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  • in reply to: SMOKING – why should it be MUTTAR? #884418
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    working harder -“Is it unhealthy? yes. yet there are MANY things unhealthy that we do. Tabacoo use may be on the list of top causes of death in America but it is not number 1. Number one is obesity and all the health aliments that come with it.”

    This is a falsehood. I’ve posted this before here in the CR:

    From the CDC -“Tobacco use is the leading preventable cause of death.”

    Smoking is #1.

    “HOW could it POSSIBLY be muttar to let people eat red meat and fatty meats that have been PROVEN to cause heart attacks?”

    The eating of meat in of itself is Not dangerous, but it’s excessive eating that’s dangerous. Should a person overeat? No, of course not.

    And a lot of foods, in excess, is Not good for your health.

    I’d even say smoking 20 – 40 cigarettes a Year is Not dangerous.

    in reply to: SMOKING – why should it be MUTTAR? #884416
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    Yekke – “SMOKING – why should it be MUTTAR?”

    Until they make an Asifa saying it’s Ossur, then it’s Muttar!

    And of course, the kids shouldn’t be allowed in school because they think that smoking is Muttar because they see it at home and Ch’vs they can be Muspah others.

    And a filter is only good if it filters out all the dangerous stuff, not just some of it, not like the filters they have nowadays.

    in reply to: Infertility treatments – Tzedaka?? #883842
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    DY -“Actually, aside from pikuach nefesh, supporting Torah is a priority.”

    A common misconception.

    First of all -the Mechaber says to give to a Shul is more important than Tzedaka and giving money to a child to learn Torah or to a sick poor person is even more important.

    So it’s not supporting all Torah learning, just kids!

    Second of all, the Gr’a amongst others don’t seem to hold the Halacha is like this Mechaber.

    I heard on a tape from R. Krohn that people give money to Yeshivas because they get Kovod and ignore their poor relatives who are in need.

    The S’A says needy relatives come first.

    in reply to: SLEEVE SURGERY #919797
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    To all,

    There is a new procedure out there called – Gastric Plication. It has the benefit over the bypass (Roux en Y) & the Gastric sleeve that the change in the actual stomach is potentially reversible.

    in reply to: SLEEVE SURGERY #919796
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    ih2ms -“If you’ve ever seen guys chow down a 2 lb plate of chulent on a Thursday night – you’ll understand.”

    Did any of these guys consider moving to one of these real small out of town communities (Frum, of course), where there are no take-outs? If these people would move there -they would lose a lot of weight. Most things to eat have to be made from scratch. IMO, moving to these places would have long -term health lasting effects. They could just go for 6 months to a year. I know I’m not helping the Surgeons get richer, but they will never go out of business.

    in reply to: SLEEVE SURGERY #919795
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    gaslight -“The Lap Band is the biggest pain because you have to keep going back for adjustments. It’s a foreign body that can slip and/or cause infection.”

    It’s a Maaleh that it can be adjusted, not a Chessoron. All surgeries can cause infections. It’s by far, IMHO the safest of the common weight-loss procedures.

    “The sleeve is the first part of the RNY procedure that also involves rerouting part of the intestines.”

    It might have been developed that way, but now some are using it as a stand alone.

    in reply to: SLEEVE SURGERY #919794
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    mobico – “I am close with a world-renowned gastroenterologist (Dr. Julian Paz, from Har Nof), and he has told me that he recommends this surgery over any other option.”

    I’d like to know why he recommends it over Gastric banding (Lap band)?

    in reply to: Infertility treatments – Tzedaka?? #883816
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    HaLeiVi -“But I can be Dan Lkaf Zchus those that aren’t. It just hit them wrong. They weren’t expecting and weren’t aware that these people get paid.”

