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Well, I’d say it could be true because the name yankelehcohen with the Sephardi sounding title with the word “tniut” didn’t make sense. As far as I know “yankele” or “yanky” is only used by Ashkenazim.
Also “yankelecohen” never chimed in after his first post, unless I missed a comment of his..ammeleh, is the song a joke perhaps? Some issues that people think kids have are non-issues, today everything is exaggerated. But real issues become bigger after marriage. Marriage is not a fix for those who have major issues.
Joseph, that is not accurate. Most Chasidim do not go out at 17 years of age ( actually most Chassidim do not go out at all- we have beshows). We started listening to shidduchim for my son when he was 19 and he got married by 20. My 19 year old daughter just started shidduchim, most of the boy’s that are read are alproximately 20 years of age. We are a regular Chassidishe family listening to regular Chassidishe boys. My daughter has only 4 engaged girls out of her class of 30. She attended a very Chassidishe school.
Even Satmer boys who get engaged young are generally at least 18 years of age while there could be kallahs 17 years of age but they wait until they are 18 to get married and they are a minority. Most boys and girls in the very frum Chassidishe crowd are at least 18 when they start listening. I do know of a Rebbishe girl who got engaged at 16 and married at 17. But even for Rebbishe, it is very young. My friend has an 18 year old son in Satmer yeshiva and none of his classmates are engaged yet.
The trend is certainly not 17 years of age. In Israel 17 years of age is also not the norm. Maybe by the Meah Shaerim Chassidishe like Reb Aharon’s Chassidim, maybe they go at that age. I’m not familiar with that shidduchim scene.
Neville your response would have been the right one. Ben is very good with debating but he’s human too and he made a mistake this time falling into the trap.
Well, how would Been Shapiro know that baby Adolf y”s would be a killer?
If Ben Shapiro thinks German-Austrian volk were Amelek should he have killed them all? As crazy as Adolf was, he could only thrive and carry out his deeds because the Germans and all of the Europeans who helped him, enabled him to so. So why is the question only regarding Hitler y”s? In any case, the Amaleik question was not what the media had an in mind.
The question is not relevant. We don’t know how anyone will turn out to be. If we would know he would be a killer we would also know those who actually did the killing and those who put him in power and enable him to carry out his gruesome deeds. That would mean hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of abortions. Which I can tell you all of a sudden these abortion butchers would not want to carry out, only those whom the mother deems unworthy of living because she has no PATIENCE to take care of the baby or because the baby is disabled. But if the baby would grow up killer of Jews, then we can’t kill these innocent babies, can we?
Anyway, again it’s irrelevant because we have no clue what kind of person a baby will be when they grow up.
Coffee addict, I was just exaggerating a bit but still not everyone, even upstate New Yorkers, know where the 5 Towns is. But thanks for educating me on the general area of 5 Towns 馃檪
JustaJew39, we don’t hate each other at all! Kol Yisroel areivim zeh lzeh. Still this is an important topic. Women who are not b’tznius are nichshal others and there’s nothing wrong with discussing this vital topic.
Yisro, I’m not violating halacha by saying more money and kochos should be put into making sure frum people know and keep basic halacha than all money and effort going into trying to make baalie teshuvas. This is my opinion. I couldn’t care less if you think I’m out of my mind and I won’t change my mind just because you say so. I’m not saying a Baal Teshuva cannot be on a higher spiritual level than a FFB, or more chushav in Hashem’s eyes. Don’t fardrey what I’m saying. What I do see is a constant lowering of standards in music, dress, action to gefel and look cool and normal to those people many are trying to attract to Yiddishkeit whether they are not frum Jews or OTDs. And I firmly believe that before people start trying to make Baal teshuvas they need to keep basic halachas. Besides the secular world, especially in the US, is getting more and more dangerous. Soon you will not know if you are dealing with a man or woman. I think people like you are very naive. First a Jewish home has to be kodosh. That is the number one priority.
Modesty, the reason that dressing modest is so hard for some women is because this yetzer hora has grown out of control in some women. Tznius becomes second nature after a bit of taiming the yetzer hora.
If a Jew has been eating treif it’s much harder for them to stop eating it than someone who has never eaten trief. But after a while of not eating trief one doesn’t have to keep themselves back from eating treif- it becomes second nature.
It’s a real shame that in some frum communities the basic mitzva of tznius has become such a big effort to keep because they have become lax in them. I think that the trying to make baalie teshuvas out of non-frum Yidden should take backstage to making sure we frum Yidden are strong in keeping basic halacha.
