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Getzel: That Mishnah is about S’char in Olam Hazeh and Olam Habah. It’s not talking about physical protection. I’m not downplaying learning at all. I’m just curious if anyone has an actual Makor for this fairly common claim.
WoW: Are you sure your son thinks of it as a rejection? Or are you projecting that on him because that is how you would feel? Your line, “Oh, and you can wear anything you want (Ugh…)” is what bothered me the most. Because that sounded like your opinion on the clothing, and not what it means to your son. Maybe he just wants to be comfortable. It could be that to him the rejection of black and white is a rejection of Judaism. But it could be that it’s not. Don’t make the clothes a bigger deal than they have to be.
Getzel: I don’t know what what liberal means. I’m fairly conservative politically and, as I’ve said many times before on here, I don’t believe in Hashkafa. Being forced to defend “left-wing” Shittos because there are many here who attack them unfairly does not make me a “liberal”, which you clearly intended as an insult.
Getzel: There are those who support the Torah who still think that there is nothing wrong with forcing Chareidim to do some form of army or Sheirut Le’umi. We might not agree with them, but it’s still not the place for such statements. People who think that way learn Daf Yomi too.
WoW and Mom12: I am in no way trying to diminish your troubles or anything, but the priorities that sometimes leak through honestly disturb me. You both have sons who are going through extremely difficult times and who need support and help in many ways? Who cares what they wear??? Wouldn’t you rather they be attending a Yeshivah (or any program) and not wear black and white? Wouldn’t you rather they hung out with a crowd that respects Torah and learning even if they wear colored shirts? WoW, wouldn’t you rather he went to any program at all, regardless of what he wears? 1 hour of learning in a polo or t-shirt and jeans is worth more than an entire day of doing nothing or C”V worse, even if he does that in black and white.
I get that it’s very nice to have a community with an accepted mode of dress and being in that community can do some great things for the Yiddishkeit of the people in it. But these are your sons. Don’t lose sight of everything else in their lives solely because of the way they dress.
Why would you want to politicize and create dissension at what should be a joyous time of Achdus?
Just curious, but can anyone give me an actual Makor that the person learning is doing more to save lives than the soldier?
Yummy: Correct. We’re not even close. So Kal V’chomer we need more Hishtadlus to save ourselves.
Yummy Cupcake: Even the Dor Hamidbar and David Hamelech needed armies with them. We believe that T’fillos and Torah are the Ikar, but even our highest-level generations had armies as well.
CA: I don’t understand your position. You say we don’t rely on miracles but that we know that they’ll happen anyway? How does that make sense?
HaLeiVi: That would sort of make sense if you follow the reason, but certainly it wouldn’t apply to a guy in his first few years of Yeshivah.
Coffee addict: You are correct until a point, but surely you realize that there is a tremendous difference between a Nes Nigleh and a Nes Nistar. Now, everything related to the IDF so far have been Nisim G’luyim, but there is a scale. HBKH is much more willing (i.e. it takes far fewer Zechuyos from us or however these things work in HKBH’s Cheshbonos) to do Nisim the less G’luyim they are. Thus, the more people we have serving in the IDF the less Nigleh each Nes is and thus the more likely HKBH will perform it for us. Does that make any sense?
And all that aside, we are not supposed to rely on Nissim. Thus, having an army that can hold its own even without apparent Nissim probably has some value in its own right.
Haifagirl: Machlokes Rishonim.
My bad. I take back what I said. I misremembered the Mishnah. Thank you newhere and GAW. I apologize.
Ohr Chodesh: What about the concept that “Yeish Koach B’yad Chachamim La’akor Davar Min Hatorah Afilu B’kum V’asei” according to many Rishonim? And even according to the others they can still do it B’shev V’al Ta’aseh.
