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DY: I was not calling anyone dishonest. I was saying that they were utilizing a Halachic tool that the Chassam Sofer endorsed while fighting reform. Namely, that one can make a Mitzvah/Issur under attack seem stronger than it really is. If people are trying to undo a D’rabannan but wouldn’t dare touch a D’Oraisa, tell them it’s D’Oraisa. So when MBP came under attack from reform (for no reason), suddenly opinions popped up that it’s an Ikkar part of the Milah or that it’s a Halachah L’Moshe MiSinai, etc. I would agree with strongly fighting the government anti-MBP movement. That is similar to what reform did because it lacks a proper understanding of Milah before attacking to it. But I do feel that using these sources to defend from Frum people who want to replace MBP with a tube or such lacks an actual understanding of the sources themselves. I would contend that the Maharam Shick never intended for Talmidei Chachamim to ever actually think that MBP was a HLM.
DY: The issue is the context in which many of the viciously pro-MBP Psakim were written, a context which doesn’t apply in the Frum community today.
DY: The “Lurian” method means the Derech of the Maharshal, which is that a Chacham should Pasken by whichever Rishon/Rishonim fit the Sugya best, rather than the Derech of the Beis Yosef which was to Pasken like the (more or less) majority.
Yikesau’s “Mishnah B’rurah” is the Rama I cited earlier.
TLIK: The Rambam learned his science by studying science, not Torah. He quotes Aristotle, Plato, Galen, and others. In fact, he says that it medicinal matters we hold like the scientists over Chazal. Your statement was quite far off.
There either is or isn’t. Reality never provides a Hashkafic problem with Judaism. If there are, it’s not a problem. If there aren’t, it’s not a problem.
And now we have peacefull inventing a… I don’t even know what, a “Halachic category” in order to say… something not quite definitive.
Peacefull, please elaborate on your post.
“We don’t simply follow m’ikur hadin when poskim bring other considerations to be stringent.”
I don’t know what this line means.
Anyway, the large majority of Achronim strongly disagree with the Rama. I don’t usually attempt to Pasken where there is no clear consensus, but I would feel perfectly comfortable saying the Achronim have a clear consensus on this, even against the Rama.
DY: Disagree. Why should they lose out on something important and meaningful to them because others will abuse that?
It feels weird to me and this is probably a case where the intentions actually matter, but M’ikar HaDin there is no real reason to forbid women from dancing with the Torah. (Yes, I know the Rama; it has already been attacked by many Achronim and I said Ikar HaDin.)
Lior: You can yell all you want but you’re not responding to the point. Sure, a no-cause divorce is awful. But once the woman’s mind is made up that the marriage is over, it is nothing short of pure evil to force her to remain in it. That’s the point you consistently ignore.
And you can call it “love”, but abuse by love is still abuse. You are advocating that torture is okay because “love” is behind it. Jeffrey Daumer killed and ate people because he “loved” them so much that he could never stand to be away from them, so his only choice was to keep them with him forever. That’s not love, no matter what he thought it was.
Does no one else find it terrifying that Lior is saying that if someone’s wife wants a divorce (due to general unhappiness) that he honestly thinks the right thing to do is to never give her a Get because he is offering her the chance to come back forever?
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PBA: I thought they say it’s Yeihareg V’al Ya’avor because it’s Mib’chinas army service and army service is Arayos Mamash. (This was not facetious.)
Burping does not make more space for food.
Ben Levi: Simple question, yes or no: Is it cruel to prevent someone from ever remarrying when they are clearly unhappy in their current marriage?
DY: I don’t think the Pratim of the city matter so much without firsthand documentation that those were the cities mentioned.
Still, my Hesber of those cities is probably right anyway.
So, just to be clear, we are over-Darshening inferences from an unsubstantiated statement possibly made by one great person or another to find the proper nuances in it?
Just so I understand this endeavor.
Leyzer: Or maybe it’s because Vilna was a center of Frumkeit and Paris a center of the Haskalah.
Randomex: He supposedly fell out a window. The Chassidim say it was fighting Shaeidim. The Misnagdim/Maskilim said it was because he was depressed. Either way, though, it’s a good parallel to the post.
We Pasken they’re not Jewish because otherwise a Jewish girl that receives Kiddushin from a Goy would need a Get MiSafek.
Randomex: I didn’t know that was a reference to the movie. I actually thought it was a reference to the Chozeh MiLublin’s death.
Are lost forever. It’s a Passuk. Ki Banum Zarum Yuladu.
HaLeiVi: I can’t answer that. The vast majority of the Achronim who ask the question on the Gemara about Bruriah do not give a similar answer to the Or HaChayim you mentioned. I would be willing to accept a S’vara similar to R’ Moshe’s on this (and that it increases the likelihood). I cannot accept that it is an absolute.
What do you mean by physical influence?
Randomex: Lichora the concept of Nekudas Habechirah is based on a Gemara in Kiddushin but a parallel Gemara in Moed Kattan seems to apply it in a way that does not quite fit with R’ Dessler.
Randomex: The film is quite famous, though I have never seen any of it. I don’t even know the plot, which is surprising. Supposedly it’s a classic and credited with creating the post-Hitchcock horror genre. However, the concept of exorcisms existed long before the movie.