Mod-29 I’m glad to have made your day 馃檪
It’s not a problem because apparently only Jews living in the 5 Towns know where the 5 Towns is. Everyone else thinks it’s in Brooklyn.
馃ぃ馃槀 Thank you for this post, made my day -29
LLW, you mean we should just be good Jews at heart and dress however we want? We just need to act nice to goyim and all is right ? Absolutely not. That is not what Yiddishkeit is all about. That is why women dress so pritzusdig these days because they are given the green light to do so.
We are supposed to dress and act b’tznius because this is what Hashem asks of us, not according to how goyim percieve us. Btw, dressing goyish and pritzusdig causes Hashem’s anger and He withholds his protection from goyim’s hatred. I see a correlation between the recent upscale in anti-Semitic incidents in the US and the way frum women AND men dress, trying to blend in with the goyim by hiding their Jewishness. If we don’t shape up it will spin out of control. The Holocaust started in Germany because so many sought to “show the goyim” that they are proper German citizens and it blew up in their faces. We don’t have to “show” anyone anything. We need to live as Jews and be tzniusdig with our dress and actions.
Modesty, why is it so difficult to dress tzniusdig? A woman can be well dressed and a tznia at the same time.
Syag Lchochma, please explain why it’s a dumb post to judge women who don’t dress b’tznius in public and negatively effect others. This is not only between Hashem and an individual, this effects men in general, besides that it also effects these women’s children in a negative way. It also effects women who think it’s ok to dress this way with the mentality of “if she dresses this way, then ok for me too” …
Judaism places a big emphasis on tznius because this is a yesod of Yiddishkeit!
WinniethePooh, thanks. I am constantly striving to become better in Loshen HaKodesh and try to use the words in the correct terms ..I didnt have the privilege of learning Loshen HaKodesh well because the school I attended has a shittah according to their Rebbe that girls should be good wives and mothers and not learn as much as the men…I understand their shittah but I don’t agree entirely. I taught/ am teaching myself with Artscroll sedarim and sefarim and my girls’ notes from the school they attend ( b”H they are learning Loshen HaKodesh on an advanced level)… I’d love to be able to speak and write fluently in Loshen HaKodesh like I do in Yiddish and English but I can’t see that happening since I’m not speaking the language, only davening and reading it…maybe if I would attend yeshiva I would be able to speak the language fluently…but I don’t think they’d let me study there 馃槈
LLW, so why is it ok for you to judge when people don’t act b’tznius? Dressing like a ptitza is ok but acting loud and coarse can be judged? We can discuss both. Yidden should act and dress b’tznius.
However, I will say that sometimes women don’t realize that they talk too loud. They can be made aware. However it’s very obvious to everyone including the women who wear it, that the short skirts that they are wearing is not covering their knees, which is totally against halacha.
Syag Lchochma, you are ok with you talking against those who dress pritzusdig but bashing others who are talking against immodestly dressed wome. Now I have no idea what you are talking about regarding judging these women. No one is judging immodest womens’ characters, nor judging any of their actions outside of the way they dress, no one is judging them in any way other than the way how they appear in the streets.
Funny, I thought the 5 Towns was in Brooklyn.
zahavasdad, I’m sure there are women who dress tzniusdig in the 5 Towns but when you walk down the streets they are full of pritzusdige looking frum women with very long wigs, tight clothing and short skirts. I’m from upstate, but sometimes I find myself in the city in certain frum areas in Brooklyn and the way frum women dress I find is repulsive and irresponsible, and brazenly and publicly trampling on halacha. We have it to a lesser extent where I live, it’s not so bad as certain frum communities in the city. The first time I saw a frum man with a kapl and beard and his wife walking next to him wore a mini skirt I was shocked. This is insanity.
Not dressing b’tznius is not only between a woman and Hashem, it negatively effects others as well.
Torah613ami, I’m sorry but your first comment was not so clear, it seems I misunderstood what you were trying to say. And neither am I sure I understand your second comment regarding kisui rosh. I assume you are asking whether the women in our family wear wigs. Yes we do. That is a separate issue from tznius issues. There are differences in opinions regarding peah nochri but I’m not sure why you think it is rellevent to this thread. We are discussing issues of tznius here, not whether wearing wigs are kosher or not.
torah613ami, I quit posting in the CR awhile ago because my comments to a anti-Semite who kept on sticking up for Fakestinians and bashing Jewish self-defense measures, who was likely Jewish himself, were censored. But now seeing people like you claiming to know halacha when you really don’t want to know basic halachas and you are misleading people, I will comment on that. According to numerous poskim showing the shape of a woman’s figure and showing skin that is ervah is absolutely against halacha.