    This isn’t right. The fact that they are living in their own little dream world is Not being Dan L’caf Zecus. Maybe you can find a different reason. People should know times change. I know here in Lakewood, once upon a time there used to be a guy who volunteered to take the collectors around. Nowadays, since Lakewood has become a hot spot for collectors, it’s a full time job. Noone spends their whole day in Chessed without compensation.

    And as a side point, some people think that if they have certain Tzoros they can spend their life focusing on themselves. E/o is Mechuyav in Chessed, no matter what your situation is. Even a Choleh who Rachmona Litzan is dying can show Hakoras Hatov to his/her’s caretakers.

    in reply to: Infertility treatments – Tzedaka?? #883806
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    The Frumguy -“I’m not sure “Dey Machsoro” applies here. Many families are “lacking” things – I return to my mashal of a swimming pool (by the way, I’m not really thinking of doing it). But if I felt lacking in cooling off during the summer, would that also be Dai Machsoro?”

    No, a swimming pool would not be “Dey Machsoro” as opposed to infertility treatments. OTOH, if a person can’t afford a fan or if a fan isn’t adequate to cool their home, then the lack of a fan or A.C. would be “Dey Machsoro”.

    Acc. to Halacha the lack of a swimming pool can be “Dey Machsoro”, if you were accustomed to having one and you lost it due to financial downturns. Such a person can collect from Tzedaka

    for his swimming pool.

    in reply to: OU kashrus is not reliable? #1214301
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    PBA & others – If you don’t eat OU, then you can’t eat Vaad of Balto. OU is more Machmir in Bishul Acum. Vaad of Balto. holds using the glow bar is enough, but OU won’t be Somieach on this Heter. Also Tarkitor Rov, I think they had a discussion about it here in the CR. OK & Chof-K – many people have Taanos on also. And to say all these Av Dak Hechsherim aren’t Someiach on the main guys is patently false. Why? Because unless they have Chemists working for them – how do they know what is inside all these chemicals? (And chemical ingredients aren’t just a few ingredients inside food products.) They don’t. They are Someiach on the big guys.

    So if you want not to eat OU – don’t eat anything processed – do like some do on Pesach.

    I personally eat almost any Orthodox Hechsher – “Aid Echod Neeman B’issurim.”

    As far as Timtum Halev – I already have my fill from the Net. (;0

    in reply to: Kiddush or Chillul Hashem? #879380
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    Sam -“That’s not you bringing it up, that’s you practically saying that it’s a Shittah that some Pasken by.”

    If you wouldn’t have put words into my statement there would be no problem. The guy made a blanket statement and I corrected him.

    I never mentioned the word Pasken. You put that word into my statement.

    in reply to: Kiddush or Chillul Hashem? #879378
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    Sam2 -“Health: You missed my point. My point was that just because the Shittah exists does not mean that it’s relevant or that it necessitates being brought up.”

    You have No point. I brought it up because there is such a Shitta. Since there is -that’s the revelancy.

    in reply to: Congratulations To The Class of 2012!! #1051436
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    No One Mourns The Wicked – And you’ll miss school more and more -the longer you are in the rat race. With education comes responsibility. Some people cover up what they do wrong – others own up to it and try to learn from it. Unfortunately, those that cover it up aren’t from a small minority. These people might get away with it in this world, but they won’t in the next.

    in reply to: Kiddush or Chillul Hashem? #879372
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    Sam2 -“Health: The opinion of the Rishon(im) who say that Chinuch is on the kid is very minority and is very Dachuk (to say the least) from many Gemaros. Just because people can make good Lomdus out of it does not make it a Shittah that has Halachic relevance at all.”

    Maybe you should read the post carefully before you comment.

    Here it is – “Some people say the Chiyuv of Chinuch is a D’rabbonon on the Kid themselves.”

    Acc. to this Shitta this obviously is the Halacha. Why are you making it sound that the Shitta doesn’t hold it Halacha L’masseh?

    in reply to: Kiddush or Chillul Hashem? #879365
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    musser zoger -“Neither. Since he is 12 years old he isn’t a bar-mitzva and by definition is patur from mizvos, although his parents have a chiyuv to be mechanech him in mitzvos.”

