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Curiosity: Issur Chamur of lying? Look at the Rishonim around Kesuvos 17.
Sam2ParticipantItche: I dunno. I’ll try to contact this guy and ask him.
Curiosity: Only because cities would be built up in ancient times. That’s not Shayach in an uninhabited area.
Sam2ParticipantChoppy: There’s no reason for them to be wrong. This is a historic, not Halachic, matter. Besides, this guy is Frum.
Kozov: I haven’t seen it inside, no.
Sam2ParticipantOn the ball: I’m not disagreeing in this particular case, but I think MorahRach’s point was that even though there are clear bounds of Hetter and Issur and even though a person should always be M’chavein L’sheim Shamayim, there still is some leeway for personal preferences in Judaism for things that are Muttar but not Chiyuvim.
Sam2ParticipantPcoz: That’s not a religious phrase. “Thou shalt not” is a phrase that came into common usage because it was borrowed from the King James Bible. Therefore, using it for any purpose is an Issur D’Oraisa of Chukas Hagoyim. I don’t see why people are having such a problem with this, other than the fact that they never thought of that before. It’s fairly simple though.
Sam2ParticipantCuriosity: There is a Gemara that assumes she still exists.
Choppy: I was once told my a leading Jewish historian that contrary to popular belief, Josephus and Yosiphon are two different books.
Sam2ParticipantCuriosity: Salt pillars exist all over the world and last thousands of years. They basically fossilize so they harden and don’t wear down.
And good call by me on the Chizkuni being someone who would take the story not literally. Shlishi, maybe you should do some research before you (accidentally) accuse Rishonim of “fardreying” P’sukim again.
Sam2ParticipantToi: The Mechaber seems to say that you should be Machmir for Ohel as well. And I thought it’s a Machlokes Haposkim whether Meisei Akum are Tofes 4 Amos.
It’s irrelevant anyway. Even if it is her, it’s not M’tamei. There’s no corpse. There’s no Atzamos. There’s no Eiver Min Hameis. There’s no M’lo Tarvad Rekev. There’s nothing there that could be M’tamei a Kohen.
Sam2ParticipantYitay: And you like that Amud even more now that you’ve met me, don’t you? It might not be my favorite Daf, but that Ben Yehoyada is my favorite Mareh Makom.
Oh, and Apikorsus! (I know someone else whose favorite Amud is Niddah 30b but not for that part; for the famous Midrash. Unless that Midrash is on 31b…)
Sam2ParticipantCuriosity: You’re allowed to lie. I don’t think you have to.
Sam2ParticipantCsar: It was written for women from Gateshead. Which, in all honestly, is not so different than Yerushalmi society.
Sam2ParticipantItche: It’s 1, not 10. and it’s 3-5 in certain parts of the longer Masechtos. I meant 31, not 21, which puts me off by my usual 1. 🙂 And I didn’t say like clockwork, did I? Because it’s not quite always.
Sam2ParticipantFeif Un: Really? That’s nice compared to what a very Rosh Yeshivah I once asked about it said.
Sam2ParticipantYekke: Isn’t Birchas Chassanim 7a or 8a?
Sam4: Thanks for the right Daf. There is no 21 in Tamid, is there? I think my mind was thinking 31.
Sam2ParticipantThat’s what I thought. If it’s already there it’s okay.
By the way, the Minhag Ha’olam is clearly like that Aruch Hashulchan, though I still feel very uncomfortable about it. My Ra’aya (which I have been upset about for years) is that all of the printed Siddurim have the morning Leinings in the back. Lich’ora that’s a major problem unless we hold like this AR”H.
Sam2ParticipantShlishi: It doesn’t. It gives a description that would fit with that though. Look it up. I think I got the Daf right. I’m not off buy more than a few Blatt if I’m wrong.
Sam2ParticipantI think it’s Tamid 21. It’s the story with Alexander the Great that hints to the fact that the entrances to both Gan Eden and Gehinnom are in the jungles of the Congo.
Sam2ParticipantChacham: My Chumra cannot extend to my parents and sisters. Nice catch, by the way.
Sam2ParticipantI didn’t see this last year, but I always try not to sit on the toilet longer than necessary on Tishah B’av. Shein has a point. If you’re not actually using the toilet at the moment, then you’re sitting on a chair. (e.g. if someone is reading in the bathroom and wants to finish the article/chapter/whatever before he gets up, Lich’ora that’s a real problem).
Sam2ParticipantA Chumash has to go on top. Many Poskim hold that a Gemara has to go on top of Nach, but others disagree. All agree that a Nach with Meforshim goes on top of a Gemara because then it contains Torah Shebiksav as well.
Englishman: I don’t think it’s so true that you can’t use a lower Sefer as a prop. I believe R’ Matisyahu Salomon has a piece on this in his Matnas Chayim on Moadim, but I don’t remember his sources.
On the ball: I don’t think that’s a S’vara that the Poskim bring down.
Curiosity: That makes sense but I don’t recall seeing any Poskim say it.