Just by quoting two sources does not mean that you can ignore the rest of the halachas.
In any case, most of the women who wear tight clothing also wear clothing skirts that do not cover the knee, many wear mini skirts and more and more elbows are being exposed. And tight skirts, even when they cover the knee while standing, will expose the knee when sitting.
And then not everything needs to have a source. Where’s the common sense in people? Things like very long wigs or very long loose hair is pritzus. I’m not sure if there’s a source for that but women need to be b’tnius according to the Torah and need to act and dress accordingly. Does it say in the Torah that you have to brush your teeth every day and drive carefully? It’s common sense! It’s also common sense that if the Torah places such emphasis on tnius it means that even though modern, long wigs are a recent development and not written about in the Torah or other sources, a woman needs to use their head and not wear long wigs because we all know, and you’d be fooling yourself if you deny it, long wigs are not tzniusdig, period.
This horrible situation of frum women looking like prutzos came about precisely because of people like you quoting one or two sources as “proof” that those are the halachas of tznius that we have to be concerned about.
It’s a shanda how many frum women dress. It’s a churban.
And for those who claim it’s loshe hora – it’s not. Those who sin are public are allowed to be spoken about and to be mechazek ourselves and to clarify, these issues must be spoken about. A women who dresses like a frum prutzah is still dressing like a prutzah and causing others to sin.
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Modesty, it is not confusing at all. It is against halacha to expose skin that should be covered and to wear tight clothing. There are numerous sources of halachas on tznius and simply quoting 2 sources means nothing except deliberately choosing halachas that one wants to choose
Well, I have nothing to say anymore if YWN moderators edits my posts personally bashing, yes personally bashing, a terrorist supporter. 000646 lies continuously and is sticking up for a people in comment after comment who want to annihilate us. If I can’t say it as is, I will thank you for the platform you gave me till now and bid you goodbye.
Winnie the Pooh, I did correct my mistake regarding Dovid Hamelech. I usually write my posts in between work when I take a few seconds break and there are instances which I makes with spelling and fatcs which I correct later.
It is true that Am Yisroel started at Har Sinia, however Avraham Avinu was considered the first ger as he practiced the Torah.
I meant to write that Dovid Hamelech was a descendent of a geyoress
. 0002646 says Gaza is only surrounded by Israel and the sea, which is totally untrue. Gaza shares a border with Egypt too and it’s just as closed as Israel’s is. Egypt does not want Fakestinian terrorists and Muslim Brotherhood supporters, which a large percentage of Fakestinians are. But nobody is saying a word against Egypt, only against, drumroll please, Israel! And Israel does open the border (checking everyone going through of course) when the security situation “lightens”.
The Fakestinians make their evil intentions known on social media sites, through their media networks, and through the Hamas charter. That is the reason for the blockade, to prevent them importing arms for use in their “struggle”.
Everyone knows their true intentions
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000646, Gaza is sealed at the ISREALI BORDER as EVERY country seals their borders to the best of their abilities. Or do you have a double standard for Israel that they can’t seal their border? Maybe Egypt should open their border with Gaza?! Why do you think Israel should open their border and let hordes of terrorists cross over into Israel?!
And I couldn’t give a hoot and I never concerned myself whether the Fakestinians had or didn’t have citizenship because I totally understand the fact they didn’t did not have citizenship. The Fakestinians wouldn’t appreciate citizenship and it it would be a big problem like the Muslim Arabs in East Jerusalem, only a bigger security issue because more terrorists would be involved. So I certainly don’t shed any tears over the fact that they had no citizenship.
In any case, stop harping on what was, now they have their own government, including in the West Bank where Israel CANNOT do what they want, except in your mind.
000646, didn’t you see the bright red exit signs? You are repeating the same stupidity over and over again. The Fakestinians have their own governments that THEY ELECTED. Stop blaming Jews for the Fakestinian troubles.
5ish, yes, it’s a good idea to open a thread discussing if women can walk in the street. Especially if they may 砖驻讗讟爪讬专 in the street.
And we should also discuss the issue of men leaving their houses because it’s impossible for men in chutz l’areretz not to see something Chazal asured…so maybe we should have a thread about that. Maybe we should discuss if they really have a need to go out, they should they wear blinders or perhaps carry a stick…we need to discuss these vital issues.
Bashalmuder, I’ve met many light-colored Sephardim in my life. I once went to a genuine Sephardishe shul in London and I was surprised that many people there were blond. From features you cannot see know whether one is Ashkenazi or Sephardi. Generally though, Middle Eastern people are darker. Even Ashkenazim living in Israel, living on kibbutzim and serving in the army, i.e. being out in the sun a lot, can make light people, and their descendents, darker.