HaLeiVi: The proper response should have been “that’s only if he’s a Talmid Chacham”. Does it have to be gooey? I always assumed that it still applies even after it’s dried. Any Makor either way
(I was once eating somewhere and I noticed that somehow a little gravy had spilled on my clothes. To this day I am unsure if I dripped it myself without noticing or if one of the young children present had splattered it on me. I was worried about this Halachah. Someone beside me asked why I was so worried that I was going to run home and change. So I told him the Gemara and the Halachah. He told me, “It’s okay. No one will think you’re a Talmid Chacham because you’re not wearing a white shirt anyway.” I was offended, but I realized he was right. It was quite Ga’avadik of me to think of myself as a Talmid Chacham in that regard. But after thinking it over, I realized that because there are a fair few number of people who trust me for learning and for P’sak, this Din probably applies to me regardless of how much I actually know.)
Newhere: Really? Can you show where? Because that is seemingly against a Mishnah.
Shlishi: You’re right. Kim Li should only work with Hamitzi Meichaveiro. Apologies.
Because it’s a Mitzvah to.
Shlishi: So then the person should be able to say Kim Li like the Ramban and be Yoresh according to secular law. That would work even in Beis Din.
Choppy: Everyone knew (hoped) you were kidding. You still made it sound like a good thing though, which needed to be protested.
BTGuy: Almost everything in this topic is dependent upon Minhag because so many of these are new issues that never existed before, so it’s hard to have a set Halachah on it and many different people were Noheg many different ways. The point is to show our Aveilus on the Churban. Now, that doesn’t mean Assering everything we can think of and it doesn’t mean Mattering everything. It means you discuss with your Rav whatever would be best for you.
(I remember growing up not listening to any music at all during S’firah and the 3 weeks and I always thought it was an Issur Gamur. Then I remember being shocked when I saw the Nitei Gavriel, who is very far from a Meikil, bring down that the Minhag is to listen to slow songs, even with instruments. I had never even thought that such a Minhag could exist. But it was a great lesson for me in not assuming that what I had ever seen was the be-all end-all for Halachah.)
Choppy: I don’t know if that’s true; I’m not holding in this area. But you agree that it is Assur, right? So who cares?
ZK: L’chulei Alma not. A person wearing that would be Chayav Misah.
Choppy: Gezel Akum is still Gezel. That’s clear in the SH”A.
Rabbiofberlin: Any reason you brought me into this thread? I didn’t even say anything here. I don’t think I have ever stated a political position on this site (I try to avoid them in real life as well) and I’d like it to stay that way, thank you.
Shlishi: Correct. That is what P’shat in Dina D’malchusa (which is part of Choshen Mishpat) means. What do you think it means?
Shlishi: Nope. You are wrong. Dina D’malchusa says that all of Choshen Mishpat is dependent on there not being a different law of the land (though I could definitely see the claim that Yerusha of a Bechor is Issur V’heter, not Mamonos).
Choppy: Then the Yetzer Hara would like to thank you because every cent you’ve ever made based on that fake diploma is Gezel Gamur.
Chrome. Not even close. The only issue is that flash player crashes a lot if you watch too much video, but you just refresh it and it gets right back up.
Shlishi: Listening to Dina D’malchusa in Dinei Mamonos is part of Halacha. Also, writing a will to divide assets differently is within Halacha as well.
Choppy: That’s an explicit Mishnah in Bechoros, I believe. A C-section is a Bechor Lenachalah but not for Pidyon. Two different requirements. One needs to be Peter Rechem, the other just needs to be the first viable child so long as it’s a son.
Choppy: Yes. but like Akuperma said, usually daughters and the wife get everything (well, the daughters if they aren’t married yet).
Choppy: I know that. You missed (or ignored) my point.
YW Band: Any source for having to wait until the next morning for music? (Not having meat and wine that night is strange enough, but at least that is brought down and seems to be accepted practice). And it’s not a Kula, it’s more Chamur than most years. Usually you can do all of these things at Chatzos of Yud. This year you need to wait until (at least) Tzeis of Yud.
Choppy: He clearly meant neither. (Well, some people call him the Rov, but they don’t mean Rav Velvel.)
Mod 42: I’ve thought about that for a long time, and I think I know where that Minhag comes from. The Halacha is technically that one should (Min Hamuvchar, if someone’s tired or has to get something or whatever there are three levels) wait until Kedusha to take their three steps forward. Also, Nekadesh was originally an introductory line by the Chazzan (at some point the Minhag changed to make it part of Kedusha). Thus, people would take their three steps forward right into Kadosh Kadosh Kadosh.
