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gavra_at_workParticipant
Dr. Hall:
You said:
‘If the union would agree that all future raises, including benefits, would be subject to a statewide referendum, and “right to work”, then Gov. Walker would probably be willing to move forward. ‘
In other words, if the union caved in completely. Not.
I believe the most contentious point was the union having to recertify every year, which Gov. Walker would probably (I can’t speak for him) be willing to compromise on.
Which point do you have an issue with? Right to work, or the referendum on raises, etc?
Right to work (IMHO) should be the law in all states. Someone should not be forced to pay union dues just to be able to work, especially if said union will be donating to political causes (on either side). If the union is creating value for them, they will pay. It is not a government entity that has taxation rights.
A referendum on raises (only on amounts higher than inflation) just transfers the power out of the hands of the potentially biased negotiators into the hands of the people, via direct democracy. Unless you believe the people are not smart enough to make a decision (which in that case perhaps only landowners should be able to vote), why should anyone who is not biased have a problem with that?
gavra_at_workParticipanti dont agree with gavra at work-i think mofes should be a last resort instead of an accepted way of life….take the job for 10 dollars work hard get experience look at yourself as more than just an employee and a can do attitude and you will either move up or on to better things…..sorry for being sarcastic but the “es kumpt mir” attitude of the generation has brought many people with a low work ethic…..every immigrant who came here with nothing worked hard yes sometimes 14-16 hours a day but they were happy and able to put bread on the table…..granted with tuitions today its very tough but if you think its not worth your shalom bayis/self esteem to take a 10/hr job there is always the lottery
I’m talking Metzius, you are talking about an ideal world. Open up your eyes, we (i.e. the yidden, and specificly the non MO frum) have become dependents of the state!
Now if you don’t like it, that is one thing. But to ignore the facts is sticking your head in the sand, hoping it will go away by itself (which seems to be the prefered solution of the Klal at large).
gavra_at_workParticipantDr. Hall:
I believe the “union busting” action is only so that the union will not sit on both ends of the table. The union has no problem giving back, they can get back more from the next democrat administration. The key here is limiting raises (of all types of benefits, including healthcare, hours and pensions) to the rate of inflation, and requiring a referendum to go higher.
The union will still exist, even under the bill. If the union would agree that all future raises, including benefits, would be subject to a statewide referendum, and “right to work”, then Gov. Walker would probably be willing to move forward.
gavra_at_workParticipantLet’s get something straight.
If someone is willing to do the work for $10 an hour, that is by definition the going rate for that job.
I have to disagree with stam36, though. As pointed out earlier, $10 an hour will only get 20K for the year, which is not enough to be worth working and possibly losing MOFES (which can provide for a decent sized family over 50K a year). That is why for many Yidden, it is a high paying job or sit home and learn, and get supported.
gavra_at_workParticipantI live on 16th and 53rd, would there be a better place to live in the whole world.
But my life is different than it was before.
Because a new neighbor just moved in next door.
He looks and sounds different, a yichtege sefardi,
So I’ll ignore him, and he’ll ignore me!
Thought of it when I saw the title.
gavra_at_workParticipantEven according to the Poskim who are matir it, my understanding is that they are addressing a bedieved situation — i.e. if a man is in the presence of a woman with this amount of hear showing, can he make a bracha. They are not stating that it is fine for a woman to intentionally show her hair. Also it is generally explained as this is an amount that often will slip out (as mentioned by previous poster, over the ears or if the tichel slips a bit), and is cumulative. Sheitels/ falls that are designed to “blend” with your hair to create a more natural hairline are certainly not in the spirit of this psak, and in my experience unfortunately don’t even meet the letter of the psak (i.e. much more than “one finger” worth is being shown). It is a similar issue for women who really on this to pull back their snood or tichel and show a sliver of hair: if you start out according to exactly the limits, what happens if your tichel slips back, or hair escapes over the ears — you have lost your “safety zone” and are violating halacha.