You make it sound as if geirim are something bad. Avraham Avinu was a geir, The imuos were geirim, Dovid Hamelech was a geir, etc. So all of klal Yisroel are descendents of geirim.
These type of DNA tests, where one tests their ancestry, is totally inconclusive. Unlike testing against the blood of one’s close relative to see if they are related, ancestry testing is testing against whom? You obviously can’t compare your DNA with your ancestor’s DNA, so who are the markers that decide which group has which DNA? Immigrants, that’s who! If you study history you see that the world’s population has always migrated and mixed. DNA tests cannot prove one’s ancestry as a conclusive fact.
5ish, it doesn’t. And that’s my point. Many posts become derailed to the topic of women can’t do this and women can’t do that and women are subersvient to their husbands, etc. It is very annoying, not to mention hypocritical. And I can’t take hypocrasy and the need to be farfrum on yenems cheshbon.
Neville ChaimBerlin, +1
NevilleChaim, I honestly think judges should and COULD set bail accrording to a defendant’s records, not the news.
AviK, so what if prosecutors ask for more bail and defense attorneys for less? How does that make Friere’s decision ok? She should have set higher bail, he was a potential murderer and regardless if the charges bought forth didn’t say he was racist, the facts prove otherwise.
And as I said before, bail is set at according to judge’s whims and she should have a little decency to set bail higher for attempted murder than a mere $15,000. It shows a remarkable DISREGARD for the lives of Jews
Well, as we have seen “Joseph”, the greatest posek ever, whiling away his time in the Coffeeroom, while all Rishonim and Achronim whom he quotes constantly would asser his bitul Torah. ( He somehow doesn’t accept poskim of our time, he only accepts “sources” till the Shilchun Arach, every gadol after that is not relevant.) But he’s frum on womens’ cheshbon… Women can’t go on a 砖驻讗讟爪讬专 …
Even I, the defender against calling him a troll, have to admit he’s a troll because I don’t believe he really holds of his far-out opinions, he just likes riling people up.
CTLawyer, what part of the fact that she asked for less than the recommended bail is not understood? And I’m not familiar with the law but I’ve heard of judges setting outrageous bail amounts for lesser offenses and for not particularly well off individuals. That would indicate to me that bail is set according the the judge’s discretion.
000646, that exactly what a lot of Jew haters say. I don’t hate Jews, I don’t condone terror, etc. It’s all a bunch of baloney when you support people who commit terror and are committed to engaging in terror. You are a Jew hater and terrorist supporter.
I mean a Chareidi murderer is troubling, not the headline.
00646, really now, it was the Arabs right to refuse the Partition Plan… because they were mostly immigrants and children of immigrants? Just exactly who decided they didn’t have to accept it? Are you also going to condone their starting a war against Jews?
Both are troubling but Mizrachi and secular spiritual decline is definitely worse, like a spreading cancer.
The fact that she changed the $30,000 recommended bail to $15,000 sends a terrible message to the terrorist and the world at large that we don’t care so much about our own brothers and sisters.
Loshenhora, don’t equate Jews fighting for survival to Muslims shedding of innocent blood.
Joseph, according to all shittas you are wasting your time in the CR instead of learning Torah every moment in your life.
You did mention that Sara Imeini stayed home all day and because of yeridas hadoros we women don’t stay home all day…
Now, since you are a big posek on women’s issues, while disregarding your obligations, according to all shittas, let’s hear how many times per month according to you the Rambam meant women can out.
000646, you are missing the fact that the Arabs attacked Jews and Jews won the war. You are missing the fact that Jews had to control the area because they needed to prevent it becoming bases for terrorists which is exactly what happened after Israel gave over control to the Arabs. Now there are constant fights on the border with these wild animals trying to come into Israel and ATTACK Jews. Now we have rockets coming in from Gaza and helium balloons which has destroyed half of Israel’s nature reserves and personal property of innocent people.
Joseph, Israel should annex Judea, Samaria, and Gaza and if the Arab Muslims accept Israel and live peacefully as other Arab minorities do, (which won’t happen in any case…) then I would grant them citizenship.
I would also initiate a program that would encourage Arab Muslims to emigrate to other Arab countries and encourage Jews to move to Judea, Samaria and Gaza to balance the Jewish and Muslim populations.
000646, lies again. The Fakestinians had a problem before Jews took control of the land. The Fakestinians had a problem when Jews started coming in large numbers, before and after WW2, during the times of the Ottoman and British rule.
