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” If you feel your child needs supervision, don’t send it to a camp away from you.”
when you think of your kids as “its” i think the parent needs supervision as well
Amen Rosh Chabura. I wouldn’t be surprised if you really were a rosh chabura. Thank you for bringing up this issue. something has to be done for the sake of our young Yiddeshe kinder! i think the bouncer idea is a good one. i would volunteer for the job. also we should try to get rid of this candy machine in the lobby that rents videos. bed rocks i think its called. we must call an askan meeting immediately because the summer is almost upon us.
bp totty. evey hotel ive stayed in has two beds.
and by the way rabbi boruch levines music is jewish not like these other singers (some of whom are advertising on YWN right now)
i have to agree with Rosh Chabura!!! I used to be R”L irreligious and one day i happened to walk in to eichlers on coney and they were playing rabbi boruch levines one of many beautiful songs entitled vizakeini. i was poshut inpired on the spot even though at the time i didnt know what the words meant. from that day on i started to wear a yarmalka and i slowly became more and more religious. i now live in the beautiful waterbury community which is so loving and warm with the help of Rabbi Boruch Levines presence here.
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u could go sunday i guess but sun night is yom tov
thank u oomis for accepting my apology. it may take alot to apologize but i think it takes more to truly accept anothers apology and for that i am grateful to oomis for accepting mine
jphone. in the case of yfr i know what went on firsthand and your story is not comparable at all. yfr’s mesiba was in the yeshivas dining room and yes people hung out outside but nobody was blaring music or any of the sort. the only people that may have been disturbed by the kids hanging outside were the houses mamash next to or across yeshiva. nobody down the block could have been dsturbed
aries: “WE know that you THINK you know everything. WE know that you THINK you know more than we do. “
i have never claimed such a thing and i obviously agree that you as an older person know more than me but in this instance i was at the parties and know firsthand what went on and although you may know more than me i am entitled to my opinion and do not and will not be spoonfed and believe everything older people say.
“One more thing. When my son was in YFR, it was my daughter who drove his friends home after the mesibah at 2:00 AM. Their own families were not willing to wait up for them, nor did they arrange a designated driver. Was this because their own fathers were drunk as well? f Was it because they told their kids not to drink? Was it because they told their parents they wouldn’t drink?? These were YFR Beis Medrash boys who were smashed and believe me it was an ugly sight”
i dont see a problem in getting a ride from your daughter. obviously if your daughter hadnt given them a ride they would have called their parents for a ride but why would they call for a ride if they got one. we all did that. i would tell my parents that hopefully il get a ride but if i dont il call for a ride or il just sleep by a friends house who lived close by. it is very chutzpadik of you to ask if their fathers were drunk as well. this is completely baseless and if the kids would not have gotten a ride with your daughter as i said befor tney would have called their parents. and it was not bec they were not allowed to drink. we were all allowed to drink. it was purim. the one time our parents let us drink was purim.
“Maybe if the bochurim had kept their parties INDOORS where it was supposed to be, instead of running through the streets like behaimas or disturbing the peace int he middle of the night”
ninety five percent of the people at the party were inside, maybe 20 or 30 guys were outside and yes were making noise but a point that you have not addressed is one that this is one night a year. 365 days in a year and for one night there was a party where guys made noise. you are simply overrating it. i mean the people who live near wedding halls in brooklyn have a right to complain about the noise because it goes on probably a few times a week but for you and your neighbors to complain incessantly to the point where the yeshiva had to stop making a mesiba is ridiculous. another point i have is out of the maybe thirty guys hanging outside making noise 99 percent of them were on the hicksville side because that is where the entrance is to the basement where the party was held. out of 4 parties that i have been too in the yeshiva i have hung outside a little bit and it was always on hicksville. nobody went to frisco. and no one ran through the street like behaimas. you are seriously exaggerating what took place and overrating it and i feel like as an eyewitness for years at these parties i must refute the ridiculous claims u make.
man up? i am saying these things here cause this is a forum about drinking on purim and you were the one who first brought up the yeshiva that makes a ton of noise and i felt i had to point out that what you were saying is completely false because there wasnt a party in 3 years and if i should say my comments to your face then why do you say later the comments are not shayich to you? you are contradicting yourself
you have no makom telling me to grow up. i am very mature and your complaints are more immature than anything ive said so far.
i have never attempted to identify you. im not sure where you conjure these prepostorous things.
i apologize for any personal attacks i have written.
Were he actually present there for the duration of the entire mesiba, he would surely have recognized if strangers were invading his school and acting out. It should not take repeated complaints for several years to get the problem rectified, there or any other place.