Let us get to the heart of the matter (once again).
There are two completely disconnected issues with tznius. The first and the one brought in Halacha (regarding Brachos and the sort) is Erva. It seems to be the consensus that at least some hair (whatever shiur you might want to have, even if it is lip hair) is not Erva.
Then we get into Tznius – the “non halachic/brachos” version (not to say it is not halacha, but the practial application for a male doesn’t really exist for himself), which is dressing in an enticing manner which will attract attention (which is against “halacha” (what I’m not getting into here) for women). This “shiur” is extremely subjective, with Poskim going from one extreme (such as R. Falk) to the other, as per “what will attract attention”. Ask your local Rov what in your area will “attract attention”.
For example, if a woman is completely covered in red (which is not allowed in halacha, due to it being the color of Zonos (Rema YD 178:1), it would not prevent a man from making a brocha, since it is not Erva (as long as he is not distracted, of course).
We have discussed this before, this is just a reminder for some and something new for others.
gavra_at_workParticipantsmartcookie: As are most things, including flowers. Unless you can tell me that you get no Hanaha from them, and buying flowers purely for the sake of Shabbos?
As per your Pasuk, I think you are getting confused with giving tzedaka, where it says Aser Bishvil SheT’sasher, or give so that you shall become rich.
gavra_at_workParticipant??? ????? ??????? ?????, ???????? ????????? ??????-?????????–?????? ??????? ?????? ????????
gavra_at_workParticipantIt is a mitzva to be Makpid on looks.
See Gemorah, Rashi Keddushin 41a.
gavra_at_workParticipant???? ??? ?? ??? ????
gavra_at_workParticipantI don’t think I am bashing. If I have an “attachment” to weight, it is because I successfully lost serious weight, so I don’t really have as much sympathy for people who don’t.
Offen a Rashi that you didn’t lose weight. HOW DARE YOU ARGUE WITH CHAZAL!
On a more serious note, the most critical thing for a guy dating is that he be attracted to the girl. Without it their marriage is doomed.
ZeesKite: The gedolim disagree with you, what can I say.
gavra_at_workParticipantWolf- you do know that for anything you buy Lkovod Shabbos, Hashem pays you back double…
So if I buy Prime Rib for Shabbos, Hashem will pay me back double?
How about an Armani Suit?
No wonder why we are seeing more designer clothing. It because the buyers expect to make a profit on the purchase!
gavra_at_workParticipantDo you buy flowers for Shabbos? Every Shabbos or only on occasions?
Costs too much. I have to pay tuition. Buying flowers and paying less tuition would be (IMHO) Gezaila.
March 3, 2011 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747293gavra_at_workParticipantI don’t like the implication that singles are somehow to blame for their single status. Singles have it hard enough! I know a number of single girls in their 20’s who aren’t being “redt” shidduchim because they are from divorced homes, or don’t want to support learning boys, or are not size 2. They are dying to get married, but no one wants to give them a chance. Now add to that pain by saying that these girls made a choice!
Of course they made a choice. They choose to look for something extremely rare (a boy who is a “yeshivish” Ben Torah who does not want to be supported, or a boy that can not reject out of hand due to his huge “list”). Blame that on society that pushes boys to be supported.
Then their parents (or the girls themselves) reject the boy they are actually looking for (a Ben Torah who is working) because he is working or YU type.
Of course you can’t generalize, but in many cases it is the choice made.
March 2, 2011 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747281gavra_at_workParticipantThe gemara says “tav l’maysav tandu, mil’maysav armelu”.
Meaning a person prefers to be married rather than sit alone!
Interesting you mention that.
Big question if:
1: It is a Rov or a Chazaka (i.e. assumed to be true for most or all people).
2: It applies in all cases.
See the end of the 15th perek of Mesechta Yevamos for more detail.
