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Rocky
Can you give me the name of that thin bingo matzahThe biggest price tag on matzah this year is $80 a pound from a certain famous Brooklyn bakery (when done as a Chaburah).
Gadol
The answer is always follow the money.
Our elected officials, are less interested in ethics and much more in getting reelected and paid
Every bail out now means an indebted rich person that can contribute to a current reelection campaign or a post governmental service cushy board position (or a significant donation to a presidential library)
When bitcoin first came on the scene, I was wondering why it was not instantly outlawed. The only purpose to bitcoin initially was people using it for illegal payments, either on the dark web, or to be paid for ransom ware attacks. Somebody got paid.Gadol
Just to play devils advocate
why is it better/more fair to have an adult in those places?
Many boys that age are larger/stronger than full grown women who we would allow in those jobsJackk
“That is seriously misguided and evil. The defense of using child labor is what capitalist’s dream about.
It is anti-torah , totally corrupt and completely unethical.“Since 13 is the basic age of majority, wouldn’t the Torah have no problem with putting a 13 yr old to work?
And since giving a job to someone is considered the highest form of tzedakah wouldn’t such a person be a baal tzedakah and not an evil capitalist?Rif
As for a source for imprisonment
Rambam rotzeach 2:5
Bais din is given the power to deal with people beyond the scope that is taught in makos
They can conclude a guilty verdict based on clear evidence (not necessarily eidim) and have the ability to give out many types of punishments
As I route above, I’m not a huge fan of imprisonment, and I recognize the evils
That said for violent offenders it’s either that or capital punishment
I don’t see any other solutionsRif
Actually I would never say “it’s a Chesed “ in terms of people on death row. I would kill them on the same day they are convicted. Bc that’s the halacha. Bc it is considered cruel to let them linger in limbo.
As for your second post I have no idea what you are talking about. It sounds like you want to rehabilitate gang bangers. It sounds noble. But it’s not. Noble is creating a society that has no tolerance for violent offenders and hunts them into extinction thereby setting an example for everyone.Ujm
The founding fathers were not dummies. There was logic behind the original idea of a jury system.
The problem is niskatnu hadoros. They never could’ve imagined the type of average citizen we have today.
Certainly, I agree that we need to do away with the jury system for civil litigation. The insane amount of awards given for frivolous lawsuits is outrageous.
However, there’s still logic to the jury system for criminal prosecution. It was always meant to be a checks and balance against prosecutorial overreach.
I heard a lecture once from a lawyer, that said there’s not a business owner that doesn’t violate three federal laws a day. Assuming that, a judge, could always find something by the book to convict you of. The jury might be more inclined to take extenuating circumstances into considerationRif
Your post is incredibly simplistic. You take an ideal system, created for a God fearing Jewish society and try to extrapolate to a violent goyish society.
I happen to agree that there have been many abuses in the American system. There are many problems. Examples include putting people who need help (ex drug users) into jail rather than treatment centers. The violence allowed in jail . Sentencing guidelines for non violent offenders, etc.
But what would you have us do with all the violent criminals out there who can’t be convicted under halacha?
Would you allow violent gang members back on the street Bc you can’t find two witnesses and proper hasra?
Just the opposite, the number one task of a government is to protect its rule-abiding citizens. Allowing violent criminals back on the street to harm its citizens is not only a violation of halacha (one of the Sheva mitzvos, dinim) but a great evil of the value system known as liberalism.
I might also point out, that the rabbanite in Israel uses the jail system.Rif et al
Who believe that you can run a violent society based on strict halacha: please open a shulchan aruch (or an aruch hashulchan) to CM Siman 2
It’s not long
Read it and tell me that you still believe halacha :
1) forbids jail for violent offenders
2) requires eidim to put someone awayJackk
Here’s some numbers. Average national competency for math 38%. In New York where I live 57% of high school students are deemed “college ready“
When I graduated high school. I was college ready with the two hours a day of secular studies I got. Yet somehow a huge percentage of high schoolers can’t seem to get there. We can blame the system, Parents, culture, etc..
But isn’t it more logical to put people to work rather than waste their lives in endless failures in the educational system?
Isn’t it better for their self esteem to be producing rather than constantly feeling as a failure?
Wouldn’t it be better for the serious students if the frustrated and trouble making students were out of the system?Takah
You are clearly unfamiliar with the CR.Ujm
Those people in Walmart are not being brought in front of a jury, seeking a pretext for conviction of a double homicide.