    Wrong on both counts. Some people say the Chiyuv of Chinuch is a D’rabbonon on the Kid themselves. And either way he could still get the Mitzva of Kiddush Hashem because of GODOL Me Shemetzuva V’oiseh Mehme SheAino Metzuva V’oiseh.

    in reply to: Infertility treatments – Tzedaka?? #883798
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    Mod 42 -“I think the OP might be under the impression that “hachzakos haTorah” is the most worthy tzedaka, this would only include shuls, schools, yeshivos, and kiruv but would not inlcude things like tomchei shabbos, chai lifeline, bonei olam, hatzalah, etc”

    I don’t know why you’d think that. The only “hachzakos haTorah” that comes before anything else in the S”A’s list of Tzedaka is supporting your own kids learning. (If you can afford tuition besides taking from your Maaser -then some people hold it’s Ossur to do so.) Then things to help out poor people come next. A Time & Bonei Olam would be considered Tzedaka to poor people because it is something that they are lacking -“Dey Machsoro”.

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878374
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    Tomche -“So to cause Loshon HaKodesh to be used as a street language, complete with all the disgusting ways it is used today in Israel, is just more of a reason why we should make sure it never gets into the streets.”

    You’re basically saying like Sam that LK can exist in Ivrit, but you’re saying it’s Ossur to use it. I disagree; even if you say LK can exist nowadays in modern form -you can speak Ivrit. Because I hold Ivrit is Not LK and it’s a new language that was made up. (It’s not even a Jewish language.) They have a different pronuciation than LK amongst other reasons. If it would be LK because LK can be spoken in modern form -then speaking Ivrit would be Ossur. Many Choshuv Jews have spoken and speak Ivrit.

    What your saying about Yiddish is true. Klal Yisroel did this throughout the ages. The Medrash says Hashem said Anochi in the first commandment of the Aseres Hadibros so Klal Yisroel could understand. The Jews at that time didn’t speak Hebrew. They spoke a dialect of Egyptian. “Anochi” was part of this language. Acc. to this Medrash that’s what it means Shelo Sheeno Es Loshonom.

    They didn’t want to speak Egyptian like the Mitzreeyim so they spoke this dialect – which they (the Jews) only spoke.

    in reply to: Constantly Losing Umbrellas #878630
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    smartcookie -“Health, my Totes broke after 13 minutes…”

    You sure it wasn’t a knockoff? The Totes are guaranteed for life. I lost my Totes in Shoprite and just bought another one. I still have at least two broken junk umbrellas -too bad I never lost those.

    in reply to: Constantly Losing Umbrellas #878623
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    Tomche -“C’mon, fellas. You can get an umbrella for $3. They’re disposable.”

    They are bigger waste of money than losing them. They always break. You can’t even lose them that fast. Buy Totes – It Never breaks. I paid 13 bucks for my Totes.

    in reply to: Constantly Losing Umbrellas #878622
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    AZOI.IS -“Get a white ink permanent marker and write your name and tel number on the inside somewhere. Someone might call you to return it.”

    This is only good if you only bring it to Jewish places, like when you hang up your coat. How many people have never had a coat switched or lost? I’ve had my Lulav and bag taken and the one I have in return isn’t even the same. Close, but pretty obvious it’s different.

    I wouldn’t put my name and tel # on my umbrella. What if you lose it in Shoprite? Do you really want some low-life having this info?

    Esp. in our day and age where indentity theft is rampid.

    in reply to: Constantly Losing Umbrellas #878616
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    SC -“cuz they sit around in Bais Medrash”

    Wrong. Lost mine in Shoprite.

    in reply to: Salute To Israel Parade #878207
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    kfb -“So health- give me a reason then instead of blabbing something’s assur.”

    Don’t you read the response post? I gave you three.