And Jews did take take control of the land the Fakestinians LIVED ON, NOT GOVERNED, because they had no goverment at all untill the land was devided between Jews and Fakestinians so Jews did not control the Fakestinians at the time the Fakestinians attacked the Jews in an all-out war.
Joseph, you said women should stay home like Sarah Imeini. You didn’t say women should not go out much.
The fact is, today the most frum women, including Rebbetzins of big gedolim, go out shopping, to simchos, work, etc. “Much” is a relative term.
Every frum women should go out when she needs to go out, regardless if the greatest posek ever “Joseph in the YWN Coffeeroom” approves of her going out or not.
000646, of course, you conviently neglected to mention that Gaza, the terrorist entity that the Fakestinians set up, because I assume you won’t go that far with your lies, and you know good and well that Israel has no control in Gaza. So why are you blaming Israel now that the Fakestinians have a government? And in the West Bank, the Israelis go in and out of Fakestinian controlled areas only with the coordination of the PLO.
Of course the Fakestinians weren’t given an option of citizenship, since they they rejected Israel, why would they be given an option?!
And you neglect to respond to the fact that when Palestine was devided between Jews and Arabs, it was the Arabs who attacked Jews. It really seems like you’d love that to happen again. You care so much about the Fakestinians, you want them to have a state so they can do what they say they want to do, attack Jews and get them out of the entire Palestine.
You ignore the FACT that the majority of Fakestinians have not lived in Palestine for hundreds of years, most of them emigrated in the latecan20th and early 21 St centuries.
Anyways, my point that you are continously ignoring is how can a Jew support a people that overwhelmingly say they want to kill Jews?! How can a Jew support a people engaged in constant violence angainst other Jews? There’s no excuse ever for this violence,but particularly now that they have their own government and army, so how can a Jew side with such a people? Shame on you, traitor to your people.
000646, it is completely false that the Fakestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are under Israeli control. That is a lie. The Fakestinians are prohibited from entering Israel without permits, they are prohibited from tunneling and trying to force their way over the border like they are doing now, but they are absolutely not under direct Israeli control. The Israelis TRY to control Hamas from getting weapons ( it is helping only to a certain extent) and control what goes in and out of Israel. They cannot control what happens in Gaza or the West Bank. It is Hamas and the PLO who control Gaza and the West Bank.
Your concern over the plight of the plight of the “poor Fakestinians” make you lack reading comprehension. I wrote that if the they would be a peaceful people they would be given Israeli citizenship. It is the Fakestinians who rejected Israeli governship and therefore they did not get citizenship.
It is mind boggling that you over and over again repeat the same arguments in support of a people who continue to express their wish to kill Jews.
000646, you don’t even sound like someone with an anti-Zionist shittah. Anti-Zionists are focused on why Jews can’t have their own government and they unrealistically pedal the plan of goyim being the government of Palestine. As if Jews didn’t suffer enough from the Europeans and Muslims, they should now govern Israel. But that is basically what anti-Zonists are busy with.
But you are busy caring for the “plight” of the Fakestinians. You care about these “poor people” and you don’t give a damn hoot about the terror they are committing and the fact that they say outright that they want to kill Jews .
000646, you think Jews can’t be Jew haters? There were enough Jew haters , meshumadim who caused many tzuras for our people, and kapos and leftist liberals who always stuck up for our enemies. Even those in full Chassidish levush, the NK’s are Jew haters. If you care about those who want to destroy us and you don’t care about the the lives and safety of Jews then you are Jew hater, period.
Yes you DID say that they don’t have their own military. So they have a semi-military with their weapons aimed at Israel. They have their own governments, Hamas and PLO, they are not under Israeli control so what exactly do you want now?!
What exactly are you blaming Israel for now?If you are talking about Israeli Arabs, then learn some history and you will see many, many regions all over the world, don’t have the same government today as they had in the previous century. That doesn’t mean citizens can be terrorists and kill others because they want a government from the previous century . And btw, in the case of the Fakestinians, was the Ottomans or the British, they NEVER had their own government so they can’t even demand to get their “independence” back.
Now, just cause you are a Jew does not mean you are not a traitor to our people and that you are not a Jew hater. You want our enemies to have a military, which YOU DID write that earlier. Don’t you care that these are the people that continously say they want to wipe out the Jews? If you were not a Jew hater you wouldn’t be busy writing so many posts in favor of the “poor, opressed Fakestinians” who the majority of them are animals on two feet, full of violence and hate against Jews.