the mashgiach was there for the entire party and would throw anyone out if they werent in yeshiva. i said that already. this party hasnt been going on for three years and you still complain about it?! mindboggling!! if there are kids who still make noise near yeshiva its probably not yfr kids anyways and the yeshiva has no achrayus for neighborhood kids making noise in front of your house
oomis, i went to that yeshiva for high school. let me give you some cold hard facts about it. i graduated almost 4 years ago. my twelfth grade year was the last time they made a purim mesiba in yeshiva because yes people threw up outside and they could not control it. but it is not as bad as you describe it. another thing you dont realize is they used to have the best purim mesiba in far rockaway and about fifty or sixty teens from the neighborhood but NOT from the yeshiva would come and it was mostly them throwing up outside. these teens were not from good yeshivas if in yeshiva at all. now as i said before my twelfth grade year was the last time they made the mesiba purim night. now they make it a night during the week before Purim and they do seperate ones for the high school and beis medrash and trust me both parties are very lame and maybe one or two guys drink. by the way when the mesiba was purim night which as i mentioned it hasnt been for 3 years, the rosh yeshiva was always there, the mashgiach was always there and outside kicking guys out if they were throwing up or if they werent in yeshiva. also they had one of the darchei security guys as a ‘bouncer’. this guy was massive and he made sure no alcohol was drunk on yeshivas property or allowed into the property. i saw him break guys bottles of alcohol. this doesnt mean we ddnt drink. we just drank beforehand away from the yeshiva last year me and some friends had a little party at a friends house who lives on your block and it was very menschlach. my friends mother was home (his father was niftar several yra ago) and trust me his mother is one you dont want to mess with and nothing bad went on there or in front of the house
“And a drunken bum IS a disgrace to Torah, there is no heter whatsoever anywhere for any jewish child to ever cause a chillul Hashem by drunken, obnoxious behavior. The fact that “modern” orthodox kids on Central Avenue may act wild and cause a ruckus on Friday afternoon, in no way excuses the awful, rowdy behavior of kids who ought to know better (by that faulty logic), because they come from more yeshivish backgrounds. If anything, they are worse, because they purport to be b’nei Torah, so their behavior is under even greater scrutiny by Jew and non-Jew alike”
the kids are not bums. they may be drunk but their not bums. they may be causing a chillul Hashem but they are so much better than those haft kids. If I had a teenage son and had a choice between if hed be drunk and making noise in the streets on Purim or whether hed be on central wearing low slung jeans, a tee shirt, no tziztis, no yarlmaka, holding hands with his girlfriend, singing some goyish rap song, who most likely doesnt keep shabbos and is most likely not shomer id pick drunk on purim. and these kids from yeshivish homes who u claim to purport to be bnei tora? trust me oomis, they know their not bnei torah and no one else does except u and your modern friend because u think everyone who is not modern and not in south shore, halb or haftr is automaticaly yeshivish and bnei torah.
i dont think most people call there rav for every minor issue that comes up in life. yes people do but most of us dont have our rav on speed dial. once in a while maybe we mix up a fleishig knife with a milchigs one and we dont know what to do so we call our rav but to call about our wives and daughters dressing up on purim outside the house we dont call, we as the man of the household make the decision ourself without our mommy holding our hands or our rav whispering in our ear. maybe im just talking for myself
this argument is becoming pretty heated. oomis simply cant handle her liquor or her husband cant and maybe they had a bad experience with it so she takes it out on the rest of us normal people who ….gasp…drink on purim! or shes just sick and tired of all those “bums” who come from yeshivish homes in her neighborhood who walk around the street making a ruckus and chillel Hashem because kids from modern orthodox homes dont behave like that! i mean look at them behaving beautifully friday afternoon on central ave!
im staying home!
ben levi: Amen brother! beautifuly said!
aries: u choose what you choose to see. you see the glass half empty. you see ten guys outside the yeshiva or in the side rooms fighting and throwing up, but me and ben levi see the 100 people in the yeshiva experiencing true Purim Sameach. The amount of people who act in a leibidig kosher Purim spirit way far outnumber the idiots who act r”l like goyim. the problem is these idots are usually outside for the rabim to see which gives the majority a bad name. when you see the whole picture youl come to realize ben levi is right and you are misinformed to say the least
good point mod. i think whats behind your words is lishma or shelo lishma, but it says shelo lishma leads into lishma so maybe if lets say my intentions in the begining are not lishma hopefully at somepoint it will be lishma.
ok your right. sorry oomis for saying your unhealthily overprotective. i dont know u from a hole in the wall and i was wrong but i do believe if someone doesnt allow their teen to drink on purim even a little when supervised then i think thats too overprotective
aries: “ad lo yada”.
yank. no one said there was and its not an aveira. but there is a mitzva to get drunk by the seuda. there is no mitzva to play basketball or bake cookies either. plenty of things we do arent mitzvas but arent aveiras. this is a digression of the topic at hand though. discussing drinking too much should be done on the drinking threads. this thread is here to help the people who do get hangovers from drinking too much on purim whether u agree with it or not
ok. this works. thanks. whats everyone dressing up as this year?
hangovers come with the territory of getting drunk. i dont need a video. ive experienced them before and their terrible and i tell myself i wont drink again but purim is purim and theres no way im not drinkin purim
cherrybim they need incentives cause thats our generation today. its not eastern europe 150 years ago.
i heard pickle juice works. has anyone ever tried this? it if it works i might try it but im not experimenting
drinking is a mitzva on purim by the seuda! cant wait!
just going through all the purim threads and i disagree with flatbush27. bochurim should use limos. kids need incentives these days and if this gets them to collect then thats what we have to do. ah u could say alot of money is going to the limo and not the tzedaka but these kids would not have collected any tzedaka money if not 4 the limo
how about the yeshiva they attend?
dont feel like reading through the whole thread but my teenage daughter wants to know if she could dress up this purim. initially i said no because i felt it would not be tznius but what do people here think? should i just change my mind say yes?