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squeak -“plus 40 years of cardio pulmonary,”
Just FYI, this would be a surgical specialty. In Medicine, these two are separate specialties.
HealthParticipant2scents -“However he uses the fact that he medically trained very often in his arguments. He should have the audacity to reveal his level of expertise.”
I don’t have to reveal any more about myself because you don’t like my posts. I posted here many times that none of my opinions here should be considered as a professional opinion. If I was doing that I could charge and be open to liability.
And btw, what medical degree do you have, if any? You seem to post your medical opinions here too. And you post like you are some sort of authority. What are you – a First Aider with 6 months experience?
HealthParticipantfrumnotyeshivish -“Health – discriminating against a person who won’t work Saturday when one has a reason why having an employee who works on Saturday fills a need, has nothing to do with anti-semitism. Nothing. Why should the Government or an employer give you special treatment? What about the next person, who doesn’t want to work on Saturday b/c they just want off? Must they be hired too?”
Your argument holds no water because it’s a Federal law. They must accommodate religious beliefs unless they can prove doing so will cause them minimal hardship. I didn’t write the law, the Gov. did. The Antisemitism is that they didn’t uphold the law in the federal courts.
“As far as your attack on who has more ahavas yisroel for whatever sect, the irony is that your stereotyping of the sects is so hateful.”
Calling s/o MO is just differentiating between different types of Jews. Stereotyping has a different connotation. You hate this Shomrim guy obviously because you can’t see that this is a miscarriage of justice. Why do you hate him? Do you hate e/o besides yourself?
“There is a question of fact here as to what happened.”
Yes and there was testimony on the facts of the incident.
“The judge was supposed to be the fair and objective fact-finder.”
Key words -“was supposed to be”.
“Having seen all the evidence, and having made CREDIBILITY calls, the Judge ruled on the facts. Nothing in the judge’s story is far-fetched. In the judge’s story, a beloved Jew did an understandable, yet illegal act, and now must face the consequences.”
Yes, I understand this. But the question remains -where did this Judge get her evidence from? The only evidence presented in Court was a scenario of self-defense. She can’t just make up a different scenario for whatever reason. This is called a miscarriage of justice.
“Caring for someone does NOT mean that you believe they can never do something illegal. Does it?”
How do you know this person did something illegal? The evidence points to self-defense in spite of the Judge’s opinion. She obviously ruled the way she did because she believes in PC and not necessairly -“the truth and nothing but the truth”.
HealthParticipantmiritchka -“Shame on all of you who criticize hatzolah! I only pray that you dont ever need their services! Yes there is alot of politics in hatzolah, but it does not shter their amazing work to help you all!”
C’mon, you can do better than this. Think of some good lines besides “shame on you”.
To all the women posters:
This actually is a topic based on logic, not emotion – so if you have a logical post -I’d like to hear it. Please refrain from all the emotional ones.
HealthParticipantmewho -“some people are a little full of themselves and should not consider themselves so high and mighty.i am referring to poster(s)not folks from teh organization.”
Like I posted above -“I’m getting richer -the lines keep coming.”
I’ve heard every line a hundred times already.
HealthParticipantRaphael Kaufman -“Hi Health, I haven’t been around for a while but I see that you have remained consistant in your position. My statement was correct. the instigator of the confrontation is the one at fault. Whether or not the shomrim guy instigated a confrontation was a matter for the court to decide. The court apparently decided that he was, in fact the instigator.”
I understand the Court decided this, but my statement of “miscarriage of justice” was based on how she decided this. After reading the quotes in the media -I can’t find any reason besides her prejudice & desire to be PC. The only testimony she legally has – is the Shomrim guys’ and he said he had no intention for a fight or “confrontation”. The 911 call which was also included in evidence occured after the boys had left. This can’t possibly tell what occured at the time. What evidence does she have that the Shomrim guy is lying? I think NONE.
Also, remember he testified that he only hit the kid after he charged him with the stick and he didn’t think he could out run him.
“In any event, getting out of the car to “talk” to the “victim” was a bad idea. The Shomrim kid should have reported to the police and followed the “victim”. He would only be justified in taking further action if he witnessed an assault taking place.”