    “I think it’s assur for me to go bc I might curse and get in a fight w the Arab loving “Jews” who call themselves neturei karta.”

    If you think it’s only the NK who love Arabs -you are sadly mistaken. Half of Israelis love arabs and they are called leftists.

    in reply to: Dirty Tissues in Shul #984979
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    apushatayid -“Well, even the sleeve is disgusting because everyone has to see it.”

    Wipe on the backside of the jacket which doesn’t face others.

    in reply to: Should Someone Who Is Considering Murder… #879840
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    Wolf -“The Wolf – be allowed to send his kids to yeshiva? Or be a member of a shul? Or be allowed to participate in the community (or receive community aid and support) in any way?

    What if he actually (unsuccessfully) attempted murder?”

    What if he committed murder?

    I think Jews would ex-communicate these people, but noone believes that so and so could possibly do such a thing. We live in a world of denial and if you go tell people, no matter how high up they are, that so and so did a terrible crime, eg. killing, molestation, etc., they just don’t believe you.

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878367
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    Sam -“However, as I mentioned above, it is seemingly a Machlokes between the Nodah Bihudah and the Sefer Abudraham as to whether or not Lashon Hakodesh can change based on how people speak”

    Where’s the Mekor? Tell me where the Pnei Yeshua is also -I’d like to look it up.

    in reply to: Salute To Israel Parade #878205
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    LemonySnicket -“Are cherrybim and Kfb part of a different religion than yours cause they support Israel? That’s what you make it sound like.”

    And therefore?

    “Btw I went to last years parade but not going this year as I don’t see a need to celebrate a country that kicks Jews out of their homes.”

    What? And they only started doing this within the last year?

    Ever hear of Gush Katif?

    in reply to: Salute To Israel Parade #878204
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    kfb -“health- please answer my question! Why is assur to go?? Is it bc of supporting the state of Israel or bc of tzniyus reasons or bc of bitul Torah??? Which reason is it?”

    All of the above and probably more!

    in reply to: Two Opinions � Which Is the Correct One? #877778
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    RA – I agree with DY. You made an observation. Your wife explained that observation. Whether there are other reasons besides your wifes’? Perhaps; but that wasn’t your question.

    in reply to: Dirty Tissues in Shul #984964
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    Chulent – Use your sleeve to wipe. That’s what e/o did until Napoleon put buttons on them. Now you know how the style of buttons on jackets started.

    in reply to: Salute To Israel Parade #878182
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    kfb -“Oh cherrybim, classic saying that something’s assur when you have no idea what you’re talking about. Why is it assur for men to go and not women? Is it bc of tznius reasons? Then men shouldn’t be allowed to work in the city either!”

    Btw, you’re knocking one of your own. Cherrybim is a big Zionist.

    And btw, you are right – it’s Assur for anyone to go – Men, women & children!

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878358
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    147 -“Heath:- This Zionist Kofer also is part of a Medinat Yisrael that has been a haven to have saved many Jewish lives, say Jewish people from Russia & Ethiopia who had no-where toe scape to, and B’H were able to seek refuge in Mediant Yisrael.

    Therefore, you “Health” must go to the Kevorim” of these Zionists, and beg Mechilo for having had the audacity of calling true Ohavei Yisroel, a Kofer.”

    If I go near their graves I might get smoke inhalation. Like the Gemmora says about Achar’s Kever.

    Why don’t you pull out a Hebrew/English dictionary and look up the word Kofer? Or try a Jastrow. I really don’t think you know what the word means!

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878357
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    Sam2 -“Health: I would never Ta’ana that Ben Yehudah making up words makes them Lashon Hakodesh. I don’t even really hold that modern Hebrew is LK, but I think thinking that it does is a valid Shittah with what to rely on.”

    I don’t think it’s a valid Shitta, but why do you?

