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superme -“Okay health and pba ur men so u were never in labor….”
Somehow judging your age from your posts, I don’t think you ever were either.
PBA -“I have a better idea. You pathetic New Yorkers should stop giving birth in ambulances. GO TO THE BLAZED HOSPITAL like everyone else in American does.
I seriously think the existence of hatzolo has turned you all into the most complete lunatics about your health. If you are in labor, you get in your car, drive to the supermarket to pick up some donuts for the nurses so they treat you well, and then drive to the hospital and check yourself in. You shouldn’t be waiting until the last moment and then calling an ambulance.”
Yup. +10 I posted many times the main prob is lack of education -when to go to the hospital.
“And this goes for most other health issues also. If you cut yourself, you get in your car and drive to the hospital; if you break a limb, you get in your car and drive to the hospital. If you can’t drive, you call a taxi. If you aren’t feeling well, you call your doctor and ask what to do; if he says go to the emergency room, you get in your car and drive to the hospital.
That’s how the rest of the world works, where ambulances aren’t free taxi rides. Calling 911 is for when you have chest pains or stroke symptoms or something else which is a minute to minute emergency. I’ll give you a pro-tip: If the ambulance doesn’t call in to the hospital to get them ready for you, then you didn’t need an ambulance.”
Most of the time you’re right. What happened when we were kids?
This is also a lack of education. Lots don’t know basic First Aid – like putting pressure and a clean cloth on a wound and then going to the hospital -so they call Hatzolah.
“If it is really an emergency, you won’t care if the EMT is male, female, or a klingon. If you care, then it isn’t an emergency, and you should call a taxi.”
Or you could call 911. Some systems charge for 911 service – so in these situations – it’s just an expensive taxi!
2scents -“I will tell you why it will not work.”
It would help if you read my post before responding because I addressed some of your issues already.
“There are a lot of issues that have to be handled, which are far more serious than a male delivering a baby.
There is the issue of being in the back of the ambulance with two female responders, there are some members that do not respond to OB calls only they feel that it is not right that they should be together with Females riding home from the hospital.
After all they were through a dramatic situation, it is more than normal to discuss it and give your personal opinion on what should have done differently, etc.”
I addressed this issue in my post above – this is a prob in New Square. I said this wouldn’t happen here.
“Each delivery in NY gets ALS, there will always be paramedics in the back of the bus. Some medics have already sent off the females from the bus due to”
Yeah I looked up the NYS protocol. It says call ALS in the begining note. Do you know how many protocols say this? The fact is that Childbirth is a BLS call. I even heard this from Hatzolah members, if you don’t believe me. The reason you might need ALS is a childbirth or newborn complication(s). These calls are far & few inbetween. If such a case would occur then medics could be called and the females would pack out. They could just take their car that the male member is driving. And don’t tell me medics have to be in the back of the bus on every birthing call. It doesn’t happen now in any childbirth call commonly.
So come up with a real excuse to defend your org. Hatzolah – if it is indeed your org.!
miritchka -“IMHO, this is so wrong.”
Hey, if you join EN -you and your hubby can share war stories.
mordecai98 -Really pretty long? The longest is three weeks after Tisha Bav. Others might be longer but Yom Tov is inbetween.
So do you think anyone can finish basic training in 3 weeks?
Maybe enough time for a reservist, but I doubt enough for basic training.
The ones in Balto and in Lakewood that have Hechsheirim they actually do bake in the store.
chalilavchas – Pray tell – who’s going on Facebook and causing the divorce – the man or the woman?
If it’s the man, then it’s good news – more women on the market.
If it’s the woman, then it’s bad news – less women on the market.
(Not physically, but less for a Ben -Torah to marry.)
ZD -“Jews were subserviant in Arab countries and there were still pogroms”
This could be that when Mohammed tried to make the Jews worship him – not just they didn’t listen, but they mocked him. They should have just ignored him without the mocking. It was after that – that he started with the Jews and the Caliphs after him started codifying laws against Jews. I’m not so clear about the history. But Hashem only punishes for good reasons.
“Jews were subserviant in Eastern Europe and basically did what the masters said, and the Nazis still came.”
This is definitely Not True! Almost all the Gedolim say the Klal did bad things and that’s why the Holocaust happened. The Satmar Rebbe zt’l said is was because of the Zionist movement. Others said is was because of the Maskilim/Reform Movement. R’ A. Miller zt’l said it was because of Chillul Shabbos.