And is eating live crickets actually a problem of ever min hachai?First
I made an error
At least one rishon (rambam Sanhedrin 24:4) holds BD can kill outside the strict rules
An ex he brings is Shimon ben shetach and his execution in one day of an entire, witches coven
He says BD had the right to do what they wanted to either protect yidden or make an example of people. Not l’doros but as horas shah
Second
As I said this guy is guilty
He’s admitted to numerous financial crimes
And a goy is chayiv misah for that
So why are you losing sleep over this?Ujm
while it may be true that BD needed to follow a set of rules to carry out an execution
It is not correct that they had no recourse outside that set of rules
The Gemara and rishonim discuss jail and their ability to even go so far as tossing someone in a pit and not feeding himGadol
I also highly doubt that it’s $75 for a pound. It is probably $75 for three matzos
they usually just sell them as a set of 3 for the sederHas anybody tried the Costco?
If yes, what can you compare it to?
I need very thin matzah
ThanksRocky
I’ve tried that (heating them up)
I have tried several “off brand” Israeli and European brands
Even with heating them up, I have found some of them to be comparable with eating frisbees
Maybe they were suitable for putting into soup, but that’s about it
If anybody can give me a specific “off label” brand That not only taste very good/thin but also has a great hechsher , I would sincerely appreciate itGadol
There is an inyan of using matzah made post chatzos on erev pesach (similar to the Korban which was brought after chatzos)
Litvaks like me aren’t happy with it
For two reasons
You are already past the zman biyur
Two . It has turned into a big moneymaker, and from what I have seen, I think corners are being cut. The last “mitzvah “ matzah I had at a heimish relative was so under done that it was probably chametzDo you think he is innocent?
In general I wouldn’t convict on circumstantial evidence
But
1) he lied about being there. He was caught on camera at the time and scene of the crime
2) he is a big crook and a goy is chayiv misah on theft
So why are you losing sleep over thisThe vue is probably smallest on this list
I would add
Agudah L upstairs
Bergman downstairs
But I’m terms of size kamimetz/kings way/chaim Berlin elementary downstairs and if you want high end YI Ave KThe sophisticated commenters here know what an ad hominem is
The issue at hand is not the truth but a willingness to engage
Many people can speak the truth. But you don’t see us giving much credence to (l’ havdil, even though he is technically Jewish )conservative commentators such as milo. He often speaks the truth. But he’s always distasteful about the way he goes about doing it.
If you want to raise certain points based on things that you’ve read in the name of CW. Here’s a thought. Just raise the relative point. I for one have little interest in engaging the merits of a person who shows such arrogance to charedi rabbanum.Shimon
Doesn’t mashiach Ben Yosef go first?
And it just happens that my family has a mesorah that we are descended from Yosef
Just sayin’Here is a less sarcastic answer
Whether or not chazal knew of cells is irrelevant, it is impossible to recognize it on a halachic level
For if we did, you wouldn’t be able to eat, drink, breath
The air we breath, the water you drink is full of microscopic organisms. (we breath in 1 million microorganism a day)
chazal always works on a level of “nerah l’anyim” whether it is for kosher drinking water or picking an esrog.
So, no, I can not imagine that we are worried about ascribing death at a cellular level (which, as i said in my previous post, is natural anyway)
However, that said, on a larger scale even though an amputated limb can theoretically be thrown to the dogs. We are supposed to treat it with some reverence and most say a kohen does need to stay away from it.approximately 1 percent of our body is renewed everyday, cell death occurs, new cells are created
so every 80-100 days you are literally a new you
this opens new horizons to my thinking
we are literally reborn 4 times a year
maybe I should have to do pidyon haben on my bachur 4 times a year (or hatafas dam-not sure he will be happy about that one)
refuah sheleima and good shabbos!I never saw a rebbe do anything inappropriate while drunk just the opposite the Torah and mussar would flow
I looked forward to the mussar I would get from my rabbeim on Purim
When they drank they reached into our soul and told us something that we needed to hear but maybe they couldn’t say while sober
I am a better man for it
And I emulate them
Always mikayem the mitzvah and never losing control
The worst my kids can ever say about my Purim drinking is that I fall asleep at the table
Drinking like any other mitzvah requires shemush and proper executionsquare
what is your fascination with him?
dont you think that any truth he may speak is outweighed by the way he speaks it?
You do not find the way that he disparages rabbaneim distasteful?
Everything he writes sounds like 1 big lecture on how he knows best and everyone mainstream is the one with the problemand posting such content is certainly the height of maturity and not “attention-seeking” at all!
Square
That answer lacked logic
I enjoy mountaineering books
If two people attempt to make it to the top of Everest. One makes it and the other doesn’t. Neither is necessarily an expert.