Granted. But this isn’t illegal. And “Hindsight is always 20-20” or “Hindsight is always better than foresight.”
“P.S. I do, in fact, believe that the kid was tried fairly and the anit-semitism that you and others on this blog perceive to exist in the U.S. is in your mind. That is not to say that there are no anti-semites in America. It’s just that institutional and social anti-semitism simply does not exist in the U.S. I know you believe otherwise, but you believe a lot of other things that I see differently. Biz 120, we’ll find out who was right. Mestammeh we’ll find that we were both wrong.”
The reason you think that way is because you haven’t seen it. I was also asleep until I experienced it. I can’t even count how many jobs I was turned down because I wouldn’t work on Shabbos. When I sued in federal court – I kept making the point -what hardship, let alone minimal hardship existed why they legally didn’t have to accommodate me. They only proved that they needed Sat. employees, never why they couldn’t accommodate me. This question was ignored all the way to the Supreme Court. So systemic Anti-semitism has two options. One like in Europe where they did mistreat Jews financially and physically. And the other couvertly, like here, where they write laws protecting “Shabbos” observers in employment, but don’t enforce these laws in the whole federal court system.
HealthParticipanttakahmamash -“I’m not claiming I am an expert – I’m claiming you’re not.”
I never claimed to be an expert in law. But I know enough to call a spade – a spade.
“Claiming knowledge about a legal case from reading media quotes is ridiculous.”
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. I’m not filing a “brief” to the court, which I’ve done in the past, I’m commenting on a verdict. I have every right to base my comments on quotes from the “media”. I don’t have to assume these quotes are wrong. I’m still shaking my head from your post -I can’t for the life of me figure out where you are coming from!
HealthParticipantNo One Mourns The Wicked -“What is your profession? I’ve always wondered since you seem to know a lot about the medical field, but didn’t explicitly say either way…”
There is a reason for my privacy. But since you don’t seem to think about privacy – what do you do & where do you work? What gender are you? How old are you? Where do you live?
I Btw, have answered some of these in previous posts.
HealthParticipantYenta – “or emergency etc.”
Why would an emergency make a difference to a student? What can a nursing student do – are you even allowed to touch the pt. without the nurse giving the Ok?
When I was doing an ER shift to become what I am now -there was this one Nurse who thought she was on top of the world. Nurses love to boss people around who they think they are on top of. I had some run-ins when I was a medic student. Anyways recently when I had down time in the ER -I’d like to start lines and do skills to practice. So she saw me and said “go start a line over there.” I said “fine.” I did it. Then later she said -“Aren’t you a Medic student?” (They had some Medic students once in awhile in that ER.) I said “No.” So she said – “Oh, I thought you were.” I said -“No problem -I like to keep my skills fresh.” She never said boo to me again except once.
HealthParticipantfrumnotyeshivish -“My question to you Health: If there was a Jewish kid walking in a black neighborhood, was approached by two intimidating folks in a car saying you don’t belong here or the like, then a few minutes later seeing those two folks approaching him, the kid picks up the nearest thing he finds, then gets beaten. How would you feel about a self-defense argument then?”
Your question basically is -if the tables were turned in this case would I be prejudice for the Jew? So my assumption is – you think the case over here is where a guy picked up a stick to defend himself?
Where did you get this notion from? You decided to make up a scenario to fit your PC agenda? The testimony of the Shomrim guy was the guy picked up the stick when him and his brother were back in the car. Only after seeing the guy walking around with it did they decide to go out and speak to him again. And there is no testimony from the “victim” saying this did not happen.
You just can’t make up what happened here because of prejudice.
The Irony here is that you are attacking one of your own -he is Not a Yeshiva guy -a more modern type. I have Ahavas Yisroel and despite him not being like me – I still stand up for him. Who do you stand up for – if not Frum Jews?
HealthParticipanttakahmamash -“Health, I thought you were a health professional. When did you graduate law school?”
I know this might be mind-boggling to you but I can have knowledge in more than one subject, even if I’m not a lawyer.
“Were you in the court room for the trial? Have you reviewed the transcript?”
Oh, the only way to know what was said was being there or reading the transcript? The media quotes for me posting my opinions isn’t good enough?
