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Also
I reject the original premise
Wealthy balei batum do not create a “keeping up with the jonses” attitude. We all know we are in a different category
It’s your next door neighbor who can’t afford it who does it anyway.
Choose good neighbors. Choose a good shul where there is no pretense. In my shul every kiddush is the same rich or poor, Most weddings are basic and those that are not, I have yet to see anyone feel compelled to keep up with the rich mispallilim.
So be a good example. The next simcha you make, dial it down, make it basic and set a good example.
and OP
I am curious
Why harp on this and not the mansions going up in lakewood with $250K chandeliers? I have a much bigger problem with that than weddings

Modern
Would you care to elaborate on the “bad translation “
Are you referring to “you should not kill”?
Because ArtScroll gets that one wrong also (metsudah correctly translates that one)

Drr
That’s so yeshiva bachur
Refined palates have moved beyond sauce

Someday
I’m not sure if you were serious but clearly that isn’t a good pshat
You can certainly touch the moon. All you need is a pressurized tent.
You could even farm the moon given the right botanical conditions. After all Mark Watney grew potatoes on mars.

not

Neville/Ujm
We know hatzaloh takes calls on shabbos for goyim Bc of aivah
So if a Jewish doctor walks by a church (he’s got his lab coat on/ stethoscope over his neck, doctors bag in hand etc)
Suddenly someone runs out and says “someone inside is having a heart attack you need to come!”
The proper response is “sorry, can’t do it”?

CT
Don’t blame you on the NY part
Avoid at all costs
Actually what I was saying was that the second amendment was written at a time of mandatory membership in the militia, making the second half of the clause logical. The militias became the organized (national ie federal guard) and unorganized (aka the NY/state guard)
If you look at the NY military code and us code all able bodied men are automatically members. They might not be sworn in but that is how it is written. I’m guessing it’s a holdover from the original mandatory membership of revolutionary times.
10 code us 246 and ny military 2 establish all able bodied men (17-45)as being in a militia
Now I may be missing legal nuance, but that’s why I’ve got you

Come join me in shul. Someone has to keep the world going by actually doing some learning

Ct
Fun fact (I just learnt this) technically (at least in NY) every able bodied male between 17-45 is already a member of the unorganized militia (NY Guard) though not on active status till called up by the governor
So we need to refine your grievance
Since the second half of the amendment is clearly meant to make sure the citizenry is ready for active status, so is it fair to say you are against gun ownership by anyone other than law enforcement and active military regardless of the wording of the amendment?
I know, this isn’t the thread for this, but you can always respond in the mass shooting thread

Da
I can accept the first half of that statement, but the second half breaks from reality.

CT
Just point of fact
The national guard is not the “militia”
The NY guard is the militia. It only operates in the state. It can not be federalized and serves as a theoretical check and balance

Always
That was Richard the lionhearted. The “benevolent “ king of the Robin Hood fables.

Is it really that hard to believe that this wasn’t done by many chashuv rabbanim throughout history in the name of good relations with the monarchs of galus?

CT
Wise decision
A relative of mine has a German shepherd
110 pounds (I call it a wolf)
My kids want to know if they can put a saddle on it and ride it

CT
I don’t doubt that it lifts the spirits of many
I just have an aversion to having a pet that can always decide to eat me
Wouldn’t get a baby tiger for the same reasons

When you take into account armed resistance against a govt . It depends on the govt.
Afghanistan beat two superpowers. Because neither of them were willing to do what the nazis did. In Yugoslavia, when the country tried to fight, the nazis killed 100 for every German death. And 10 killed for every act of sabotage .It brought a quick stop to armed and overt resistance.
But Yserbius continues to make a very good argument for increased police and judicial action against violent offenders. In other words we need to stop the bad guys and keep them from getting guns. That isn’t the same as taking everyone’s guns. It means not tolerating chaos and that includes BLM looting as much as “armed” Jan 6 “insurrections”

The little
Though there is some truth to what you write, in general, I’m going to strongly disagree with you
Being the product of a divorce and having been to numerous therapists as part of the process, I’m going to tell you that it is a big mistake for a frum person to go to a non frum therapist
Even amongst the frum I would give it a 50-50 of the ones that I would consider to be helpful versus unhelpful (and in some cases damaging)
The best advice that I give to people is, there is no substitute for common sense
And you can pick that up within one to two sessions with a person. If something seems off about the therapist, go elsewhere. Unfortunately, because somebody seeking out a therapist is in a vulnerable position. They are often prone to thinking that the person sitting behind the desk is somehow in a superior position to give them advice
A good percentage of people who become psychologists are people who are still trying to find themselves.
You need to find a therapist that has common sense, frum values, and is acceptable to all parties.