The guy who makes it to the summit, will find that there’s a market for his books and people will even hire him as a guide for their own future expeditions.
The other guy …Would you go for marriage counseling to a therapist who’s never been married?
Would you go for advice to someone Who had never had kids to ask them questions about raising children?OP
I think it’s safe to say that since the vast majority of Gedolim in EY have decided to deal pragmatically with the state, that they essentially agree with your opinion.
No one argues that the Zionists in control of the country is less than ideal. And no one argues that it’s not a chillul Hashem.
Yet all those Gedolim minus a few, have created political parties, and attempted to work within the system, because they’ve essentially taken your approach.Square
He is still not married
So how can you consider him an expert?
Anyone can write a book. And there may even be some truth in it. But isn’t it just the blind leading the blind?Bshtei
He’s yu-ish so he won’t be everyone’s speed
That said
Can we call him an expert if he’s still not married?Pekak
But she did it without compassion
That is what the meforshin criticize her for
Not the criticism itself
And you ignored my entire post
Isn’t the ezer knegdo vort that a wife should give constructive criticism?
We are only told to not give tochacha if it won’t be listened to. But advice?
I’m middle aged and still get calls from my parents on what I am doing wrong
It’s the best thing in the world to have friends and family that care enough to give you advice and make you think
You don’t have to take the advice
But it’s caring, not bullyingPekak
Please
The only rational part of that comparison is that obviously it needs to be done l’shem shamyaim and with compassion.
But sometimes the truth hurts.
If you go to a yeshiva it’s with the expectation that the mashgiach will hit you with truth . Whether or not it hurts. Because that’s what we need.
The same when one goes to a therapist or coach.
And what are friends good for if it’s not to tell us what we need to hear?
And the same with spouses
Is it your expectation to go through life without any criticism? We all need guidance and criticism in order to grow.Pekak
You missed a fun shabbos
Had some older married couples over at the meal and we were trading stories based on this thread. I Heard 3 stories of older singles being sat down by their friends to have an intervention.
Essentially, these friends were told that if you want to have kids then it is time to settle. Now some people will bristle at that word but it really means settle down as in making a conscious decision to find a nice guy and finally get married.
All of these 3 women got married late 30’s to early 40’s.
All ended up having kids
All married guys that on paper they would have rejected a few years earlier(divorced with kids, chassidik/litvish/sephardi etc)
and, most importantly, all are happy
Is it really bullying? Those interventions helped, but only because the singles listened. Many more do not and stay single and it’s tragic.My only problem with huju was with his spelling of toeva
I’m glad you didn’t call it rechilus
because lets face it, we all know at least one marriage (or maybe a half dozen) that have broken up over this issue. “it’s a sick world out there, and getting sicker”I only tried basic shaylos, and it did pretty well
But I am upset that it refuses to help my son make a nuclear reactor for his science fair
keep getting a pesky “we can’t help you do something illegal” responseGadol
When it comes to asking shaylos, it’s how you phrase it.
Keep in mind I am leaving out details, but he was phrasing the age issue as being lshem shamayin. I knew better. And I called him out on it and offered to conference call with the RY to clarify the issue.
He did not take me up on that offerPekak
You may be right
But up to a point.
Now to be honest, I have never said “don’t be picky” to someone. But I have had many coaching sessions where I was strongly trying to imply that.
And everyone has their cheshbonos.
The guy who is 50 and still looking for a supermodel (age 35 or less) , will certainly have his cheshbonos on why anything else will be settling. “And I just spoke to my rosh yeshiva, and he told me I dont have to settle”.
Or the girl, now 40, dating the same guy for the second (or third time) in 5 years. There isn’t anything wrong with him. She likes him. But she feels she can do better. Is it bullying for my wife to tell her “you are throwing away your last chance to have kids”?
I would argue not. I would say it is the greatest chessed to try and drill some sense into people.
There are plenty of people I no longer “red” shidduchim to based on what comes out of their mouth in terms of expectations. And I do not lose a bit of sleep over it.When creating a list of brain dead things people say
Nothing beats what you hear coming out of peoples mouths at shiva housesAnyway
Telling older singles to “not be picky” is the greatest piece of advice they will ever hear. I was involved in the older shidduch crowd for years. I can tell you that every person who I knew was being “too picky” is still not married now (a decade later). And many who did get married told me that they had to first change (read : “stop being so picky”) before finding a shidduchakuperma
there are tshuvos on this
specifically on the problem of a gun in shul violating the mishna
solutions given range from concealment to removing the bulletsI do not know if we are allowed to mention other jewish websites (that start with a v and end with an n), but
Rav Hoffman published an article on friday on this question. He has more than one tshuva claiming its a kli shemelachto l’heter
The theory is, that the vast majority of the time the gun itself isn’t being used, it is simply acting as a deterrent
I am guessing (though this wasn’t discussed) that the ammo becomes no different than a battery in a watchActually I like gadol’s answer
Very Reaganesque trickle down economics
And I never thought of gadol as a conservative
It was also the same answer given by the Vanderbilt family when they threw massive parties during the great depression. After all the seamstress making the ball gowns needs to make a living also.Always
Or as was said 200 yrs ago
Two centuries ago, a somewhat obscure Scotsman named Tytler made this profound observation: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.Ujm
If that was true wouldn’t we see UTJ/Shas having a proportional increase in seats?