Josh31 -The Torah always says anybody who comes to kill you – Yashkaim V’horgo. This doesn’t make it into a Milchemes Mitzva though, no matter what you say. There are special Dinim to a Milchemes Mitzva which doesn’t apply here in Israel.
And I’ve said many times if you give the land to the Goyim like to Turkey -you won’t have any more wars. The Zionists had No right to make their country in EY. They should have gone to Uganda!
yossief -“More Torah = More Protection, is a nice phrase,”
My heart goes out to anybody who was Nifter/eres young.
But this is more than “a nice phrase”! The Torah says it quite clearly, even more than once -when once would have been enough, that learning Torah protects against the Tochecha (Holocaust).
And Not enough learning can bring Holocausts Ch’vs.
The Torah to me and many others is Not just a storybook -it’s our way of life. Even people like Ben-Gurion understood this and he agreed to – No draft for Charedim.
How could people like the Mizrachists/MO, who keep Shabbos, not understand as much as him?
I think the MO community has failed in teaching Torah properly in their communities!
2scents -“Your a bit off, in New Square, males respond, the females get picked up either with the bus or a member picks them up, they get dispatched (or paged) only AFTER there is a full regular crew.
In fact, it isn’t really working in New Square, the members admit to it. Its all because the Rebbe decided to do it.”
You’re right -doesn’t sound like the perfect situation. But I mean they got it right -that they have the right idea.
It wouldn’t have been too hard to figure out a way. I read on one of the Frum blogs that Hatzola could have had them join. (I added in some of my ideas with this guys’.) They get dispatched along with regular members and the males assess without examination and if the birth is imminent -they deliver. If it’s not imminent -they wait for the females to come to assess & exam and they back off. They stand outside and they drive the bus and help load and unload. They don’t even have to be in the back of the bus -they can sit upfront. One of the members drives their car to the hospital so they don’t even have to be with males on the way back.
There definitely is a lack of Achdus amongst many people. When there is a will – there’s (a relative) a way!
Wolf -“Sounds like a question the B’nei Gad and B’nei Reuven could have asked. I wonder what the answer given to them was…”
Now your true colors come out -you sound just like the rest of the Zionists here.
Do you know what a Milchemes Mitzva is????
Fighting in the IDF – some say it’s a Mitzva – some say it’s a Reshus – some say it’s Ossur.
Those are the Shittos across the board that I know about – from across all Orthodox Jewry – from right to left.
The only one that I ever heard call it a Milchemes Mitzva was a poster here named Avi-K/benignuman.
So it’s nice to know you think like him.
DY -“The issur has nothing to do with who does the milking, as long as there’s no supervision, it’s assur (aside from the heterim which may apply in our times in the U.S.)”
To say in general it’s Assur, no matter what, Is Not true.
Many Achronim are Matter things like cheese, butter, etc.
Some say this applies to powdered milk also, like in the Dunkin Donuts. So acc. to you if it was Assur all the time, except for the US, how could they Matter these things?
So you see that Shittos held that CY was Not as Chomer as you’re saying!
A Woman Outside Brooklyn -“Of course, once those cartons are opened and the donuts come in contact with the triefess is the stores, that’s another story.”
apushatayid -“If you really want DD and want to be certain about the kashrus of the coffee and everything else in the cup as well, invest $10 on a 4 cup percolator, buy a bag of DD coffee (many flavors have a hechsher), buy whatever milk you normally do, buy any and all flavorings that have a hechsher you are confortable with and enjoy your coffee.”
Or the easiest way to buy stuff in DD’s is to stick with the ones with Hechsheirim. Nowadays they have these all over the place. Brooklyn, Teaneck, Highland Park, Lakewood & Balto. are the ones I know about. I’m sure there are many more places too.
ZD -“Thats was Saudi Arabia, not the United States, its not clear to me If you can drink Chalov Stam anywhere else except the US and Canada. I havent even gotten a straight answer about it in Western Europe (England for example)”
apushatayid -“Rav Moshe issued his psak for the USA, not Saudi Arabia.”
That WAS my point! Thanks for reiterating it again & again.
yehudayona – While in Saudi Arabia and other countries they do. I remember reading about this Frum chaplain that almost added the milk -thinking it was Cow’s milk to his coffee. In the nick of time he found out that it’s camel’s milk, but they pass it off as cow’s milk – so the american soldiers will drink it.