March 2, 2011 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747276gavra_at_workParticipantBecause getting married is not the end all, Boruch Hashem.
Isaiah 56:
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? ?????-?????? ????-????????, ?????????? ???-?????? ??????, ???????? ????????????? ??????, ????? ??????; ?????-?????? ?????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????.
? ????-??? ????? ??????, ???????????? ?????? ?????????? ???-????????????, ?????????, ????????? ??????????; ?????????????, ???????????. ? ?????????? ????? ????????? ????????????, ??? ??????–????, ????????? ???????????: ???? ?????? ??????-???, ?????? ??? ????????.
gavra_at_workParticipantTell them since they like you so much, you should get a 20% discount.
That will quiet them real quick.
gavra_at_workParticipantHave to agree with vicpr here.
If you are going into social work, just be aware that it is not (From what I understand) financially worthwhile, and you are doing it out of the goodness of your heart. Social Work does not pay bills. You are better off (if you want to make a parnassa) going into something else.
gavra_at_workParticipantKeep a roll of pennies for Rude Bochrim on Purim.
gavra_at_workParticipantNone less than Rav Chisda said that his daughters were better than his sons (as part of the Machlokes what BaKol means BB 141a).
Rashbam explains that Rav Chisda was Zoche to have Gedolei HaDor to be his SIL’s (Such as Rava the Amora), even though his own sons were Amoraim in their own right.
As such, whether it is a boy or a girl is not the “brocha”, it is the output of the Neshoma that counts.
gavra_at_workParticipantchayav inish livisumay
One Tipsy Poster.
gavra_at_workParticipantfrum not crum
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That’s what we learned in halacha.
Just proves you can’t trust everything you hear. Look it up for yourself.
Can I assume you are a girl? A boy (generally) would not be taught “THIS IS THE HALACHA” without a source.
Also, Yichud with a non-jew (which Rov says you can assume) is a Gezairah of the Tannaim, not a Lav. Even a NIddah Yisraelis is questionable.
(From Avoda Zara 36B)
????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? <?????? ??????> {?????} ?? ???? ????? ???? ???’ ?????? <?????? ??????> {?????} ????? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ?’ ????? ???? ?”? ?? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ????? (????? ??) ?? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???’ ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???’ ?????? <?????? ??????> {?????}
gavra_at_workParticipantIs an elevator yichud? (Why or why not?)
Most elevators (all that I see) have cameras to the security desk. Perhaps it is a question for old-style elevators.
gavra_at_workParticipantI assure you, the magnitude of the aveira has nothing to do with how many counts you are oiver on.
It has to do with how hard the nisayon was, and perhaps how chamur the inyan is.
Famous Machlokes Rambam & Rabbanu Yonah!
gavra_at_workParticipantcomplete with a mushy poem
I have an issue with a mushy poem by a guy in general, let alone an engaged guy.
However, there is a simple solution. Two flower arrangements. One for the general public, and the second for her private viewing pleasure.
gavra_at_workParticipantGo back to two fingers.
gavra_at_workParticipantYou don’t need me to read the Shulchan Aruch.
And no, I don’t have an answer for the Olam that doesn’t follow the Shulchan Aruch. Perhaps they are not learned in Torah and don’t know it.
gavra_at_workParticipantBecause the question was asked.
Tums
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Remember that your family responsibilities do come first, but learning is of utmost importance as well.
Where did you get that family responsibilities comes before learning?
gavra_at_workParticipantPOster:
Any different than a cabinet full of silver or a Lexus in the driveway? At least Wolf has something to brag about, good Shalom Bayis (may we all be Zoche).
gavra_at_workParticipantapushatayid:
(assuming you are talking to me , not Tums).
I guess you haven’t noticed yet, but in general I try to take no position in the CR, only lay out the facts and allow those who want to make a choice to at least be somewhat informed. I am not taking a position here.