Oomis: The left, right, and forward thing is I believe mentioned in Sefer Chassidim (but I could be mistaken, he might only mention that you need to bow while taking 3 steps back). And it’s clear in the Shulchan Aruch that you need to take 3 steps forward before starting Shmoneh Esrei. My point was that it has to be before you start, not during the words “Hashem D’fasai Tiftach”.
BaalHabooze: I once had a Rebbe who taught us that Unlce Moishy’s “Hashem is here, Hashem is there…” song is a violation of the Ikkar of the incorporeality of HKBH.
Every Rebbe is different, every student is different, and every relationship is different. We should trust that Rebbeim know what the proper boundaries for each student and each relationship are. Trying to establish generalizations only inhibits the teacher’s ability to connect with each student in a way that’s necessary for them.
Gefen: The Chofetz Chaim was on his way to a city to speak and he met a fellow Jew on the train. he asked the other fellow why he was traveling. The guy said that he was going to hear the holy Chofetz Chaim and he continued to praise the Chofetz Chaim. This made the Chofetz Chaim uncomfortable so he put himself down. The other guy got very upset at this seeming breach of Kavod for the Chofetz Chaim so he hit the Chofetz Chaim and the Chofetz Chaim was forced to deliver his Drasha with a black eye. That’s the story they tell, anyway. I’m sure a more accurate version is written down somewhere, possibly in the Sefer Chofetz Chaim itself.
It probably depends on the Rebbe and on the Talmid. Choppy is right. There’s no reason not to ask.
Loyal Jew: When was it ever not okay?
Yes, but the issue is not how musical it sounds but rather whether it has the Halachic status of Zimra B’manah or Zimra B’puma.
Avi K: That does not seem to be what the majority of Poskim hold. And while many are Machmir, Rav Moshe is Meikil and he is certainly enough for anyone to rely upon in America in just about any issue.
Choppy: See the second post on this thread. Yitay is 100% correct.
MZ: I’ve been thinking. If you have Bar Ilan look up the word “Chashish” in the Igros (it was spelled Malei with a Yud). Rav Moshe gives 4 reasons to Assur, if I recall correctly.
QFW: Really?? You’re quoting a distorted Shittah that Joseph brought up in a thread a few months back that Yitay already showed was pure Giluy Ponim Shelo K’halacha?
Choppy: Da’as Torah has to come from Torah. Show a source in Torah please and then I’ll believe you. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. Of course things can hurt a person’s Neshama. And those that can are pointed out in the Halachic and Kabbalistic Sefarim. If it’s not in them, then it’s not true.
Csar: I looked up the Meshech Chochmah (12:15, by the way). He does say what you claim he says. I don’t know how though. It’s against the Gemara’s answer. However, his point is still true.
I think we’re arguing at each other here and not making different points. No one claims (I hope) that we are celebrating military victories because it shows our strength. Rather, we celebrate the victories because they usually mean that we are now free to live our lives and serve Hashem without people stopping us. We are not celebrating the victory. Rather, we celebrate the outcome of the victory. But, in essence, that’s what celebrating the victory means in the first place.
Shopping: I think the Maccabeats are straight voices (I don’t know if that changes anything). They don’t computerize it.
Choppy: Thank you so much for a made-up spiritual assessment that only you seem qualified to make.
Nechomah: That’s just not true. In fact, I think it’s against a B’feirush Mechaber. It’s somewhere in one of the Simanim on fasting that you don’t have to be Mashlim a Ta’anis Tzibbur if you have to eat for whatever reason but you do have to be Mashlim a Ta’anis Yachid that you accepted upon yourself.
42: What’s that from? It’s a good Sikkum but I don’t like the part in there about women not fasting not being done without direction of a Rav. It ignores the fact that there is a very strong Minhag that is still prevalent in many places for women not to fast the minor fasts. It might be against the Shulchan Aruch, but this Minhag is older than that and therefore isn’t overriden by the SH”A.
Rav Moshe says it’s Assur.