PBA -“Context: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/who-wants-to-be-a-tzadaikes-like-rus/page/3”
Which post on that page where you refering to or just the topic in general?
SB -“I tried them, but there was a big language barrier, so they referred me to a doctor in Tel Aviv, which i had no problem with (at this point, my stomach isn’t so much of an issue- most of the time), and I left a voice message on the doctor in Tel Aviv’s voicemail, but i never got a call back, and I tried contacting that guy for two hours.”
It’s good to hear that your IBS is calming down -that means your anxiety is lessening.
You need to recontact them and speak with a person there who speaks English. You need a referral to three Docs. And if there is a language barrier have them provide you with a interpreter.
benignuman -“Let’s stop with the hyperbole. It wouldn’t destroy the Yeshivos. It would just lower their numbers and/or their structure.”
It’s not hyperbole. You think this because you don’t understand what a Yeshiva is, even though you learned in one.
Letting others tell you what to do, how to act, destroys the character/Ruchnius of the Yeshiva. That’s why they closed down Volozon, it wasn’t that learning secular subjects was so bad, it was the fact that it was forced on the Yeshivos by the Gov. -meaning the Gov. was in charge.
As a matter of fact, there is a famous story about the Brisker Rov zt’l that s/o once came to him and asked if they could take money for his Yeshiva from the Medina. He took out a gold chain and broke it and then said this is what the Medina will do to the Yeshivos if you take money from them. Nowadays, we see how prophetic his words were!
PBA -“Health: that is not what they said. You are distorting the record. They did not say the halacha is to be machmir;”
You’re right; they didn’t say it in Hebrew, just in English.
And here’s the quote that I posted above:
“While leniencies exist to allow the coffee in spite of the clean-up issues, Rabbi Moshe Heinemann, shlita, Rabbinic Administrator of the Star-K, has decided against using them.”
This sounds to me like a Psak Din! He admits there are sides to be Maikil, but he PASKENS L’chatchilla you can’t use these Kulas!
SB -“Health: I see doctors at least once a month. Sometimes more often.”
You still have to change them. Did you get ahold of that Frum org. that I told you about?
“I am very tricky to medicate.”
Yea, for the Docs that you’ve seen only, not for any other Med Prof.
benignuman -“R’Yakov Kaminetsky said in response to the Satmar Rebbe “with all due respect to the Satmar Rav, Hashem doesn’t need the Satmar Rav’s permission to perform miracles.”
One thing for sure, he didn’t do it because of the Zecusim of the Chilonim – prob because of all the Limud Torah there. And the Chilonim/Mizrachists (Lapid/Bennett) want to wipe out any Zecus they have in living/remaining alive by destroying the Yeshivos.
ZD – They also hated G-d. They should of listened to the Torah and their lives would have been easier.
Oh well, another post bites the dust.
SB – You need to change Meds.
PBA -“Or, or, or, they can be someich on the halacha pesuka of thousands of years, and assume that nothing in the halacha has changed until their rav tells them it has.”
And who are you to say this is against Halacha Pesuka?
“Essentially, what happened here is that cRc got up and said, “we have a new chumrah, it is against the halacha pesuka, but we think it is appropriate.” Well, that is nice, but I don’t see why anyone in the world should care what they say unless their own rav made the same pronouncement.
The stam is that we follow halacha. I don’t need to ask a rav every time some other rav announces a new chumrah on top of the halacha.”
Well that’s Not what happenned here! They said they found out about the Metzious in Starbucks and they said the Halacha is in such a case is to be Machmir L’chatchilla.
You changed their words -so you can be right. If you have Kashas on their Psak and you don’t think this is based on Halacha -why don’t you discuss it with them? No Anon. person has the right to publically argue with Known experts in the Kashrus field.
And Aveira Gorres Aveira -the next poster with his conspiracy theory decided that Kashrus agencies are just out for a buck, but aren’t really Paskening Halacha!
ZD – And he was right. How many Jews were lost to assimilation in the US? And now Israel -they complain the Charedim are Not sharing the burden. What burden? The burden of making Jews Frei, like they did to the Yemenites, or the burden of protecting Jews? It must be the former, because with the latter learning Torah is the best protection. Yes, more Jews have been lost in Israel to Freikeit than any casaulty in war.