Sam2ParticipantI listened to music by my meal tonight. I saw that there are some Machmirim but the large majority of Poskim seems to say that there’s no reason to Assur it. (And there’s no reason at all to make music more similar to wine and meat than to bathing or laundry.)
Sam2ParticipantKozov: If Sam says something I can and will assume that you said something near the opposite.
I’m not sure whether it’s proper to make someone laugh during the nine days, but I definitely appreciated that one. I hope Health found the humor in that too. And that seems like a very good note to wish a good Shabbos and an easy/meaningful fast.
Sam2ParticipantRepharim: And I’m saying that yes you’re required to. Did you look up the T’shuvah that Chacham so nicely linked for everyone?
Sam2ParticipantMods, can you delete this thread or at least the OP. This is a gross, gross misrepresentation of the Halachah. It’s honestly making me sick re-reading it.
It certainly is incorrect. I’ll settle for closing it, though.
Sam2ParticipantOne the ball: Your whole post is wrong because the Poskim do toil with these (and all other) issues about how to treat them nowadays.
Looking at other words of Chazal:
‘Logic’ would dictate that the Mitzva of Netilas Yadayim before eating was only for the days of Chazal when hygiene was more of a problem.
Hygiene has nothing to do with Srach T’rumah or Tumas Yadayim.
‘Logic’ would would dictate that Hadlakos Neros for Shabos was only for the days of Chazal when they had no electricity.
The Poskim deal with this at length. Many hold that if all of the lights are on in the house and will stay on then lighting Shabbos candles and making a Bracha on them would constitute a Bracha L’vatala. That’s why women flicker the lights. To show that these candles are the main lights and therefore we can make a Bracha and that the electric lights around them are just additional lights that we are providing in addition to the candles.
And ‘logic’ would dictate that we don’t need 2 days Yom Tov anymore now that we are proficient in astronomy and know exactly when Rosh Chodesh is.
They were proficient in astronomy. That’s not the reason for 2 day Yomim Tovim. See Beitzah 4b.
If you have any other examples of things which Lish’ora should be different nowadays I would be happy to provide you with sources or explanations from the Poskim about why they aren’t different (or even sometimes why they are). But all of these issues are discussed. Halachah doesn’t just ignore reality.
Sam2ParticipantOhr Chodesh: There’s some lack of Ne’emanus there. I might not be able to pinpoint an Issur on it. But it’s certainly not Muttar to do. It’s similar to Mi Shepara.
PBA: I think we assume a contract is to people being M’shabeid themselves. Which should remove Asmachta issues.
Sam2ParticipantEnglishman: Wow. That is a gross misstatement of the Halachah. It doesn’t mean a custom that is just normally how he does things. It means a custom that is done for Halachic reasons (as Rashi points out that the Jewish shoelaces were more Tznius). And it is only if the Goy wants to force him to change because he wants the Jew to act like a Goy. If the Goy points a gun and says “I hate hats; take yours off” then it’s a move against hats in general and not Jews wearing hats. Therefore one would be obligated to stop wearing the hat and preserve his life. If, however, he says, “I don’t want to see Jews wearing hats anymore; take yours off” then one would be Chayav to be Moser Nefesh to keep the hat on.
Sam2Participantmw13: This was done for religious purposes. That’s the difference.
Sam2ParticipantOhr Chodesh: There is no such thing as a civil (but not legal) breach of contract in Halachah. Such an action would be Assur unless agreed to by both parties.
Sam2ParticipantOhr Chodesh: Nothing. He will come to it on his own. When someone is becoming Frum that will probably be the very last thing he gives up.
Sam2ParticipantShlishi: However, it would not in any way surprise me if the Rambam said that the whole story with Lot’s wife was either a Mashal, a dream, or a Nevua. After all, everyone is shocked when I point out to them that the Moreh says numerous times how Bilam’s donkey never actually spoke.
Sam2ParticipantShlishi: I honestly don’t know what the Rambam said. My point is he was a rationalist. So they would probably explain it somewhere along the same lines as he does.
Sam2ParticipantPBA: Those are mutually exclusive events. If you committed G’zeilah, then they weren’t lying. And if they were lying, then you didn’t steal.
Sam2ParticipantShlishi: Why don’t you see how the Rambam, Ralbag, or the Chizkuni explain it. There were Rishonim who were rationalists too, you know.
Sam2ParticipantChacham: You mean L’ma’an Yed’u Doroseichem? I think I saw that too. But the Tzitz Eliezer seems to add that to Tzitzis (sort of). But it does raise a problem. Because if R’ Shlomo Zalman’s Safek is correct then any moment you do not have Kavana for the Tzitzis you would be M’vatel an Asei of wearing a 4-cornered Begged without Tzitzis. And that just doesn’t make sense. Chazal have told us to not do a Mitzvah B’sheiv V’al Ta’aseh for much less than that. If that were true we would only wear Tzitzis for T’fillah, if even then.
Sam2ParticipantOhr Chodesh: It works both ways. Yes, there are far too many unnecessary divorces. But there are also too few necessary one.