    “My point was that if modern Hebrew became LK, it did so because it became common usage among a very large percentage of Jewish people (whether as a first language or a second), not because Ben Yehudah invented the words.”

    That’s exactly my point -usage of words can’t possibly enter these words into LK without these words being Okayed by s/o who knows whether they can be admitted to the language or not. I don’t think there is anyone alive nowadays that can do this. I doubt even in the last hundreds of years there were people who could do this. But maybe there were.

    Let me explain you what I heard in a Shiur about LK. It isn’t like any other language. For something to exist in this world there has to be a Ruchnius counterpart in Shomayim. Eg. -Take a “table”. For us to have a “table” in this world there has to be a counterpart upstairs. What is this counterpart? The word “Shulchan” is the counterpart. So LK is the Metzious of things the way they really are in Shomayim. So if a table didn’t have the name “Shulchan” then there would be No “table” as we know it on this world. The LK word is the backbone of the object. So you just can’t add words to LK -you have to know what’s going on in Shomayim. People without Ruach Hakodesh can’t do this.

    So my point is Ivrit is a made up language, it’s Not Hebrew/LK. Like “Telephone”, what is “telephone” in Ivrit? It’s “telephone” spelled with Hebrew letters. This can’t possibly make it into LK. The real Hebrew word for “telephone” -the only way to know this -is if you know why a telephone can exist in this world. If you know the Ruchnius counterpart to “telephone” then that’s its’ Hebrew word.

    Sam -I only posted this to you because you are probably one of the few here that can understand it.

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878351
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    147 -“Chulent:- An Ivri speaks Ivrit.”

    Wrong. An Ivri speaks Ivris. If you don’t speak Ivris (LK) or Yiddish -you aren’t speaking a Jewish language.

    Ivrit is Not a Jewish language, just a language made up by some Zionist Kofer.

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    Avi K -“You can hold that Yiddish is a different language but I can hold that it’s a jargon.”

    I don’t care what you hold, but you don’t have any proof that I’m wrong. You yourself quoted a source saying it’s a different language. Some people will just argue for the fun of it.

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878349
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    Sam – The Taanim or Amorayim maybe didn’t make the words up, but their usage of them indicates acceptance into Hebrew/LK.

    Who Okayed Ben-Yehuda’s words into LK?

    Sorry; since nobody nowadays is capable of this – it remains a new language.

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    yichusdik -“Health, I’ve read the Jewish Virtual Library too. Absolutely nothing you quoted from there contradicts anything I wrote.”

    I guess you have a very short memory -let me refresh it & quote your post:

    “The proposal almost split the movement entirely, and it was abandoned for good at the next Zionist congress less than 2 years later.”

    It was not abandoned for good. Many Zionists liked the idea and started an org. to implement it.

    “The willingness of the Zionists to consider Uganda demonstrates nothing about their perception of Torah and Judaism. It speaks clearly, though, about their desire to save Jewish lives.”

    Nonsense, as you see they wanted Uganda and then a few other different places. Stop trying to rewrite history to favor Zionists & Zionism!

    in reply to: Psak Halacha on Internet Access #878778
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    Sam – Perhaps, but this guy never learnt enough to know what the Din really is.

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    ZK -“Health: I think he is correct, (not EVERYONE in disagreement is a Megaleh Ponim B’torah Shelo K’halacha).

    Even if one did Teshuva, what he saw remains and lingers on in one’s very being. (Did you just ‘forget’ every improper sight you was yesterday, last week?) No, there’s no QUICK ZAP IT button.

    The famous story of how the Chofetz Chaim trembled at having an improperly clad woman near him. No, things like this are not so simple to be made away.

    I’m not following the whole back and forth, it seems like Loyal Jew is implying that things ingrained and ingested through one’s eyes are there to stay, one must take extra caution. Others here cared to disagree and say that it’s like any other aveira, ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????, tshuva will totally cleanse those sights and thoughts from one’s mind. Oh really?!? Get real! Yes, it can, after hard work, real hard work. Read up. There are organizations that deal with these issues. Lets put it mildly – ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE.”