PBA -“I don’t see why the kashrus orgs think it is their jurisdiction to be setting chumrah policy for all of us. Let us each ask our own rav. Their jurisdiction is their expertise in food production.”
This simply is Not true. They deal with all aspects of Kosher and that’s why they have lists on this & that.
PBA -But the fact is you came here telling others Not to listen to these Kashrus agencies -this you had No right to do. If you have your Rov that told you something in private -then fine, for yourself. But this doesn’t give you the right to say My Rov/Poisek argues with these orgs., but I can’t say his name. Without his name people either have to ask their LOR or be Somieach on these Kashrus agencies, no matter how much you claim they are wrong!
PBA -“Who am I say you shouldn’t be machmir? When a kashrus agency under highly suspicious conditions proclaims you should be machmir on something with absolutely no basis for the chumrah–I can say you don’t have to be.”
Excuse me. It isn’t only one. Star-K concurs. I know R. H from Star-k and he isn’t a Machmir, probably more of a Maikil, and yet he says he should be Machmir L’chatchilla, just Not B’dieved. So I still think it’s a Chutzpa for you to say publically Not to listen to these Kashrus agencies. If you think their P’sak is wrong -you could call them up and discuss it with them.
Or alternately you could have said here in the CR -“So and So Mainstream Poisek says “Mutter L’chatchilla.” Instead of “So and so”, you’d have his real name.
yehudayona -TY. Couldn’t remember the name.
Yserbius123 – If stories like that were more common, then maybe the tide could change again.
Most RY’s, for their kids’, and most Choshuva Bochurim seek money more than anything. Sad, but true.
crselection -“My five year old son has pinworms Dr. gave Pin-x and albenza and still didn’t help. If you know how to get rid of pinworms please post. Thanks for your help!!”
“yentingyenta -Our pediatrician prescribes Vermox for pinworms
I work in a peds doc office and called in a prescription for vermox last week. News to me they don’t have it”
Stop with the silly bickering whether Vermox or Albenza. For s/o who claims to be a nurse and working in a Doc’s office should know they might Not be the same drug, but they are the same class and one is Not better than the other.
CRS -the reason it’s hard to get rid of pinworms is simply because of mouth to backside cycle. The kid scratches and picks up more eggs and eats them. My ex-wife used to put on gloves and pull out the worms at nite, but you don’t need to do that. The meds Vermox or Albenza kills the worm, but this doesn’t solve the prob.
You must keep the kid’s nails very short and try to cover the hands at nite. Wash your kid’s hands and the backside with soap often. Put a glob of vaseline on the backside, esp. at nite. This diminishes the itching and makes it unlikely for the kid to pick up more eggs. You’ll still need to take the Meds to kill the worms as long as you have the actual worms.
2scents -“they will be a regular ambulance corp, or a rescue squad?”
They have the license to do it in NYS.
Do you want to join?
But I’m afraid they will reject you because you are a male.
The same way Hatzola rejected them because they aren’t male.
I’m not a Squareh Chossid, but they got it right. Males respond to regular emerg. and females go to woman emerg. in Squaretown.
“will they respond in their private cars using lights and sirens?”
And why Not?
“what area does this license cover?”
NYS -BLS. They do hope to apply for ALS soon also.
The Frum community/comedy is getting funnier by the minute.
coreytothecup -“Has ANYONE seen the new “hatzolah” team of woman that helps with delivery?? SEE YWNCR has had an effect on the klal!!! way to go!!!”
They just got their operating license from Albany.
Who is going to be footing their bill?
PBA – “Health: I say that they concur it is a chumrah, since that is what their document about it says, in the footnotes.”
Whatever it is – they say Not to drink it in a regular situation. They are saying you should be Machmir. Who are you to say you shouldn’t?
“And I say they are a daas yochid, because every competent person I have discussed it with is bewildered by their psak, and that includes at least one prominent mainstream posek.”
Let’s say I believe you on the mainstream Poisek, why isn’t he the Daas Yochid, instead of all these Kashrus agencies?
PBA -“Health: Bkavod, I think the CRC is the daas yachid here. And even they concur that what they are saying is a chumrah and is not the halacha.”
Excuse me, whether it’s a Chumra or Halacha I don’t know, but what I do know is that it’s Not a Daas Yochid that recommends not to use this coffee. I don’t know how you have the Chutzpa, even if you’re a Poisek – which noone here can possibly know because e/o is anon, to say that this is a Daas Yochid?