“Tell us some the actual rules of law you know that were used in this case, as well as those that were violated.”
Obviously you’re claiming to be some lawyer or legal expert, just FYI I don’t respond to demands. If you have any legal or logical reasons why you don’t agree with my posts -feel free to post them. If I disagree, I’ll tell you why. This isn’t a courtroom and you aren’t the Judge where they demand answers for any Naarish thing that pops in their head. And yes, I’ve been in Court many times.
HealthParticipantRaphael Kaufman -“As a matter of procedure and law, a confrontation that leads to a fight is the fault of the one who initiated the confrontation.”
Are you that PC brainwashed that you don’t see the injustice here? This isn’t a bar room fight. His testimony clearly stated that he went back to the “victim” to TALK to him, not to disarm him. Upon approaching the “victim” – he came running towards him menacing the stick. You have no proof of the Shomrim guy ever even wanting a confrontation.
Why must you defend this Judge? Because you think that in the Good Ole USA there isn’t any Gov. anti-semitism?
Enough with your fancy-foot work talk -legal ease -this a classic case of Miscarriage of Justice.
And even if the “victim” testified (which we know he didn’t say anything) that the guy’s intention was to disarm him and he never menaced anybody, but the guy knocked him down and hit him with the radio – I still say the Yid should have been found innocent.
Why? Maybe the “victim” is telling the truth and not the Shomrim guy? Simple; because anybody who has an intention of disarming s/o doesn’t go out without a weapon. “Well maybe he didn’t have anything besides his radio?” Every car has a tire iron & esp. s/o trained in the Israeli army wouldn’t get out for a “confrontation” without a weapon. To say differently is just trying to fool e/o how this was a “Just” decision!
HealthParticipant147 -“But meanwhile, I would recommend that no-one gets involved in any patrol group. Between this case & the other episode in FL, let society find out the hard way, without being a guinea pig on a patrol organization, jeopardizing your own freedom & innocence.”
I agree with this statement.
“Baltimore is one of the most corrupt cities in America, but I won’t even mention some of the atrocities on YWN, as much as I would love to, to save other people from their own possible downfalls in the Maryland quagmire.”
I don’t agree with this one. I’m quite familiar with the dirt that goes on, but your mistake is that it doesn’t occur elsewhere.
It occurs in many places, but they have developed the technique of keeping it very quiet. Other towns & cities know how to sweep things under the carpet. So it’s a Maaleh in Balto. that some people aren’t totally sheep like I find in other communities.
HealthParticipantYW Moderator-42 -“If you could go to either the Internet Asifa or Siyum Hashas but not both, which would you choose and why?”
If I would agree to the idea of an Internet Asifa (which I don’t for many reasons) and I’d have to choose between the two -I’d pick the Net Asifa.
Why? Because Shloimah Hamelech says it’s better to go to a Bais Ovel than a Bais Simcha. At the Siyum a person feels good and at the Asifa one is getting Mussar.
HealthParticipantakuperma -“3. The kid who was convicted doesn’t seem all that innocent. He was seriously violating Shomrim’s policies. Note that when the Shomrim arrived, they appear to beieve the “victim” had been wrongfully attacked.”
You know good & well Shomrim’s policies have nothing to do with the Law. Their opinion is Not worth didley squat. They weren’t there during the incident anymore than me or you.
Now let’s see – on one side there is testimony saying self-defense – on the other side there is mumbling & asking for the case to be dropped.
Seems to any non-prejudiced observer that the Judgment would have to be Non-Guilty due to self-defense. Any other Judgment would not be based on any rules of law. This would be called a miscarriage of justice!
HealthParticipantANONANO -“Based on the public facts of the story it is reasonable to assume that he was stepping overboard his call of being a shomrim member. there were numerous instances before the attack where he should have thought about what he was doing and have called the police. I’m not saying he’s guilty but he did cross the line and it wasn’t a miscarriage of justice. Shomrim is to assist the police , not to replace it.”
I wasn’t talking about his role as a member. Actually Shomrim threw him off. I was talking about being convicted of a crime. When you are defending yourself against being attacked this isn’t called assault. So yes, this is a miscarriage of Justice!