    I’m not sure of your point – first you say he is correct -then you say it’s not that simple.

    My contention with his posts was that you can do Teshuva, not whether it was easy. He said it’s not wiped away, just like the Egel. This is Not correct. It’s not easy to Teshuva on many Aveiros. Do you think it’s easy to stop smoking? Many big Talmedei

    Chachomim can’t stop, even though it’s Ossur.

    Put things in perspective -you can do Teshuva on everything. And once you do Teshuva -nothing of the Aveira will remain. To say not like this without any proof is Not acc. to the Halacha.

    in reply to: Psak Halacha on Internet Access #878776
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    Wolf – No, I understood what you were saying, but I don’t think you fully understood his remarks.

    in reply to: Psak Halacha on Internet Access #878772
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    Loyal Jew -“R. Gatesheader, by the egel, the slate wasn’t wiped totally clean. There was a stain that remained forever, even after tshuva, even after Moshe’s pleadings, and even Shevet Levi killed the 3000 direct perpetrators. So of course a bachur can be mekabel to stay off unfiltered internet and express regret for what he did. He should even do as the Rambam said and become fanatically anti-internet for a while. But the stain on his neshamah remains.”

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    The Wolf

    “But the stain on his neshamah remains.

    And guess what? That applies to *every* sin.”

    Wolf -you just fell into this guy’s Farfrumta Kruma trap.

    Ya see some people (Krum, of course and full of hate) use things like this Asifa to pretend they are Tzaddikim and others are Reshayim. While you are correct that every Aveira causes Timtum Halev, you missed what that guy said. He said that the Timtum remains even after Teshuva and he compares it to the Egel. Of course this he said without any proof. The truth is – Once a person does Teshuva – the Timtum Halev goes away from every Aveira, including Shmiras Eneyim.

    If this guy wasn’t such an Am Haaretz -he’d fall into the category of Megaleh Ponim B’torah Shelo K’halacha.

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    yichusdik -“Chulent, learn some history. The 6th Zionist congress in 1903 voted in favour of a commission to investigate the Uganda idea, and Herzl himself clearly stated at that congress that even were it to come to fruition, it was meant as a temporary measure to save lives from vicious Russian antisemitism. It was never a first inclination. ( you may have heard of the Kishinev pogrom in 1903 and the Kiev pogrom in 1905, but, then again, you may not care, because one can’t let facts get in the way of one’s world view, right?) and according to Herzl a Jewish state in Israel was the ultimate goal. The proposal almost split the movement entirely, and it was abandoned for good at the next Zionist congress less than 2 years later. the Jewish Agency and Emory university, among many others, have the primary source documents to back this up. I am sure that you have adequate sources for your slander.

    The willingness of the Zionists to consider Uganda demonstrates nothing about their perception of Torah and Judaism. It speaks clearly, though, about their desire to save Jewish lives.”

    Actually Chulent is right, except that he states -“first consideration”.

    You post right out of a Zionist Propaganda Book. It’s very hard to know the history of what hapenned because most of the historians are Zionists. It is probably true that Teddy sought it as a temporary means, but your line about abadonment by ALL two years later is false. And this part of Chulent’s post is accurate – “demonstrates the zionists complete lack of allegiance to, and despisal of, Torah and Judaism.”

    Some Zionists created an org. to create a State anywhere, so this proves Chulent’s statement. The following is from the Jewish virtual library:

    While Herzl made it clear that this program would not affect the ultimate aim of Zionism, a Jewish entity in the Land of Israel, the proposal aroused a storm at the Congress and nearly led to a split in the Zionist movement.

    The Uganda Program was finally rejected by the Zionist movement at the Seventh Zionist Congress in 1905, but Nahum Syrkin and Israel Zangwill called an alternative conference to continue the plan of the Uganda scheme.