Damoshe
We are all familiar with the mishna brura on the subject
Yet many are not makpid including some very chashuv kehilos

Amil
In my states (ny and nj) you can’t buy a gun unless it is registered
Every purchase goes through a ffl and is registered
I’m fine with background checks and limited purchases. From what I can tell the biggest source of illegal guns comes from mass purchases in the south. It’s fair to limit everyone to a single purchase every 30(NJ) to 90(NY) days.
I also think the NRA’s position of all or nothing is harmful. There are those who have served on the NRA board who agree and would seek compromise. I hope they succeed.
But let me ask you this?
How do you think people in your neighborhood would respond if they attempted a U.K. style gun confiscation?

Avira
Acc to google 95%
But I know plenty in the Monticello area and they all do
I know one guy that was homeschooled till 10. He told me that when he finally went to public school he realized that unlike in his home, most people don’t actually eat venison for breakfast

Avira
I take issue with you calling hunting “barbaric”
As a sport maybe. I have a problem with someone killing a grizzly just to stuff it.
But the vast majority of hunters use their kills for food etc so why is that any more barbaric than your local butcher?
35% of American gun owners hunt. Many more with bows. They aren’t barbaric. They are just living life as it was done when men were men.

Yserbius
So I just fumbled my way into another thread on mashiach
Not being aware of the rambam on moshiach I reached an improper conclusion
But now that I’ve read it, and it’s a problem. Bc the rambam speaks about klal Yisroel going to war
How can we possibly do that armed with .22’s ?!?!
Do you realize you are literally standing in the way of moshiach?!?!
Admittedly a possibility: when the time comes he will break open the armories for us. Or perhaps we will get magic weapons, but I still think the rambam wasn’t pro gun control

Cs
Excuse me if I missed something ( I didn’t read every post) but I believe you and I have very different definitions of the words halacha and chazaka
In order for something to have a chazakah there can not be doubt. it must, by definition, be established. So the only way to have a chazakah of being moshiach is if moshiach was actually here (shofar blowing and all) and then we can point to moshiach and say “there he is” I.e. there must be an established certainty.
As for halacha , I don’t even begin to understand how you are using that term in this context of the theoretical . Halacha is usually established by majority consensus of poskim. Certainly no one outside of chabad would give that consensus. Besides, how do you pasken that someone is moshiach?

Yserbius
I’m not sure you would count me in on your side of the discussion. After all to quote my wife “I have way too many guns” so I am probably more like the mountain men of krigers former life in that respect.
“Gun culture” is growing in the frum world. One of the popular gun ranges in Lakewood is now Jewish owned.
But I am not sure how to define “gun culture” partly bc I’m not sure why it makes people more nervous when someone has 10 guns as opposed to 1. I am no more likely to become violent Bc I have more than 1 gun. So the logic escapes me.

Ubiq
you will notice i stayed away from historical and theoretical arguments
But my statement is fact, each new supreme court ruling further entrenches it, whether or not you agree with the arguments or “reinterpretation” is irrelevant to the discussion
and abortion is at a disadvantage in that there is no amendment guaranteeing it
but none of this interests me
all that interests me is how the govt can possibly go about removing guns without creating a massive violation of the civil rights of gun owners (and without causing a civil war)

and as i already said, i would not support jail for abortion
as for passing the legislation that created the illegality in the first place (rolling back roe vs wade) I am of two minds. The religious answer is obvious (and not at all comparable to guns, bc gun ownership is not immoral). As for my practical answer i would have left it on the books. Partly bc of the noted problem of people ignoring it and partly bc of other reasons.

and mods
how come i am labeled as participant?! you would think after 12+ years we would be on a first name basis