If the so-called “victim” would have testified something else then you couldn’t blame the Judge. Judges are allowed to believe African -Americans over Jews. But if there is only one testimony -since when does the Judge have the right to find him guilty?
Surely the Judge knows of the Constitution and the rights of e/o to defend themselves against attack?!?!
HealthParticipantBe Happy – Look up – “support” did.
HealthParticipant2scents -“Health, the fact that you wanted to join hatzoloh, leads me to believe that you are an emt or paramedic.
Is that correct?”
Was both; now I’m past that. I have a few different hats in the medical field.
HealthParticipantAinOhdMilvado -“Health…
I am forced to assume that, according to you and “the likes of you” that the abnormal, unnatural victories of the IDF in ’48, ’67, and ’73, were due to the incredible SUPERMEN of the IDF since HaSh-m (according to you and “the likes of you”) opposes the state and believe that HKB”H would not have been responsible for all those victories for the traif medina. Still, – accounting for all the Scud missiles that fell in Israel during the Gulf War, and the thousands of katyushas and kassams that have fallen in more recent years with, B”H, extremely limited injury or damage – well, that is a bit harder to explain.”
No, that’s what the Freye think. It’s sad that you are living in your own little dream world. How about reading all the posts on the topic before commenting?
You think that there are only Zionists, like you, living in EY?
There are actually thousands of Bnei Torah. This is why the enemies always lose. I pity the Israelis because this protection might not last given the recent attacks on the Tal law and the Charedi population in general.
Keep dreaming that Zionism is Hashem’s will!
HealthParticipantAinOhdMilvado -“those who post all the vicious and venomous anti-Israel comments here clearly have no idea of what the physical and EMOTIONAL state of world Jewry was at the end of the Shoah,”
It’s true I don’t, but I wasn’t born yet. But the Brisker Rov & the Satmar Rebbe who lived through the Holocaust were extremely Anti-Zionist. These Gedolim knew what was good for the Yidden, not the likes of you.
“and can not and DO not have any musag AT ALL of what life as a Jew TODAY would be like (anywhere in the world) if there was no state of Israel.”
Acc. to the Gedolim I just mentioned, life for Jews would be much better. The only reason you think differently is because you have been drinking the Zionist Kool-aid your whole life!
HealthParticipantmikehall12382 -“I am a Zionist and proud of it. There is nothing anybody in this world could say to me that will change my mind, not even for a second.”
I am an ANTI-Zionist and proud of it. There is nothing anybody in this world could say to me that will change my mind, not even for a second.
HealthParticipantironpenguin -“A few points – shaarei arazim is not what it used to be, it now consists of very difficult cases, not just “sug beis” as you put it but problem kids who are violent nad many who can’t live at home, not the place for a nice mentch.”
I really can’t say your wrong because my relative left awhile ago. But one thing I’ll tell you is that it’s definitely worth the time to go and speak to the Menahel. They can also fill up and you can discuss any concerns you have about it changing with him. He is Not one of those Faker types. If you ask him point blank -you’ll get a straight answer. Don’t nix it until you speak to him yourself.
May 4, 2012 4:40 am at 4:40 am in reply to: Did I ever tell you about the time I almost got gored by a bull? #874147HealthParticipantARWSF -“Health, are you male? I am also divorced”
If you don’t mind me asking -what happened when you last left us?
I hope you don’t think I’m being nosy, but it’s like watching a Soap (which I personally hate) -stopping a few months and then trying to pick it up again. We last left you and you had a newborn & you were dealing with some Post-partum issues.
I’ve discussed my life quite often here, but don’t feel pressured to discuss yours, only if you want to.
May 4, 2012 4:28 am at 4:28 am in reply to: Did I ever tell you about the time I almost got gored by a bull? #874146HealthParticipantFeif Un -“If I’d been wearing those pants, I would have fallen, and could have broken my neck!
well thats that. Just thought I would tell you about that time I almost broke my neck on a springs day.”
I don’t get it. What’s your point? Is this an attempt at humor?
HealthParticipantyichusdik -“My other grandfather and grandmother were yerushalmim, my grandfather went to the original eitz chaim yeshiva,”
And so did my Zaida go from Europe to Yerushalyim and my Bubba’s family who also came from Europe to Yerushalyim happened to be close to the Minchas Elozer (Munkatcher Rebbe). So it’s not a contradiction to have Yichus who are pro-Yishuv Haaretz and Not Tzionim like we know nowadays.