It is Ha Lan Ha Le’hu, Rashi & Tos. in Keddushin. Other meforshim (supposedly) hold it depends if he can support while being away.
gavra_at_workParticipantThe Rambam on the topic (Ishus 12:14)
?? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ????, ?? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ??????? ??????, ?? ????? ??? ?? ????. ???? ?????, ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????; ??? ?? ???–?????? ??, ???????? ????, ??????? ??. ?? ?? ???–??????? ???? ?????? ???????, ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????, ???? ??? ???? ???? ???, ???? ?? ?? ???????. ???? ????? ???? ?????, ??? ??.
SA says similar (EH 71:1)
? ( ? ) ? ???? ??? ( ? ) ???? ???? ?) ??????? ?? ?????
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gavra_at_workParticipantdefinition 3.
I’m just reading what the Rishonim say.
gavra_at_workParticipantI believe the gemorah has been quoted before in the CR, do a search. Also see Rashi on the Gemorah Keddushin I quoted.
gavra_at_workParticipantYes.
But not for girls who are 20 (yet).
gavra_at_workParticipantWhere did you get that family responsibilities comes before learning?
I like your question. Are you asking rhetorically, or are you really unsure of the answer?
Tums: Unsure
You’re giving me indigestion with your questions!
Seriously, it is (as all Jewish things are) a Machlokes. See Rashi & Tos. Keddushin 29B, Gittin 6B. I also remember a Gemorah regarding an Amorah abandoning his family to learn, but can’t remember where it is (probably somehwere in Kesubos).
gavra_at_workParticipantWhere did you get that family responsibilities comes before learning?
I like your question. Are you asking rhetorically, or are you really unsure of the answer?
gavra_at_workParticipant4) Perhaps he will teach spelling. 🙁
gavra_at_workParticipantHave a Chavrusa or Shiur that you are expected to be at. Embarassment at not being there is a motivator.
Reward yourself for learning. If the shiur has Chulent in brings in people.
Rav Yisroel Salanter famously said “If you only have 15 minutes to learn, learn Mussar, because then you will find you have more than 15 minutes to learn”.
And maybe most critical, marry someone who believes that her husband should be Kovaia Itim. Numerous times the house has been hopping, and Ittisa (B”H) willingly wants me to go learn.
gavra_at_workParticipantNo.
As long as it is “in learning”. A Quiet Bais Medresh is sad.
gavra_at_workParticipantBut, at the end of the day, he has to decide if escalating tensions is worth the watch. As I said above, I’d bet dollars to donuts that ANY rav would tell him that making Shalom with one’s in-laws to be (and certainly not distressing his kallah) is worth far more than the minhag.
Where is that Obvious button?
February 22, 2011 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm in reply to: bringing babies and small children to megillah reading #743025gavra_at_workParticipantSome Halachic backgroud:
One is not allowed to lain Megillah from a sefer (non Klaf). However just like a Megillah that is missing some letters or even words (or even an entire Pasuk) is still valid (SA 690:3), and one can read those letters and words by heart (ibid), one can also be read the megillah Via Shomaya K’One from the Klaf, and read “some words” Ba’al Peh. (catching up to where the Koreh is), as long as Rov is read from the Klaf.
However, an entire “Inyan” can not be left out of the Megillah, so it can not be read Ba’al Pah, so it can’t be made up either.
As usual, ask your LOR for actual practice.
gavra_at_workParticipantI strongly agree with Moshe Rose (I am shocked).
A Pocket Watch is a Minhag Yisroel, brought down in Ta’amei HaMinhagim, to represent the Shalsheles of Klal Yisroel (continuation of the Jewish people), which is what the young couple is acting on by getting married. Why anyone would want to change such a beautiful minhag is beyond me.
Besides for that, there is no Chiyuv to buy anything. It is “nice”, but so is not nagging your SIL.
gavra_at_workParticipantI don’t see a problem with what you did by leaving the shul. Had Ittisa told me a simliar story, I would probably do the same.
gavra_at_workParticipantSJS: Part of the issue with grandparents helping is that they don’t necessarily do it for their children, but for themselves.