From the Star-k website:
“It is this clean-up procedure that has soured many kashrus agencies on Starbucks coffee. While leniencies exist to allow the coffee in spite of the clean-up issues, Rabbi Moshe Heinemann, shlita, Rabbinic Administrator of the Star-K, has decided against using them.
But take heart, for all is not lost. Firstly, the above is true only at full-service Starbucks stores that serve treif sandwiches and the like. However, at the smaller Starbucks kiosks, typically located in airports and train stations, sandwiches are usually not offered. The good news is that the coffee making equipment at these establishments remains free of treif blios (non-kosher absorption), and you are permitted to drink the coffee there.
rebdoniel -“Hot coffee can be consumed in any establishment, especially in a disposable cup. Sugar and milk in DD shops both generally have hechsherim, and many hold that both these items in America don’t require a hechsher anyways.”
I don’t know about Treif DD’s shops, but I do know about Starbucks. The cRc posts on their website -that one should Not buy hot coffee in a Starbucks that sells Treif sandwiches. We had this discussion a few times in the CR. The same could be for Treif DD’s. And even if R’ Abadi (& of course our own PBA) holds differently -he is a Daas Yochid. So unless you’re Talmidim of him -Do Not drink coffee from anywhere. Or you can ask your LOR what to do.
I personally think people come here in the first place to ask Shailos because they are looking for Kulos, instead of asking their LOR!
Tachina -“What on earth does it take for health young men to defend themselves and their communities???”
What on earth does it take for healthy or even Not healthy young men to sit and learn Torah, whether they are Charedi or MO or Chiloni? We need the learning to defend themselves and their communities.
“Has not history taught Jews they must defend themselves, the Torah tells us to have an army, gives us halacha and guidelines for how to manage warfare etc. Why has the modern Haredi world turned itself into a bastion of pacifism except when it comes to arguing with one another?”
No, history has Not taught us that! The army was only a Hishtadlus. In of itself without Bitachon in Hashem and his will, it’s nothing! Ever hear of the Warsaw uprising? But the Torah tells us how to protect ourselves in the Parsha of B’chukosay!
“If you would stop looking for why you cannot serve and rather how you can serve you could reach a happy compromise, without selling out on Torah values. Do you not wonder why there is discord between different sections of Israeli society, look into the eyes of those who have lost sons and nurse the wounded whilst living Torah true lives and think of your hateful references and insults.”
If you would stop trying to force your beliefs on the Charedim then there wouldn’t be much discord. We believe the way the IDF is now – It Is selling out on Torah values.
If Israelis don’t want as many causualties as they have, during wars and terror attacks, let them start keeping more Torah. This is the only real protection!
benignuman -“2) The purpose of the draft is that it forces people to make a choice whether or not they are willing to put their money where their mouth is with respect to the Medinah. If someone holds the Medinah is treif, then why should he get money from the Medinah, why should he get unemployment, child checks and free health care?”
Simple reason. The Gedolim at the time decided to go with the flow. They didn’t agree with Satmar and others not to have anything to do with the Medina. They said once it’s here to try to work with them. This includes taking the benefits that are given to any Israeli citizen. The Medina also agreed to Not draft Charedim into the IDF, but had no problem with the Charedim taking social programs and supporting Yeshivos. But you know all this already – so why do you keep repeating the same old dribble over & over? Is it your fierce hatred towards Charedim? Explain it to me -I really don’t understand why you keep saying the same points over & over!
“I don’t think that anyone should be forced at gunpoint to be a soldier (do you really want a disloyal soldier on the battlefield).
This is presupposing that the frum army units will be run al pi halacha.”
Again you contradict yourself. While the MO Rabbis seem to find No prob with going to the army – the Gedolim do find a prob. So why are you forcing your Shittos on us? Do you believe in religious freedom? I don’t see a difference between you and the Catholics & Protestants of Northern Ireland. Over there they believe that they can kill each other because each one has a different interpretation of xianity. So you believe you can punish Charedim monetarily because we have different opinions in Halacha, esp. with regards to going to the IDF.
“As an aside, I find it truly ironic that some people will, in the same breath, say that it is proper to force people to keep all of halacha, but then say that no Gadol has held that Chareidim should be forced into the army, while admitting that there have been Gedolim that held it was a chiyuv to serve in the army.”