My family emigrated to this side of the Altlantic, but what happened to a lot that stayed there is they went with the flow.
At that time (30’s, 40’s & 50’s) you had to be a Odom Godol not to get swallowed up with the Zionist fervor!
HealthParticipanttakahmamash – Wrong. There is still an Inyan. The second day is the actual day of Kabbolas Hatorah. Also, the Masseh brought down in the Sheloh happened both nights.
May 3, 2012 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm in reply to: Did I ever tell you about the time I almost got gored by a bull? #874143HealthParticipantYW Moderator-42 -“Health, don’t call the Hippo ugly. He has hippopota-feelings toooo…”
I know it wasn’t so nice for me to say; but then again it wasn’t too nice on his part to try to have my hand for lunch. I should learn from this never to start up with anyone with a big mouth.
That reminds me – Two cannibals were eating a clown – One said to the other -“Something taste funny to you?”
Two cannibals were sitting around the dinner table – One said to the other -“I hate my Mother-in-law.” So the other replied -“So just eat the potatos.”
May 3, 2012 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm in reply to: Did I ever tell you about the time I almost got gored by a bull? #874141HealthParticipantYW Moderator-42 -“I heard a story about this guy who climbed over the fence to pet the bull.”
Seriously, it takes guts to pet a bull on the same side. These bull fighters are either real tough guys or really stupid that will do anything for a buck.
HealthParticipant2scents -“Health, almost every organization has issues, this doesnt mean that the organization should be shut down.
Of course the ultimate thing would be if there were no issues, but this does not warrant a shut down.”
I never advocated closure – that’s why I said I’d work for them for an excellent salary. I don’t play politics.
HealthParticipant42 – Why should there be an Inyan to stay up Fri. nite?
HealthParticipantsimcha613 – “and the time was ripe for all of Klal Yisroel to return. We chose not to and we planted ourselves in the USA instead of EY. If we all would have went together, Mashiach would have joined us.”
I’m sorry your post is way off. I agree the time was ripe, but certain Jews angered Hashem by making a Medina.
And even if it can work the other way around – the most normal way is that Moshiach is the one who brings us all to EY, not the Tzionim.
May 3, 2012 3:14 am at 3:14 am in reply to: Did I ever tell you about the time I almost got gored by a bull? #874128HealthParticipantARWSF -“Health, you have kids? Are you married? I didnt know you could also be so funny.”
I do have kids, but I’m divorced.
It wasn’t my kids in the story, but they were relatives.
I wasn’t trying to be that funny, just trying to turn a serious situation into the lighter side.
HealthParticipantmewho -“the small group that you may have issue with should not besmirch the organization as a whole.”
Of course it does. Why are they still there?
HealthParticipantChallahback – I’m getting richer -the lines keep coming.
HealthParticipantgolden mom -“2scents i agree i am nervous to put what i know here”
Please don’t be. Just change the names to insure privacy.
HealthParticipantshmoel -“Even if they act wrongly?”
Poster’s line amongst many others is commonly used. If I had a dollar for every line -I’d be a millionare!
HealthParticipant2scents -“Health,
and why is that?
are you looking for a job? there are lots of Private ambulance corps out there.
why is it that you think that they should pay you more than a regular medic gets paid?”
I’d answer the question, but it wouldn’t make it through moderation. I’ll answer simply – Politics and I’m a medical professional.
HealthParticipantJosh31 -“Bold assertions regarding Moshiah are very damaging.
Statements like this create an IRON WALL between many Jews and their Father in Heaven.”
Your mistake is that you think I made these assertions – Gedolim have.
The only ones who are making any Iron Walls are those Jews who don’t believe in Hashem like many Freye.
Read the News about them (Israeli cops) arresting a Jew for complaining about an Arab harrassing his kid. Being so PC and so assimilated also creates an IRON WALL between Jews & Hashem!
HealthParticipantscuttle613 – Let’s say for argument’s sake I agree -what about everything else? You mentioned LH, but there are worse things that go on. Where is the Machoh on everything? And some of these things preceded the invention of the internet & still no Machohs?