For example: They want to show off their grandchildren, so they take them to a hotel for Pesach & buy them yom tov clothes, but don’t care if they wear rags the rest of the year.
That’s why it has to be on a case by case basis.
gavra_at_workParticipantI tend to disagree with asking grandparents for money. Once the child is grown up and has his/her own family they are responsible for their own family. If the grandparent want to help out, either with paying tuition or taking the family on vacation, then that is the grandparents will and the tuition committee should not chase after them asking for money. Except for pure donations.
Agreed. And even pure donations should not be solicited strongly.
If you want to reject the tuition assistance since the Father/Mother of the child have no fiscal responsibility (i.e. have a seven figure home but have no idea on how to create an income to support such a lifestyle) then I agree. But if you are rejecting the family due to the fact they were born rich and have generous parents, even though they themselves are poor, I think is just plain wrong.
Once again agreed (surprise). Depending on what the “generous parents” are providing, the school has the choice not to offer a scholarship as well, to “force the hand” of the parents.
In addition, if the family is “cash poor”, a system should be set up to transfer equity to the school, instead of an outright scholarship.
gavra_at_workParticipantI guess the question I am asking is where do we draw the line? If a complete stranger hands over tickets to someone taking tuition assistance does the person need to reject the gift out of principle?
That’s why it has to be a case by case decision.
Also, can you please show me the source where it says that the grandparents are obligated to teach their grandsons Torah?
Keddushin 30a.
gavra_at_workParticipantSo now the question is, what happens if the family is being supported by outside sources. Outside sources mean anyone besides the parents of the child in question. Does that count towards what is considered “income”?
If someone wants to give a gift to their children and take them away for a few days of vacation, should that be counted against a family’s tuition break? What happens if it is someone totally unaffiliated with the family? Where do you draw the line?
Like Chai Lifeline taking a disabled child’s sibling on a trip? Doesn’t count.
Like Grandparents paying to take their children & grandchildren to a hotel for Pesach? Maybe.
Like Grandparents paying for their children’s seven figure home so the child can learn in Kollel? Probably.
Each case needs to be judged individually. I’m just trying to get the questions asked.
gavra_at_workParticipantTOTAL tz’nius
Except for you, of course… but then again, I suppose SOMEONE has to know. 🙂
Kudos for your efforts at making it as private as possible.
The Wolf
I second. Good idea if you don’t require an interview.
gavra_at_workParticipant“I know members of scholarship committees and unfortunately, families cannot be trusted anymore.”
SO DO I . And I’m saddened that you feel Jews are no longer trustworthy. MAYBE if they didn’t feel so violated by these committees they wouldn’t be so elusive??
There are halachos regarding checking people out before they can obtain Tzedaka. Once again, it is a matter of balance.
“Lets not forget that scholarships are tzedaka and you are supposed to avoid taking tzedaka.”
Funny how these same schools preach that you should go into learning, thereby GUARANTEEING themselves no chance of collecting tuition. And also funny how when it’s Abba/Tatty/Daddy who is taking the Tzedaka to LEARN it’s Ok but for kids chinuch it’s not???
Agreed. And?
Its like I say: when you have skin in the game, all of the sudden the rules change.
The SCHOOLS need your extra $1200 so THEY can serve fleishigs EVERY NIGHT(most yeshivos do)???
Gemorah Mefureshes. In addition also see the Taz’s Tayina on his FIL the Bach (IIRC).
And Ein Hachi Nami, complain or vote with your feet.
gavra_at_workParticipantWolf:
I know this is a sore subject, but I would think a school would want to make sure that they are not being taken advantage of, just like you would want someone whom you gave tzedaka to should be “checked out”.
I agree with you, though, that privacy of the applicant must be maintained. The question is where is the balance.
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