    After the rejection of the Uganda scheme on the grounds of impracticability by the British, Zangwill turned his attention to settlement in Canada and Australia. But opposition from local residents led him to abandon the scheme. Expeditions were sent to Mesopotamia (Iraq), Cyrenaica (Libya) and Angola but little came of these expeditions.

    A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas.

    The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878337
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    Sam -“All Ben Yegudah did was standardize that.”

    And who is he to standarize it? This isn’t any language -it’s Loshon Hakodesh. You just can’t add words because it makes sense.

    Holy people like the Mishna and Gemmora can add words, not some Zionist. This is why I said Ivrit is it’s own language. You are beginning to get my point.

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    tahini -“He actually spoke beautiful Ivrit but of course the content was grotesque and nauseating, well at least for some of us.”

    And he spoke Arabic – So What? Because M. Hirsch spoke Ivrit means it’s a kosher language?

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    Josh31 -“What we have now are Sephardic Charedim, Dati-im and a huge number of Jews in Israel who were raised with very little religion. The language needed to reach out to them is Hebrew, not Yiddish.”

    You can reach out to them with Loshon Hakodesh, you don’t need the Treif language Ivrit.

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    Avi K -“Health, I just looked it up and while sevral letters are similar there are many that are totally different – and the Bosnians, being Moslems, use the Arabic alphabet.”

    More of the same as before. Can’t admit you made a mistake? Some letters are the same and even ones that are different are very similar. The Yiddish and German Alpha-Bets are not even close. I posted the Alpha-bets:

    Cyrillic alphabet Latin alphabet IPA value

    ? ? A a /a/

    ? ? B b /b/

    ? ? V v /?/

    ? ? G g /?/

    ? ? D d /d/

    ? ? ? ? /d?/

    ? ? E e /?/

    ? ? Z z /z/

    ? ? I i /i/

    ? ? J j /j/

    ? ? K k /k/

    ? ? L l /l/

    ? ? Lj lj /?/

    ? ? M m /m/

    ? ? N n /n/

    ? ? Nj nj /?/

    ? ? O o /?/

    ? ? P p /p/

    ? ? R r /r/

    ? ? S s /s/

    ? ? T t /t/

    ? ? ? ? /t?/

    ? ? U u /u/

    ? ? F f /f/

    ? ? H h /x/

    ? ? C c /ts/

    ? ? ? ? /t?/

    As far as the rest of your post -you finally admit that there are those that hold it’s (Yiddish) a separate language. It’s a Machlokes. So I can hold it’s a different language.

    in reply to: 50,000 Heroes, ????? ?? ???? #877442
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    T. Gimpel -“it doesn’t change the fact that what they said is correct: any Jew who refers to himself as a practitioner of Judaism should not browsing the web without a filter.”

    You missed the point. Maybe s/o who just uses the Net to Browse should only do so with a filter, but not e/o does use it just for browsing. Again, you put it in black & white terms. There is a grey area were people need the Net for different reasons and this is Not compatible with filters. I gave you an example, but that obviously didn’t help.

    in reply to: 50,000 Heroes, ????? ?? ???? #877432
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    Todros Gimpel -“To all those who seem so very threatened by the whole internet filter business.

    Unless you are addicted to sites that you shouldn’t be going to, the only explanation I can think of, is that you feel that your parnasah is under threat.

    Which line of business requires you to rely on 100% unfiltered internet access?

    I myself am a web site programmer who needs to access many different sites and I use a fully approved frum filtered ISP without problems.”

    You don’t post too often here, so I don’t yet have a gist for your train of thought, but it’s helpful to read all the posts on a topic (even if there are a few topics) to avoid a myopic view.

    Not everything is Black & White – Kosher or Trief. But I do find people live their religion like that. It makes their lives simpler.

    Here is an example of something that is in the grey zone:

    “The Chassidishe Gatesheader

    Same here. For me, there is the practical matter of being unable to use a filter for technical reasons (a filter simply wouldn’t work for me).