May 1, 2012 6:08 am at 6:08 am in reply to: Did I ever tell you about the time I almost got gored by a bull? #874123HealthParticipantalways runs with scissors fast –
Since you posted your Bubba Meisa -now I have to do mine.
I also was in a barn and the bull was shackled on all fours. When I came near it started moving so much -I thought it would break free -so I quickly left.
Next story – visiting the Glades. The alligator was just laying quitely on the ground. The kids I was with started throwing pebbles. I panicked – thinking he is going to make one of us his dinner -so I rushed e/o back to the car. But instead of charging it went back into the pond/lake.
Final Bubba Meisa -I was in the zoo and was at the hippo cage.
I thought it looked cute -so I decided to pet it. I put my hand through the fence and patted it on it’s face. Within a sec it opened it’s mouth and clanged it shut. Luckily I was quicker than him and got my hand out in the nick of time!
Moral of the story – Don’t Pet Hippos! Anyway they are ugly & the face is full tough wiskers -their face is Not soft, even though it looks that way.
HealthParticipantSyag Lchochma – They do give scholarships for some. And don’t tell them you heard it on the net.
HealthParticipantsimcha613 -“Health- are you saying that the medinah is the reason Mashiach isn’t here?”
If you’re talking about the here and now -we have many problems, not just the Medina.
I was talking about right after WWII. I think Moshiach would have come if they hadn’t made the Medina.
HealthParticipant2scents -“I would love to join hatzoloh.”
Once upon a time, I was willing to Volly for them. Now I wouldn’t do it unless they paid me. And not a typical EMT or Medic salary either.
HealthParticipantKind Kalman – My concern is about very bad things, not on the level of smoking, but much worse.
I’d gladly list them, but it wouldn’t make it through the moderation.
April 30, 2012 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163149HealthParticipantsimcha613 -“Health- I understand that most of the government officials don’t thank Hashem publicly. First of all they are probably not frum, and they wren’t raised that way. They are tinokos shenishbu and they probably aren’t so responsible for those actions. It’s more likely our responsibility to help them see the light. And also, why can’t you be a little dan lekaf zechus? They probably do thank Hashem privately, and while we know it’s a wonderful thing to do so publicly as well, maybe they just feel uncomfortable doing so.”
I wasn’t judging up individuals. I was saying that the Medina is based on Kefira. So I wouldn’t expect them to mention G-d.
“Either way, this is all irrelevant. The fact is, is that since hakamas hamedinah there are more Jews, Torah, and Tefilah in E”Y since probably the end of Bayis Sheini. Derech Hateva tells you that it is because of the medinah, which means in reality that it was Hashem using the medinah as a messenger. I’m not sure why so many people want to think that the Torah and Tefilah and everything good that came since 1948 is in spite of the medinah. That doesn’t make any logical sense.”
Well, I think all Yidden would be there already with Moshiach, if not for the creation of the Medina.
“Assuming that Hashem was using the medina as a messenger to deliver all of these wonderful things to Klal Yisroel, doesn’t it make sense to show the medinah hakaras hatov? Doesn’t it make sense to show Hashem hakaras hatov for giving us the medinah and everything good that comes with it? It just seems like bad midos to try and look for every little bad thing the medinah has done just so we can ignore the good and pretend that we don’t have a responsibility of hakaras hatov.”
Hakoras Hatov for the good, small things that they do -yes, even if the larger picture of the Medina is bad.
And Btw, Hakoras Hatov works both ways. The Israelis have to have Hakoras Hatov for all the people learning Torah full time -this protects e/o from the enemies.
HealthParticipantZD -“Another thought the internet was evil and the cause of all problems and couldnt wait to go , He couldnt wait for the event and the tremoundous speeches.
Another just didnt care”
This is the main thoughts in Lakewood, except for me of course.
A portion think the first way and I’d say most don’t care.
The ones that don’t care aren’t going to buck the trend or the PC and probably will go – subjecting their beliefs to the first way.
HealthParticipantholy brother -“Call Rabbi babad from releif 7184310352. He will set you up with a proper therapist that can help you. Chazak vemutz!”
Mods -I’ll try again.