2. I would guess there is no Makor in Chazal for this (aside from a bad interpretation of Aveirah Goreres Aveirah in Avos).
3. It’s a seemingly major violation in Bechira Chofshis.
What PBA said. If they have no Tzuras HaPas (hard to judge because there are many different opinions about what that means) and they are smaller than a K’zayis then they are for sure Mezonos if deep fried, even if they used to actually be bread.
oy: I have heard from R’ Schachter (though never found a Makor) that a Rav while answering a Shailah has a certain Siyata Dishmaya. R’ Schachter thinks that that’s P’shat in the Gemara’s Hilchasa Lim’shicha question. Your assumption that it comes from the asker’s Emunah makes no sense, though. Why should a Moreh Hora’ah be fated to give a wrong answer because of what the asker is thinking?
He uses a very academic (“Maskilish”) approach, which is the same reason why some avoid the Tiferes Yisrael, among others.
Also, he is willing to point out when typos in Rishonim or poor Girsaos in old Midrashei Chazal led to errors, which some people don’t like.
DY beat me to it, but PBA getting married is the biggest Mofes of all. Then again, I think I was M’sader the Kiddushin so does that make me a Ba’al Mofes?
DY: You missed my point. I do know. The point is that the concept underwent a tremendous change a few hundred years ago and that the way it is often said now seems to have no source.
chovim: Look at that Gemara again. It certainly doesn’t mean “LamedVavnik” the way it is used in common parlance (or even this thread).
I don’t know where the statement that LamedVavniks exist even comes from.
Lior: So, once again, your claim is that it is the right thing for a husband to do to never give a Get, even after decades, if she decides without proper reason that she’s miserable with him. He is offering her everything and she constantly refuses. It’s entirely her fault. You are saying that the right thing to do is for him to withhold the Get forever even if it’s clear she never wants back.
I will claim that the mods have a moral responsibility to show this thread to every girl you ever date.
Lior: Yes.
Randomex: 000646. He’s more or less respectful about it so they let him stay. I think. I’m not a mod.
Lior: I’m pretty sure it’s B’feirush in the Shulchan Aruch that it is. No?
Randomex: He is a self-admitted Apikores on here.
Lior: False. Learn your history. The boycott was in response to antisemitic German actions. And the rally in MSG was in 1937, long after the Germans had begun overtly discriminating against Jewish citizens.
Lior: Why do you assume the Mitzvah of Kibbud applies when they are trying to tell you what to do with your own life?
Lior: I don’t know. Presumably we will keep much of our technology, which will mean that everyone (more so women) will have much more time for learning Torah than they did in ancient times. I also don’t think we will revert to the ancient monetary systems. Some things will change societally and some will stay the same. And we will have a Beis Din to apply when the societal changes affect Dinim.
Lior: We have a Drashah (that utilizes a societal/sociological truth) that precludes women from being witnesses. No one today can change a Drashah. Maybe Bimos HaMashiach we will Darshan that Passuk differently or apply its sociological implications differently(or society will change back). I would expect that, when we once again have a Beis Din HaGadol, lots of things will respond to societal changes that have occured over the past 1500 years. But for now, an Ishah is Passul L’eidus.
But we don’t have any Halachic reasoning inherently precluding a woman from getting a Heter Hora’ah. That’s an important difference.
ca: They have a religious mandate to take over the world spiritually. They are choosing to interpret that via violent and brutal war. We had a direct command to destroy 7 nations.
Lior: Your argument doesn’t work because it could have been the exact same if written by an ISIS person.
Lior: Maybe because for thousands of years women never really had the time and opportunity to do such things and now they do? There are a lot more differences in the world between then and now than just feminism.
yerushalmi in exile: He planned on killing us all over a decade earlier. He published it. Why should a 2-day boycott (in response to the German one-day boycott of all Jewish goods) by a few hundred people have any effect whatsoever?
This is, frankly, a despicable lie whose sole purpose is to blame Jews with bad Hashkafos for 6 million murders. In an earlier thread I think I quite proved that the only source for this is a nut-job antisemitic professor who thinks Jews control all the armies, media, and money in the world. I don’t know why the moderators keep letting this antisemitic screed through. It’s nauseating.
Because we did it Al Pi a direct Tzava’ah from Hakadosh Baruch Hu. We would not do the same nowadays.
Yes.
PAA: It’s a Chassam Sofer. And he thinks the one thing that everyone, even a Tzaddik Gamur, is Over on is “Vihyisem N’kiyim”.
PAA: The vast majority of mainstream Frum Jews, even most Litvish Chareidim and some Chassidim, are okay with women learning on their own and even giving Hora’ah at times. Most are okay with Yoatzot and don’t protest it, even if they won’t go near them themselves. What people are against is an institutionalized “Smicha” that has its basis in women being “equal” to men. (I put the word equal in quotes because their definition of equal is not a real equality.)
This has Halachah L’maaseh Nafka Minos, V’hameivin Yavin.
Randomex: I have researched extensively (after someone here mentioned it) and the only real places I can find a connection between the American Zionist boycott and the Holocaust is in a few pieces by some of the most virulent of antisemitic academics.
Hitler advocated and planned annihilation of the Jews in Mein Kampf long before any boycott.