July 27, 2012 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm in reply to: Hilchos Tisha b�Av & Tisha b�Av Shechal Lehiyos BeShabbos #887886Sam2ParticipantCA: He mentions that in the beginning (except for eating meat).
Sam2ParticipantChacham: Well, the Maskana is Tzarich Iyun. But everyone knows that you are allowed to wear Tzitzis in a bathroom. Thus, the idea that it might be Assur just doesn’t work.
(Interestingly enough, I found a T’shuva in the Tzitz Eliezer (somewhere towards the beginning of Chelek 21) that mentions that Tzitzis and Sukkah require a special type of Kavanah to be Yotzei the Mitzvah. It’s not just Kavanah, but you have to remember what the Torah said about them. Which would go very well with this R’ Shlomo Zalman. But it’s still impossible to say that it’s Assur to wear Tzitzis in a bathroom.)
July 27, 2012 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm in reply to: Yom Kippur/ Tisha Bav Warning! (no mussar enclosed) #897623Sam2Participantmw13: It helps, but too much of those can cause it also. I believe the experts say don’t drink more than 3 times your normal water intake. And if you drank a ton and start to feel thirstier every time you drink, do NOT drink more and call a doctor immediately.
Sam2ParticipantShlishi: Correct. You cannot force a divorce because of unhappiness. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t request that the marriage end and that if both parties agree to it that they can’t get divorced.
Sam2ParticipantYou’re right. The only answer is to have everyone learn the relevant sections in Yoreh De’ah before they get married.
Sam2ParticipantKozov: I have Talmidei Chachamim who I discuss things with. As usual, some agree with me, some disagree, and some say “eh”. And are you saying that if my family has worn a certain shirt for hundreds of years, but nowadays the world practice changed so that only women wear those shirts that it’s not Beged Isha? Of course it is. Beged Ish and Isha are determined by what is done in your society, even by the Goyim. That’s why it can change. That’s why almost all contemporary Poskim allow men to look in mirrors.
July 27, 2012 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm in reply to: Hilchos Tisha b�Av & Tisha b�Av Shechal Lehiyos BeShabbos #887884Sam2ParticipantI believe there is another major error in “other things we refrain from” 1e. He says uses a baby wipe isn’t considered washing. While this is true, most baby wipes contain some sort of soap/oil/lotion and thus would be absolutely Assur because it qualifies as anointing. A damp washcloth from just water, however, is completely permissible (so long as it’s not damp enough that your face or hands would actually be wet after touching it).
July 27, 2012 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm in reply to: Hilchos Tisha b�Av & Tisha b�Av Shechal Lehiyos BeShabbos #887883Sam2ParticipantI think there is a major error in the first 3a, unless I am very much mistaken( which is always possible). I was sure that one may not be with his wife on Shabbos because it’s really Tishah B’av and therefore D’varim Sheb’tzina would be Noheg.
Also, about the whole learning on Erev Tishah B’av thing. It’s a Machlokes Haposkim and not such a prevalent Minhag. I’m not sure why the author treated it almost as a given Halachah for everyone. Therefore, his reason for not having meat at a Siyum after Chatzos shouldn’t be relevant to the majority of people. However, one should never make a Siyum on a Friday afternoon after Chatzos because one shouldn’t have a festive meal on Friday afternoons that one wouldn’t normally have as it’s considered a lack of Kavod Shabbos.
Sam2ParticipantKozov: I highly doubt any Jews spoke English as their native language at the time. They were all expelled from the country. I don’t think there were any Jewish English translations until the 20th century. But I’m no expert in that. I’d have to look it up.
Sam2ParticipantGoq: Herpes Symplex (the one that many are worried will cause harm if Metzitzah B’peh is done) is carried by something like 96% of the population. It’s not to be confused with the “famous” type of herpes. This type is relatively harmless and we all are exposed to it and have immune defenses against it. What those against M’tzitzah B’peh point out is that a baby with a still-developing immune system and direct fluid contact (saliva on an open wound) might be susceptible to it and it could cause a fever (or C”V worse), which can have terrible effects on the baby’s development to have a fever that young.
Sam2ParticipantKozov: We were talking the way Health said.
Health: I did not post that because it’s the nine days. I would have posted that any day of the year on which I realized I was wrong. I had made an argument (I don’t remember, I think I was just saying that your point wasn’t Muchrach, not that it was necessarily wrong) that turned out not to be Emes because I found a Ra’aya against. So I had to retract that argument. Not doing so would have been a Bizayon of Torah.
Sam2ParticipantKozov: Men’s shirts have the buttons on the right side. Women’s have the buttons on the left. I was told that some Chassidish shirts have their buttons on the left side. Lich’orah that’s a problem.
Sam2ParticipantShlishi: I don’t think it’s up for us to judge levels of Gedolim. He was respected by R’ Shlomo Zalman, R’ Mordechai Elyahu, and R’ Ovadia (at the very least) as a Posek of their caliber. Who are any of us to comment either for or against him.
Sam2ParticipantRebRY: Good point. The medical circumcision sometimes does not do the Priah but I have heard that the clamps they use often accomplish the Priah anyway.
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