I agree with going for therapy. It’s also a good idea to go to a Psychiatrist -in case you need medication.
HealthParticipantironpenguin – Yeshiva Shaarey Arazim in Monsey looks for good guys who aren’t necessary the best. They are able to bring out the best in Bochurim and sometimes these guys come out better than any so-called “Top Yeshiva”.
HealthParticipantKind Kalman -“Health- I believe you. Now we can just be friends.”
I’ll answer your first post generically -so it should make it through.
I’m not against an Asifa against the Net per se. I just don’t want anybody to get the impression that there is nothing else wrong in the Frum community. There are worse things and not only worse things, but there are also other bad things. We have to work on everything to be please Hashem. I don’t like tunnel vision!
HealthParticipantDont Worry Be Happy -“While the world may stand on Torah, it does not stand on phony Torah learners and the Yeshiva’s have many, many more than just a few of those.”
To say this is just a lie based on Sinas Chinum. Most aren’t phony -no matter what you say.
“A guy who’s learning as “best as possible” and that best doesn’t amount to much is wasting the talent that he was given by Hashem, not contributing to the world properly by using his weaknesses instead of strengths and defrauding the people who work hard to support him, in other words, he’s a deadbeat.”
There is such a concept of just learning without going out to work. Many Gedolim support this idea.
“A yeshiva that doesn’t encourage that type of learner to move on towards a career, while learning on the side and giving tzedaka is complicit in genaiva from financial supporters.”
No, they (money supporters) understand what learning means, not like your Haskofos.
“The backlash from SOME tsionim may be anti-Torah, but for most the issue is that the system of expecting financial support for learning is being abused.”
This is their Sinas Chinum because they don’t understand that their enemies haven’t wiped them out due to all the Torah Learning.
“Another reason is the total lack of derech eretz towards women and any Jew that isn’t willing to conform to the most stringent practices and latest chumra declared by the ultra chareidi community. It just smacks of ignorance, not piety and that’s not the way to earn respect and admiration. Somebody who wants the perks of living a holy lifestyle needs to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.”
They do actually walk the walk and not just talk like people like you. The MO & Chiloni think they can go wherever they want – dressed however they want. The Frum people Should make a Machoh due to the starting up of the MO/Freye. I never saw a protest in Tel Aviv because the Frumme aren’t trying to push their way on others, but don’t come to Frum neighborhoods and stick it in their face.
“The world stands on how we apply the Torah that we learn, not purely the intellectual process of analyzing it. The tragedy of Rabbi Akiva’s students, the biggest learners of that time, demonstrates that beautifully, they didn’t die because the neighbor dressed immodestly or went to work, they died because of lack of derech eretz among each other.”
Exactly, so how come you have No respect (Derech Eretz) for Torah learners?
“There are very, very respected gedolim in Israel, who deal with the dire poverty that is the direct result of everybody feeling pressured to be in kollel, who absolutely advocate for the majority of chareidim to go to the army and to get a higher education.”
Like I said many Gedolim disagree.
“I work in that world and know firsthand of strategies that have been discussed and even implemented to help transition these men into becoming productive citizens. The kollel system was historically a much smaller system and never meant for the staggering amount of people that are currently playing the kollel game.
It’s disingenuous to pretend that it isn’t a huge strain on the finances of the community and Israeli gov’t and it’s extremely ungrateful to ignore the contribution of somebody who gave up his life or is living with life changing injuries so that Israel could exist.”
I never said to ignore his contribution, but the Freye ignore the contribution of the Bnei Torah.
“The way of this world is that Hashem creates miracles, but we are responsible to do our hishtadlus.”
And it’s a partnership between the learners of Torah and the Army.
“How can you possibly discount the contribution of somebody who took a bullet for the rest of us?”
Read my line above. If you want to dimish the Israeli causalties -how about the Freye increasing support for Torah learning instead of decreasing it?
“Btw, many religious Israeli’s, who are shomer shabbos and learn do go to the army. Do you feel a total lack of gratitude towards them too?”
Again, I was discussing MO’s along with the Chilonim. Once they leave Yeshiva and go fight, even if part time -they aren’t full time learners. It’s the full time learners who are protecting the Army and the Israeli citizens!
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