I for one, never said that people can be forced to keep the Torah, but I did say No Godol ever said Charedim should be forced into the army. You decided that’s what the MO Rabbis’ hold because they said e/o should go to the army. I doubt they hold this and if you really believe they do, why don’t you ask one of them to come out with a public statement saying that Charedim have to be forced into the IDF? So for you to say that now, which I don’t believe they even hold this, is for you to misinterpret their words for your political agenda!
benignuman -“On a previous thread I listed the Mizrachi Gedolim that held that there is a chiyuv to participate in the army, chiyuvis not just kiyumis. Maybe we understand the word chiyuv differently.”
No, Avi K, you’re are just misinterpreting their words for your twisted politics. Telling s/o who asks you a Shaila (a MO Rabbi) that you should go to the IDF and saying that the Israeli Gov. should draft (ie -force) Charedim into the army against their will, is Not the same thing, no matter how much you Scream it is!
“More importantly, as I wrote above, I don’t mean that someone should be forced at gunpoint into the army. They should be drafted and have to come down for an interview. If they claim that they hold it is assur on the grounds that the entire Medinah is treif and being in the army is an assur of hischabrus, then they will receive a patur, but they will also be ineligible for any financial assistance from the treifene medinah.”
You’re one of the biggest hypocrite, lying, Zionists here.
Drafting them you claim is Not being forced -then why is it a draft? You claim the forcing is Not for jail time, but to lose Gov. money. Since when did the Israeli Gov. give people Kollel checks in the first place? Oh, you mean take away their social programs because they are commiting a crime. So therefore they are second-class citizens – even lower than arabs. But you just said the army will give them a Patur? Obviously you don’t know what Patur from the IDF means! I never seen such double talk and contradictions in one post ever before.
Cool it before we have to start deleting your posts.
chevron -“Health: Where does the Gemora encourage looking for beauty?”
“Ain Isha Ella L’Bonim; Ain Isha Ella L’Yofi.”
Taanis 31- A.
ThePurpleOne -“i alredy went to my pdiatrican and going to a gastro in a week.. and im just asking if anyone had a similer situation.. thanx for ur concern..”
And it’s still probably functional nausea. At least those Docs are making some money off your anxiety.
benignuman -“2) I agree with the Gedolim that support drafting Chareidim.”
Funny, I never heard one Rabbi (even if you hold they are Gedolim) from the MO/Mizrachi community saying you have to force Charedim into the army. All they ever said was -you’re allowed to go -it’s a Mitzva to go. All of a sudden – it’s now e/o has to go. Stop with your lies already!
Oh, sorry for the above -you have Gedolim that say that and their names are Lapid and Bennett!
PBA -I heard people don’t make parties for girls because when you meet people in the st. and ask where are they going Fri. nite -they say to a Zochor. You can’t tell people that you’re going to a “________”!
Torah613Torah -“I’m all for men looking for intelligence, of course, but someone who looks only for intelligence, exclusive of Yiras Shamayim etc, is just as bad as someone who looks for money or looks imho.”
Whether it’s supposed to be this way or not – it is! This isn’t utopia. The 3 things, even from the most Chashuva families, look for nowadays is – money, looks, and/or Yichus. The Gemorrah mentions looks and Yichus and I guess money took the place of Yiras Shomayim.
PBA -“Then you will have 100% (or close to it) of people not serving.
Not quite.
Because then they won’t mind serving, because they won’t worry about being shmadded in the army, and they will be protecting a state which they think is legitimate and worth protecting.”
Wrong for two reasons:
1. If most people in EY are or start keeping the Torah and I’m Not including Fakers which hide amongst Frumme, then Moshiach will be here and there won’t be any need for an army.
2. If even Ch’vs Moshiach doesn’t come -there still won’t be need for an army. You could hire just a few people to serve and that would be enough. All Avrohom Aveinu needed was some sand. The Hishtadlus to protect us against Goyim would be minimal, if even that much.
SB – I think there is a company in Lakewood that has a lot of Frum women in Israel doing Medical Billing for them. Don’t remember the name though. Maybe owned by a Rosenbaum?.
interjection -“Any person who is motivated enough to get a job in Israel without serving can get a patur from the army which will allow them to get a job.”
I really don’t think this is true anymore – maybe it was once upon a time. Because of all the politics I think it’s really hard to get a Patur anymore.