Chareidim are a growing sector
Yet shas has lost seats compared to 10 yrs ago
And UTJ is stagnant
Clearly either my math is off or many younger chareidim are voting elsewhereI’m sensing a pattern to your quotes
Reb Eliezer
I am not sure what you are trying to say
Certainly the term chassidus as used today is not the same as the gemarah
As the gemarah uses it, it means a chaver (or maybe we can say a learning boy or a man of mussar)
as it is used today it means a movement/sect that moved away from standard litvishnis
It certainly doesn’t take into account the religious commitment of the individual
I assure you that , just because modern day chassidium have krazaldikah peyos, it doesn’t mean that the majority of chassidum aren’t still am haaretizim
If you truly believe I am wrong then I might suggest a trip to boro park.
Or maybe spend some time in a young chassidish bungalow colony. The kiddush after davening has mandatory attendance, as opposed to the davening itself.DaMoshe
Hence the term am haaretz
The definition is someone who is basically frum but not stringent or careful on certain matters
The reality is that most people, even those that learned in yeshiva, are “am haretzim”. Another definition (chagigah) is that they reject criticism/hadracha (as in your case)
A chaver is someone who is careful of all d’rabunans and accepts hadracha. Adapted to modernity; a person who wants to grow and changes his ways.
There is a tension between the two groups. Chaverim have to limit contact with am haratzim but without creating “aivah” (hate).
If you consider yourself a chaver, you don’t have to worry about accepting their trumah but you still need to limit contact. Go learn while they celebrate. It doesn’t mean that the party isn’t worthwhile, if it injects some ruchniyos and keeps them from watching TV for a night then kol hacovod. And maybe it will inspire them to learn more and become a chaveravirah
I actually was quoting the chayai adom except you left out a word that I included, “vilna”
The idea that the masses were learned ignores the numerous gemoros referring to the differences between the minority chaverim and masses (am haretzim)
It also ignores the testimony of almost every discussion on this topic found in biographies of the time
Rav Miller who learned in slabodka talked about this all the timeAnd isn’t that what chassidis is all about? Didn’t it start as An alternative form of ruchniyos for the average joe (am haaretz) who couldnt relate to the idea of sitting and learning?
I’m not denying that they don’t have great lamdin. I benefit greatly from the mesivta gemarah that is a chassidik publication.
The masses change, their spiritual needs change. We adapt a little . As long as those who learn torah lishma keep shteiging hopefully they always are the example of what the ideal is and hopefully they keep those that do “adapt” on the right derech.We used to have a megillas taanis. I’ve always found the name funny as it should have been megillas simchos. In either case the idea of klal Yisroel or even an individual celebrating a yearly seudas hodah for an event of significance is clearly based in antiquity. So a seudah on the rebbe getting out of jail certainly has a basis.
That said, if we are honest , we would see that the shuls are not exactly bursting at the seams at night. We don’t live in Vilna of the 1800’s where the baal ha Batim put in a few hours after work(at least not in Flatbush). If you learn a little gemarah you will see that the majority of klal Yisroel has always had the status of “am Haaretz” serious learning and practice was never for the masses, so I’m on board with kosher outlets that have a little ruchniyos mixed in.5T
All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality? (Mark Twain)
Your questions essentially boil down to an attempt to understand Gods plan, and no one can know that.
What is clear is that our stubborn insistence on following Rabbinic Judaism has allowed its adherents to perform a feat of survival that is miraculous and noted as such by goyim.
And your question of “what is the point?” Is somewhat shallow coming from someone who hasn’t know the adversity of a holocaust. Those that did and still saw “the point” are the ones that keep the miracle known as “the Jew” immortal.Avirah
Assuming you are still here
See Mishna Brura 271:81
He makes it clear that the people at the table should not be drinking Pagum
The mevarech needs to pour off from his cup to theirs, then they wait for him to drink first