of what we are teaching girls, Navi with all meforshim. I will stand corrected if you can tell me otherwise.
I think you read it wrong.
Derech HaMelech
LOL! I think the big fat greek comment applies here as well (which has been quoted many times here in the CR):
Ma, Dad is so stubborn. What he says goes. “Ah, the man is the head of the house!”
Let me tell you something. The man is the head, but the woman is the neck. And she can turn the head any way she wants.
SJS: Halachicly it is true, even if the wife works and the husband learns, unless she says I want to keep my money (which in that case he does not have to feed her (which as you pointed out, may be true anyway)).
Besides, this is only for “earnings”. Presents given from husband to wife are excluded.
In healthy marriages, the spouses come to agreement on financial matters. If there is a practical effect of this halachah, it must not be a very good marriage.
Well said. My guess is the practial part comes in only if they C”V divorce.
Mytake:
Your question was why do the schools teach the way they do. My answer is that this (teaching Gemorah without any emunah, secular studies, etc.) is the best way to produce a possible Gadol, and if some or even many fall by the wayside, that is (in their eyes) a worthwhile sacrifice. The girl point was that even though girls schools don’t need to create gedolim, they follow the “meforshim” tract of the boys, just in Navi & not Gemorah.
I like ItcheSrulik’s response. I read it as “its much easier to teach Gemorah than it is to teach Yisodos”.
Jewish “source” (who brings no source material):
Saying it is so does not change Halachic fact, no matter how many times you say it (and wished it to be). Halacha doesn’t follow ones wishes, it follows what Hashem wants.
SJS: I heard you “met” Ittisa elsewhere (a while back). Thank you for the kind words. Ittisa is wise.
like bpt said, it’s a free country and you can do whatever in the world you want. but that is talking like a shiksa. a goyta would just nurse in a pizza shop, not thinking twice about it.
LOL. And a non jew (you are using the word “goyta” as a slur) also breathes. Should I suggest you stop breathing as well? Of course not.
Besides, what are you doing out of the Kitchen? A TRUE Bas Yisroel would not be caught in a pizza shop. Let alone being outside, eating Pizza is not Tznius (for obvious reasons).
mytake:
Your method doesn’t produce Gedolim. And the girls schools are pushed to be copied of the boys, learning Radak & Yalkut (when they would be much better off learning Basar B’Chalav).
SJS: Ittisa agrees with you. It does bother me, but I am working on it so that it should not do so. There is no logical reason why it should bother me.
There is nothing wrong with charging extra for additional resources, and even making that charge not subject to tzedaka scholarships is perfectly reasonable. If you don’t feel the charge is worthwhile, you are more than welcome to the standard schooling.
It is assumed that parents will pay for children who are still “living” at home.