    But aside from being an IT professional I am also quite deeply involved in medical things; I studied medicine in the past for a while and this continues to be a major interest. And no, I do not shy away from any subject. I learn about gynecology-related subjects as much as about neurology or infectious disease. I am not going to censore what I learn.”

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878326
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    MDG – “I know he was a kofer, but that does not invalidate everything that he did.”

    True, but everything he did is suspect. You seem to ignore my point that this guy who made Ivrit wanted Jews to speak this language in their homeland of Uganda. If this doesn’t sever all ties to Loshon Hakodesh, I don’t know what does!

    And I don’t know how you equate the words that maybe came into Hebrew later than the Tanach with words that Ben-Yehuda made up.

    Whenever words that came into the language even from other origins, these were Okayed by the Mishna, Gemmora, Rishonim, etc. to become part of LK. Some guy who in the last century made up words for his language Ivrit – no way do these words become part of Hebrew or Loshon Hakodesh.

    “It seems to me that you want to harshly criticize, which is based on Sinat Chinam, and that is wrong. I’m just trying to dan l’chaf zechut.”

    You seem to be ignorant of the Halacha. It is a Mitzva to hate Reshayim and the C.C. says it’s a Chiyuv to Dan Reshayim L’caf Chov! Ben-Yehuda falls into this category along with all his Zionist peers.

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    MDG – “Shairootim means servicies, or as I would translate it in this case “facilities”. You might say to someone in English, “I need to to use the facilities.” It’s just another way to refer to the “Bais Hakeesay””

    So you’re agreeing with me that it wasn’t a good example because it’s slang? You are trying to make it sound like I’m wrong somehow. Also, the Rambam uses the word Taalis -so this word wasn’t made up recently by some Koifer. So there is no comparison to something like “Dayog”.

    I did some research into these languages. Did you know they had this argument in Europe which language should be the Jewish language -Yiddish or Ivrit?

    Let me tell you about this guy Ben -Yehuda -he just wasn’t a non-religious guy -he was Anti-religion. He started out as a Frum kid -became a Maskil -then a Zionist.

    It seems he wanted a language that people in the street could speak, not just learned Chachomim. This I don’t understand -why can’t they speak LK? So I think he made a language to mock LK. That’s why he decided to put the Sefardi pronunciation to it -to make fun of it (LK). If my hunch is correct, it might be Ossur or definitely preferable Not to speak Ivrit. Some say people who know Ivrit before they learn Torah don’t get the proper meaning of what the Torah means because of the different meanings of Ivrit. When Teddy H. liked the English (British) idea of the Jewish homeland in Uganda, Ben-Yehuda was all for it. I guess this kind of proves he wanted nothing to do with Kedusha. So his language is No offshoot of Kedusha -it had to me mocking the holy language (LK).

    Now back to Europe -the Zionists started pushing their Hebrew (Ivrit) there and a lot of Jews didn’t like it. A bunch of Non-Frum intellectual Jews got together in Vilna in the 20’s to counter act this. They started an org. called YIVO to push Yiddish as the Jewish language.

    So I should be worse than a bunch of Freye Yidden who saw through what the Tzionim were doing with this Ivrit, and speak this ridiculous language?

    in reply to: Enough with the yiddish already #878319
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    Avi K -“Health, according to #1 Yiddish is a dialect. Having a different alphabet does not make a difference. The Serbs and Croats use different alphabets but Serbo-Croatian is one language.”

    You’re getting much more clever than ever before -you almost had me fooled. I researched that language, even though one is written in Latin (Croats) and the other Cryllic (Serbs and others), the Alpha -Bet is almost exactly the same -they had examples of both.

    Yiddish has a totally different Alpha -Bet than German. I looked this up also – From Wikipedia:

    Notice they write it’s a “separate language” because of the different alpha-bet!

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